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Postby Valrifell » Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:26 am

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Greater Miami Shores wrote:I am going to post this post here of Biden with a video link and later on today on the related election thread.

Even Joe Biden, once said a US Supreme Court nominee could be confirmed a few months before an election, talk about hypocrisy, lol.

He also said if the nominee were chosen with the advice and not merely the consent of the Senate as the constitution requires.

GMS: Well the majority of the 53 Republican senators, probably 50 or 51 agree with President Trump s nominee right now as the US constitution allows him too. Biden also said other strong words why it should happen.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/m ... mpaign=582


Counter point: There's even more words from Republicans in the past on why it shouldn't happen. The hypocrisy is going both ways.


Counter counter point: all those talking points are with regards to "months" out from the election where our situation can best be described as "month"
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Postby Rusozak » Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:28 am

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Counter point: There's even more words from Republicans in the past on why it shouldn't happen. The hypocrisy is going both ways.


Counter counter point: all those talking points are with regards to "months" out from the election where our situation can best be described as "month"


I wouldn't call that a counter point. It just makes the Republican argument that much more ridiculous.
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:30 am

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Valrifell wrote:
Counter counter point: all those talking points are with regards to "months" out from the election where our situation can best be described as "month"


I wouldn't call that a counter point. It just makes the Republican argument that much more ridiculous.


Yes, but I was keeping with the theme of counter points.

The fact is that denying a president a nomination hearing nine months prior to an election is weird, not unheard of, but weird. Whereas nominating a justice so close to the election would literally be without precedent. Getting a justice nominated and confirmed in the days leading up to the election would also be rare, since it hasn't happened since before Truman. That is, the standard procedure for a justice takes about 50 days from vacant seat to confirmation.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:31 am

Rusozak wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:I am going to post this post here of Biden with a video link and later on today on the related election thread.

Even Joe Biden, once said a US Supreme Court nominee could be confirmed a few months before an election, talk about hypocrisy, lol.

He also said if the nominee were chosen with the advice and not merely the consent of the Senate as the constitution requires.

GMS: Well the majority of the 53 Republican senators, probably 50 or 51 agree with President Trump s nominee right now as the US constitution allows him too. Biden also said other strong words why it should happen.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/m ... mpaign=582


Counter point: There's even more words from Republicans in the past on why it shouldn't happen. The hypocrisy is going both ways.


That's my favorite thing about this situation. The GOP are now using Democratic talking points from 2016, and the Democrats are using Republican talking points from 2016 :lol: which one of you used the Uno reverse card dammit
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Postby Atheris » Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:33 am

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Rusozak wrote:
Counter point: There's even more words from Republicans in the past on why it shouldn't happen. The hypocrisy is going both ways.


That's my favorite thing about this situation. The GOP are now using Democratic talking points from 2016, and the Democrats are using Republican talking points from 2016 :lol: which one of you used the Uno reverse card dammit

It's like the Sith and the Jedi being the exact same thing in Star Wars, but they always point at one another and go "b-b-b-b-b-b-but they're the bad guys!!!!!!".

Except this time, we don't have a benevolent dictatorship being established to destroy a child-kidnapping mind-controlling leader-worshipping deep state theocracy.

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Postby Valrifell » Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:34 am

Atheris wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
That's my favorite thing about this situation. The GOP are now using Democratic talking points from 2016, and the Democrats are using Republican talking points from 2016 :lol: which one of you used the Uno reverse card dammit

It's like the Sith and the Jedi being the exact same thing in Star Wars, but they always point at one another and go "b-b-b-b-b-b-but they're the bad guys!!!!!!".

Except this time, we don't have a benevolent dictatorship being established to destroy a child-kidnapping mind-controlling leader-worshipping deep state theocracy.


Isn't that what QAnon believes?
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:34 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Rusozak wrote:
Counter point: There's even more words from Republicans in the past on why it shouldn't happen. The hypocrisy is going both ways.


