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Postby Vassenor » Sun Nov 01, 2020 7:10 am

Glorious Hong Kong wrote:Just wanted to share this piece from back in April:

Trump administration designates Russian white supremacist group a terrorist organization

Not only has Trump repeatedly condemned white supremacy, his administration has taken concrete steps to combat it. So will the fakers at BBC, CNN, MSNBC, Al Jazeera, CNA, et al. stop fucking lying already? Jfc.


OK, so what about domestic white supremacy?
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Nov 01, 2020 7:13 am

Glorious Hong Kong wrote:Just wanted to share this piece from back in April:

Trump administration designates Russian white supremacist group a terrorist organization

Not only has Trump repeatedly condemned white supremacy, his administration has taken concrete steps to combat it. So will the fakers at BBC, CNN, MSNBC, Al Jazeera, CNA, et al. stop fucking lying already? Jfc.


He took steps against it in Russia while refusing to renounce david duke's endorsement at home.

Never forget, "proud boys stand back and stand by." His whole campaign has basically been a campaign of racism.
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Postby Eukaryotic Cells » Sun Nov 01, 2020 7:22 am

Vassenor wrote:
Glorious Hong Kong wrote:Just wanted to share this piece from back in April:

Trump administration designates Russian white supremacist group a terrorist organization

Not only has Trump repeatedly condemned white supremacy, his administration has taken concrete steps to combat it. So will the fakers at BBC, CNN, MSNBC, Al Jazeera, CNA, et al. stop fucking lying already? Jfc.


OK, so what about domestic white supremacy?

He certainly plays footsie with them, but in general knows how to skirt the line.

Consider this exchange from an interview with Jake Tapper in February 2016:

Tapper: I want to ask you about the Anti-Defamation League, which this week called on you to publicly condemn unequivocally the racism of former KKK grand wizard David Duke, who recently said that voting against you at this point would be treason to your heritage. Will you unequivocally condemn David Duke and say that you don’t want his vote or that of other white supremacists in this election?

Trump: Well, just so you understand, I don’t know anything about David Duke. OK? I don’t know anything about what you’re even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists. So, I don’t know.


I don't think he's forgetful or ignorant enough to not know who David Duke is. According to him, he withdrew from the 2000 Presidential campaign because of the Reform Party's association with Mr. Duke.

From his withdrawal statement:

Now I understand that David Duke has decided to join the Reform Party to support the candidacy of Pat Buchanan. So the Reform Party now includes a Klansman, - Mr. Duke, a Neo-Nazi - Mr. Buchanan, and a Communist - Ms. Fulani. This is not company I wish to keep.

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Postby Eukaryotic Cells » Sun Nov 01, 2020 7:26 am

Eukaryotic Cells wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
OK, so what about domestic white supremacy?

He certainly plays footsie with them, but in general knows how to skirt the line.

Consider this exchange from an interview with Jake Tapper in February 2016:

Tapper: I want to ask you about the Anti-Defamation League, which this week called on you to publicly condemn unequivocally the racism of former KKK grand wizard David Duke, who recently said that voting against you at this point would be treason to your heritage. Will you unequivocally condemn David Duke and say that you don’t want his vote or that of other white supremacists in this election?

Trump: Well, just so you understand, I don’t know anything about David Duke. OK? I don’t know anything about what you’re even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists. So, I don’t know.


I don't think he's forgetful or ignorant enough to not know who David Duke is. According to him, he withdrew from the 2000 Presidential campaign because of the Reform Party's association with Mr. Duke.

From his withdrawal statement:

Now I understand that David Duke has decided to join the Reform Party to support the candidacy of Pat Buchanan. So the Reform Party now includes a Klansman, - Mr. Duke, a Neo-Nazi - Mr. Buchanan, and a Communist - Ms. Fulani. This is not company I wish to keep.

Now, I don't think Trump is a white supremacist himself.

Consider this woke shit he said during a call with Bob Woodward in June:

Woodward: Do you think there is systematic or institutional racism in this country?

Trump: Well, I think there is everywhere. I think probably less here than most places or less here than many places.

Woodward: OK, but is it here? In a way that it has an impact on people's lives?

Trump: I think it is, and it's unfortunate, but I think it is.


Now, I'm not sure that he would yell that out to the crowd at one of his rallies, but this is a side of Trump we often don't see.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Nov 01, 2020 7:39 am

Eukaryotic Cells wrote:
Eukaryotic Cells wrote:He certainly plays footsie with them, but in general knows how to skirt the line.

Consider this exchange from an interview with Jake Tapper in February 2016:



I don't think he's forgetful or ignorant enough to not know who David Duke is. According to him, he withdrew from the 2000 Presidential campaign because of the Reform Party's association with Mr. Duke.

From his withdrawal statement:


Now, I don't think Trump is a white supremacist himself.

Consider this woke shit he said during a call with Bob Woodward in June:

Woodward: Do you think there is systematic or institutional racism in this country?

