UK Politics Thread VII: Wake me DUP inside [can't wake UUP]

[Bakery Hill]

Tbf not always. I don't think Siouxise or the Sex Pistols were Nazis for instance.

Nazism wasn't the in-thing in the sixties, but I can't comment on the Sex Pistols.

I'm referencing the mid 70s here but what do you mean?

[Ostroeuropa]

Tbf not always. I don't think Siouxise or the Sex Pistols were Nazis for instance.

Nazism wasn't the in-thing in the sixties, but I can't comment on the Sex Pistols.

Nazism isn't the in-thing now either lol.
Even white supremacists think they're chumps. It's just that a substantial portion of progressive pundits and figures of authority routinely go into hysterics about people disagreeing with or criticizing their narrow view of racism and sexism and throw out nazi as a term of abuse, but from positions of authority that lend the accusation superficial credibility. If you need evidence of how ridiculous most of it is, check out their attempt to say the MRM is white supremacist and in league with Nazis.

[Irona]

I don’t buy this narrative. The election went from the ‘unwinnable’ one right up to Election Day, and then it became the unloseable one the day after. It ignores the massive poll lead of the Tories and massive success of labours campaign and message. The manifesto was a huge success, it wasn’t a hinderance at all.

This analysis is fine so long as you view the campaign in a vacuum, and the rise from expected electoral wipeout as something that can be replicated from the higher base and translate to certain crushing victory next time.

Why was the poll rating so low before? Systematically losing the media battle for years previously. If the Tories had a competent leader and hadn't been so massively complacent they would have won by 100+ seats. Next election the Conservatives will be prepared and turn up for the online battle. Labour will not fight the next election with nearly so open a goal.

We need to go further, and we have to squeeze the limits of legality until the pips squeak.

You can’t simultaneously claim May was the primary reason for labour doing well, and then also claim Corbyn was responsible for May doing well before the election. Anything Corbyn does well is the Tories, and anything the Tories do well is actually Corbyn. It’s ridiculous

[Ostroeuropa]

This analysis is fine so long as you view the campaign in a vacuum, and the rise from expected electoral wipeout as something that can be replicated from the higher base and translate to certain crushing victory next time.

Why was the poll rating so low before? Systematically losing the media battle for years previously. If the Tories had a competent leader and hadn't been so massively complacent they would have won by 100+ seats. Next election the Conservatives will be prepared and turn up for the online battle. Labour will not fight the next election with nearly so open a goal.

We need to go further, and we have to squeeze the limits of legality until the pips squeak.

You can’t simultaneously claim May was the primary reason for labour doing well, and then also claim Corbyn was responsible for May doing well before the election. Anything Corbyn does well is the Tories, and anything the Tories do well is actually Corbyn. It’s ridiculous

That's not ridiculous, it's the status quo for politics. Very few people approve of their choices and mostly go for the least terrible one.

[Albrenia]

This analysis is fine so long as you view the campaign in a vacuum, and the rise from expected electoral wipeout as something that can be replicated from the higher base and translate to certain crushing victory next time.

Why was the poll rating so low before? Systematically losing the media battle for years previously. If the Tories had a competent leader and hadn't been so massively complacent they would have won by 100+ seats. Next election the Conservatives will be prepared and turn up for the online battle. Labour will not fight the next election with nearly so open a goal.

We need to go further, and we have to squeeze the limits of legality until the pips squeak.

You can’t simultaneously claim May was the primary reason for labour doing well, and then also claim Corbyn was responsible for May doing well before the election. Anything Corbyn does well is the Tories, and anything the Tories do well is actually Corbyn. It’s ridiculous

Maybe they both sucked really bad, but one just sucked slightly more so their opponent won?

[Dumb Ideologies]

If this isn't a reason to get rid of the SNP then I don't know what is. The bloody Judge and Prosecutor simply said that 'Context doesn't matter' also, fuck the 'Hate crimes representative' and his bloody job.

This country is a bloody joke.

Being "edgy", like taking videos where you've trained your dog to give a Nazi salute when you give grossly antisemitic statements as triggers, shouldn't be considered a defence.
"Ironic Nazism" is just a way of flirting with Nazism when you're not comfy with just admitting you're a fucking Nazi.

There's also traversing the long-explored fertile ground of recontextualising the horrific into the everyday and trivial for "gap" humour that mocks the ideas being expressed, as was often done during the war and has frequently been done by satirists since (was Chris Morris' Brass Eye, by mocking the media hysteria over paedophila in any way pro-paedophile in intent, for example?)

It's not that simple. Clearly this guy isn't a comedy genius or a master of subtlety (he is just "some guy" rather than a professional, after all), and with the absence of an explicit disclaimer it is possible to take a reading like your own.

But the intent of the video is far from clearly in the direction that you're reading it, since a great number of people who aren't Nazis have watched it and found it not offensive and not remotely pro-Nazi, tending towards either slight mockery or neutrality.

This is why the legal decision is incorrect. It takes one particular, minority, reading of the case and then constructs an "any reasonable person" rationale for punishment when, clearly, the vast majority of reasonable people aren't agreeing.

[Irona]

You can’t simultaneously claim May was the primary reason for labour doing well, and then also claim Corbyn was responsible for May doing well before the election. Anything Corbyn does well is the Tories, and anything the Tories do well is actually Corbyn. It’s ridiculous

Maybe they both sucked really bad, but one just sucked slightly more so their opponent won?