Trump: Well, I think there is everywhere. I think probably less here than most places or less here than many places.

Woodward: OK, but is it here? In a way that it has an impact on people's lives?

Trump: I think it is, and it's unfortunate, but I think it is.


Now, I'm not sure that he would yell that out to the crowd at one of his rallies, but this is a side of Trump we often don't see.


Trump's the kind of guy to admit that inequality exists before adding "but that's okay because I am the superior being. Bow down, I am inevitable."
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Postby Eukaryotic Cells » Sun Nov 01, 2020 7:42 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Eukaryotic Cells wrote:Now, I don't think Trump is a white supremacist himself.

Consider this woke shit he said during a call with Bob Woodward in June:



Now, I'm not sure that he would yell that out to the crowd at one of his rallies, but this is a side of Trump we often don't see.


Trump's the kind of guy to admit that inequality exists before adding "but that's okay because I am the superior being. Bow down, I am inevitable."

Despite having a reputation as a loose cannon who doesn't think before he speaks, I think that a lot of what he says in public is calculated to have a specific political impact.

I'd be surprised if he actually believes half of the crap that he says.

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Nov 01, 2020 7:44 am

Eukaryotic Cells wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Trump's the kind of guy to admit that inequality exists before adding "but that's okay because I am the superior being. Bow down, I am inevitable."

Despite having a reputation as a loose cannon who doesn't think before he speaks, I think that a lot of what he says in public is calculated to have a specific political impact.

I'd be surprised if he actually believes half of the crap that he says.


I'm sure he doesn't. We know he's shocked by what evangelicals believe, suggesting he is not a religious man, and he was pro abortion till he ran as a republican. The guy also used illegal immigrant labor for years despite allegedly being against illegal immigration and has praised China for its ruthless totalitarianism while claiming to be against them. Trump at day's end is a crooked millionaire who likes to fuck other people's wives and do drugs and troll people he doesn't respect. There is not an ounce of values in that guy.
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Postby Aclion » Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:03 am

Vassenor wrote:
Glorious Hong Kong wrote:Just wanted to share this piece from back in April:

Trump administration designates Russian white supremacist group a terrorist organization

Not only has Trump repeatedly condemned white supremacy, his administration has taken concrete steps to combat it. So will the fakers at BBC, CNN, MSNBC, Al Jazeera, CNA, et al. stop fucking lying already? Jfc.


OK, so what about domestic white supremacy?

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/02/trump ... remacists/

In one voice, our nation must condemn racism, bigotry, and white supremacy. These sinister ideologies must be defeated. Hate has no place in America.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:18 am

Aclion wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
OK, so what about domestic white supremacy?

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/02/trump ... remacists/

In one voice, our nation must condemn racism, bigotry, and white supremacy. These sinister ideologies must be defeated. Hate has no place in America.


Anyone who has to be shoved into condemning white supremacy clearly either is trying to win their votes or actively supports them.

It takes Trump a week and alot of arguing before he reluctantly condemns white supremacy.
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Postby Eukaryotic Cells » Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:19 am

Aclion wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
OK, so what about domestic white supremacy?

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/02/trump ... remacists/

In one voice, our nation must condemn racism, bigotry, and white supremacy. These sinister ideologies must be defeated. Hate has no place in America.

To my mind, the times he's condemned it doesn't nullify all of the times he's dithered, demurred, and dog whistled. My bar for a President isn't quite that low.

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Postby Giovenith » Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:47 am

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This morning, we received more than 30 pages of material from the FBI illustrating a remarkable disparity in its treatment of its employees: Five employees, the documents show, have been disciplined for private communications using government devices in which they have criticized President Trump. But none, at least not since 2011, has been disciplined for similar conduct with respect to presidential candidates Hillary Clinton or Mitt Romney, or President Barack Obama—or for praising Trump.

It’s not because politically-loaded communications with respect to those political figures have not taken place among agents and other employees. At least with respect to enthusiasm for Trump and opposition to Clinton four years ago, the Justice Department inspector general has found communications that arguably imply similar bias by people working on campaign-related investigations

The verdict is now in, at least for the last four major party presidential candidates, one of whom served as president of the United States for eight full years. FBI employees who voiced political sentiments in favor of or opposed to Clinton, Obama and Romney all did not face consequences—nor did those who praised Trump. Those who criticize the current president appear to be the only people subject to discipline.

Newly Released FBI Documents Show Troubling Double Standard on Political Speech


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Postby Aclion » Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:49 am

Yeah I know, because its never actually been about white supremacy.
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Postby Eukaryotic Cells » Sun Nov 01, 2020 11:09 am

In general, Trump's playbook on this is as follows:

1) Get asked to condemn some radical group. Either say "I don't know who that is" or "Well this other group is also bad".

2) Radicals celebrate, while the media freaks out. If the blowback is severe enough, release a damage control statement. Accuse the media of bias.

3) Rinse and repeat.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:22 pm

Aclion wrote:Yeah I know, because its never actually been about white supremacy.


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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:24 pm

Why is Donald Trump's COVID19 propagandist on Russia Today of all stations? Is he an useful idiot for the Main Intelligence Directorate?
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Sun Nov 01, 2020 2:56 pm

Aclion wrote:Yeah I know, because its never actually been about white supremacy.

If you say “I condemn this group”, but at another time you say “there is nothing wrong with the group and when I condemn them, it’s just to look good”, you haven’t actually condemned anything. Trump keeps pandering to white supremacists, but somehow when he is forced to read a condemnation off a telepropmter we are supposed to believe him?

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Postby Rusozak » Sun Nov 01, 2020 3:06 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Why is Donald Trump's COVID19 propagandist on Russia Today of all stations? Is he an useful idiot for the Main Intelligence Directorate?


RT is just for outside Russia, is it not? Like, Russians in Russia don't watch it? It would be a rather devious strategy to feed dangerous false information to citizens of rival nations whilst keeping your own people safe.
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Sun Nov 01, 2020 3:15 pm

Rusozak wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Why is Donald Trump's COVID19 propagandist on Russia Today of all stations? Is he an useful idiot for the Main Intelligence Directorate?


RT is just for outside Russia, is it not? Like, Russians in Russia don't watch it? It would be a rather devious strategy to feed dangerous false information to citizens of rival nations whilst keeping your own people safe.


RT is the state-run propaganda station for the Kremlin, IIRC.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Nov 01, 2020 3:21 pm

Rusozak wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Why is Donald Trump's COVID19 propagandist on Russia Today of all stations? Is he an useful idiot for the Main Intelligence Directorate?


RT is just for outside Russia, is it not? Like, Russians in Russia don't watch it? It would be a rather devious strategy to feed dangerous false information to citizens of rival nations whilst keeping your own people safe.

As said before this is like members of JFK's administration going on TASS to denounce the federal handling of the Cuban Missile Crisis. The fuck does he think he's doing?
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Postby Diahon » Sun Nov 01, 2020 3:39 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Rusozak wrote:
RT is just for outside Russia, is it not? Like, Russians in Russia don't watch it? It would be a rather devious strategy to feed dangerous false information to citizens of rival nations whilst keeping your own people safe.

As said before this is like members of JFK's administration going on TASS to denounce the federal handling of the Cuban Missile Crisis. The fuck does he think he's doing?


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Postby The Emerald Legion » Sun Nov 01, 2020 3:49 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Glorious Hong Kong wrote:Just wanted to share this piece from back in April:

Trump administration designates Russian white supremacist group a terrorist organization

Not only has Trump repeatedly condemned white supremacy, his administration has taken concrete steps to combat it. So will the fakers at BBC, CNN, MSNBC, Al Jazeera, CNA, et al. stop fucking lying already? Jfc.


He took steps against it in Russia while refusing to renounce david duke's endorsement at home.

Never forget, "proud boys stand back and stand by." His whole campaign has basically been a campaign of racism.


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Postby Diahon » Sun Nov 01, 2020 3:51 pm

trump has any number of ways to rig the election in his favor, or at least cast doubt when he loses

the democratic opposition keeps on insisting that the only way to get rid of trump is through the ballot, and if he wins again, well, grit your teeth till 2024... or 2028... or 2032... or till every last non-trump is dead and trump's abysmal heart is filled to his glee with a wasteland of dead

so don't wait for him to declare himself the winner before all the votes are counted, or wait for the traditional lameduck period before joe biden is sworn in

don't even wait for him to actually win the majority of the states or, god forbid, the vote

rise up, gather in dc, and make fucking sure you oust donald trump no matter what -- deprive him of the power to kill you all, and the voice to agitate for more power to kill you all -- before he kills you all

either he has no way to kill you all, or he kills you all to not even begin to sate the abyss of malice and murder that is him

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Postby Diahon » Sun Nov 01, 2020 3:53 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
He took steps against it in Russia while refusing to renounce david duke's endorsement at home.

Never forget, "proud boys stand back and stand by." His whole campaign has basically been a campaign of racism.


Got more fake news you've bought into?


if you're here to apologize for one thing he's done since he went down that escalator and dragged the world with him, better apologize for all of them, just to show trump you really love what he gives you before he leaves you dead, too

you have five years of murderously batshit lunacy to apologize for
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Postby Aclion » Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:29 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:


Anyone who has to be shoved into condemning white supremacy clearly either is trying to win their votes or actively supports them.

It takes Trump a week and alot of arguing before he reluctantly condemns white supremacy.
The demand that Trump continuously condemn white supremacy is entirely an attempt to smear him by suggesting that he's done something that would make it nessicarry for him to do so. Trump has repeatedly condemned it, often unprompted, he'll the statement i posted is an example of such a condemnation.
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