Or maybe politics is more complicated than that? Perhaps both of them have strengths and weaknesses that explain what happened?

[Imperializt Russia]

Nazism wasn't the in-thing in the sixties, but I can't comment on the Sex Pistols.

I'm referencing the mid 70s here but what do you mean?

I don't know anything about the Sex Pistols except they were an influential group. As could be guessed by me getting the decade wrong.

[Dumb Ideologies]

This thread has ruined me.

Walking around town on my lunch and misread the advertising on the side of a "Sightseeing Tours" coach as "Shitposting Tories".

[Imperializt Russia]

This thread has ruined me.

Walking around town on my lunch and misread the advertising on the side of a "Sightseeing Tours" coach as "Shitposting Tories".

Same core demographic tbh.

[Taihei Tengoku]

ICM found people thought Theresa May had responded well to the Salisbury poisoning by 51% to 22%, and thought Jeremy Corbyn had responded badly by 42% to 23%.

The same 22/23 it look like, hyper partisan Labourites seem to be the only ones thinking Corbyn responded well, and the only ones thinking May responded poorly.

It's almost like media bias is a thing...

Media bias would be saying he isn't a Russian asset, which Corbyn actually has been since the eighties.

[Irona]

It's almost like media bias is a thing...

Media bias would be saying he isn't a Russian asset, which Corbyn actually has been since the eighties.

Bad bait is bad

[Ifreann]

Excuse the cross-post (please, or I'll be a sad sad puppycat)

Citing yourself will make the palms of your hands go hairy.

The biggest shame of the Cambridge Analytics "Scandal" is that we didn't think of it first and do it much better

They say if your enemy has a good idea, steal it.

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Even just how they got their data in the first place is a pretty flagrant Data Protection Act violation.

Exactly. Saying ‘we should have thought of it first’ doesn’t really work when it’s illegal.

What if we just did the non-illegal bits?

[Vassenor]

It's almost like media bias is a thing...

Media bias would be saying he isn't a Russian asset, which Corbyn actually has been since the eighties.

Right which is why the Conservatives are the ones being bankrolled by the Russian oligarchs.

[Proctopeo]

Media bias would be saying he isn't a Russian asset, which Corbyn actually has been since the eighties.

Right which is why the Conservatives are the ones being bankrolled by the Russian oligarchs.

They're playing on another level, those Russians.

[Mujahidah]

Media bias would be saying he isn't a Russian asset, which Corbyn actually has been since the eighties.

Right which is why the Conservatives are the ones being bankrolled by the Russian oligarchs.

Corbyn literally wants the UK out of NATO. Of that isn't pro Russia I don't know what fucking is anymore.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Right which is why the Conservatives are the ones being bankrolled by the Russian oligarchs.

They're playing on another level, those Russians.

"Haha, Vladimir, this time I have outfoxed you and most definitely chosen the non-Russian candidate"

*outer layer is shed, vodka-swilling bear-man emerges from inner layer like a Russian doll*

[screams in democracy]

[Proctopeo]

They're playing on another level, those Russians.

"Haha, Vladimir, this time I have outfoxed you and most definitely chosen the non-Russian candidate"

*outer layer is shed, vodka-swilling bear-man emerges from inner layer like a Russian doll*

[screams in democracy]

If everyone is Russian puppet, then Russia always win.

[Ifreann]

They're playing on another level, those Russians.

"Haha, Vladimir, this time I have outfoxed you and most definitely chosen the non-Russian candidate"

*outer layer is shed, vodka-swilling bear-man emerges from inner layer like a Russian doll*

[screams in democracy]

New British national anthem.

[Souseiseki]

44 african nations have agreed to a draft agreement establishing a free trade area. half of the nations also agreed to implement freedom of movement between them. the african union seems to be making great steps fowards,

why this is relevant to UK politics is left as an exercise to the reader.

[Irona]

Right which is why the Conservatives are the ones being bankrolled by the Russian oligarchs.

Corbyn literally wants the UK out of NATO. Of that isn't pro Russia I don't know what fucking is anymore.

That’s not really true. Corbyn said he won’t push to leave NATO of elected Prime Minister. Not a very good Russian asset if he is one

[Mujahidah]

Corbyn literally wants the UK out of NATO. Of that isn't pro Russia I don't know what fucking is anymore.

That’s not really true. Corbyn said he won’t push to leave NATO of elected Prime Minister. Not a very good Russian asset if he is one

Still supports it. Also tried to blame Russian aggression in Ukraine on NATO. Man clearly doesn't side with his own country very often.

[Thermodolia]

Corbyn literally wants the UK out of NATO. Of that isn't pro Russia I don't know what fucking is anymore.

That’s not really true. Corbyn said he won’t push to leave NATO of elected Prime Minister. Not a very good Russian asset if he is one

Only because his own part would murder him in his sleep if he tried

[Irona]

That’s not really true. Corbyn said he won’t push to leave NATO of elected Prime Minister. Not a very good Russian asset if he is one

Still supports it. Also tried to blame Russian aggression in Ukraine on NATO. Man clearly doesn't side with his own country very often.

I never said he didn’t, I’m just pointing out the ‘Corbyn would pull the UK out of NATO’ narrative is hyperbolic trash.

[Taihei Tengoku]

Media bias would be saying he isn't a Russian asset, which Corbyn actually has been since the eighties.

Right which is why the Conservatives are the ones being bankrolled by the Russian oligarchs.

To continue sanctions on the Russians and not unilaterally disarm?