That's my favorite thing about this situation. The GOP are now using Democratic talking points from 2016, and the Democrats are using Republican talking points from 2016 :lol: which one of you used the Uno reverse card dammit


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Postby Eukaryotic Cells » Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:34 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Rusozak wrote:
Counter point: There's even more words from Republicans in the past on why it shouldn't happen. The hypocrisy is going both ways.


That's my favorite thing about this situation. The GOP are now using Democratic talking points from 2016, and the Democrats are using Republican talking points from 2016 :lol: which one of you used the Uno reverse card dammit

It ultimately all boils down to "my side should win, blahblahblahblahblah".

The Democrats are going to pack the courts. Then the GOP will counter-pack. Hooray politics!

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Postby Atheris » Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:35 am

Valrifell wrote:
Atheris wrote:It's like the Sith and the Jedi being the exact same thing in Star Wars, but they always point at one another and go "b-b-b-b-b-b-but they're the bad guys!!!!!!".

Except this time, we don't have a benevolent dictatorship being established to destroy a child-kidnapping mind-controlling leader-worshipping deep state theocracy.


Isn't that what QAnon believes?

...Hell, maybe. I don't pay attention to those nutters. Their combined IQ is the atomic number of helium.
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Postby -Astoria- » Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:37 am

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Valrifell wrote:
Isn't that what QAnon believes?

...Hell, maybe. I don't pay attention to those nutters. Their combined IQ is the atomic number of helium.

More like hydrogen.
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Postby Atheris » Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:38 am

-Astoria- wrote:
Atheris wrote:...Hell, maybe. I don't pay attention to those nutters. Their combined IQ is the atomic number of helium.

More like hydrogen.

Nah. To use a computer you have to have at least some degree of intelligence.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:43 am

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Greater Miami Shores wrote:I am going to post this post here of Biden with a video link and later on today on the related election thread.

Even Joe Biden, once said a US Supreme Court nominee could be confirmed a few months before an election, talk about hypocrisy, lol.

He also said if the nominee were chosen with the advice and not merely the consent of the Senate as the constitution requires.

GMS: Well the majority of the 53 Republican senators, probably 50 or 51 agree with President Trump s nominee right now as the US constitution allows him too. Biden also said other strong words why it should happen.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/m ... mpaign=582

Does this justify Republicans flip-flopping as well, in your eyes?

I have always said, the Republicans Play Politics, the Democrats Play Politics too, neither are Political saints, and certain leftists criticized me and put me down for pointing out the Democrats do it too. In this case as I have posted and perhaps you have not seen my posts, President Trump has a right, a duty and obligation to the nation to name a US Supreme Court nominee anytime he wishes and try to have him or her confirmed, under the US constitution. As Joe Biden is saying in the video link, :) lol.

I am not saying the US constitution says President Trump has a right, a duty and an obligation too, I am saying the US constitution gives President Trump the right to name a US Supreme Court nominee any time he wishes too, as Joe Biden supports in the video link. This is his right, duty and an obligation to do so for the nation, close election day or not, as Joe Biden supports in the video link, :) lol again.

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Postby Eukaryotic Cells » Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:48 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Eukaryotic Cells wrote:Does this justify Republicans flip-flopping as well, in your eyes?

I have always said, the Republicans Play Politics, the Democrats Play Politics too, neither are Political saints, and certain leftists criticized me and put me down for pointing out the Democrats do it too. In this case as I have posted and perhaps you have not seen my posts, President Trump has a right, a duty and obligation to the nation to name a US Supreme Court nominee anytime he wishes and try to have him or her confirmed, under the US constitution. As Joe Biden is saying in the video link, :) lol.

I am not saying the US constitution says President Trump has a right, a duty and an obligation too, I am saying the US constitution gives President Trump the right to name a US Supreme Court nominee any time he wishes too, as Joe Biden supports in the video link. This is his right, duty and an obligation to do so for the nation, close election day or not, as Joe Biden supports in the video link, :) lol again.

I created and coined the phrase lol, I am having a lol attack, for which I am famous for on NS, lol. I created and coined the phrase, lol have mercy, what ever the heck it means, for which I am famous for on NS.

In the long run, how do you believe Presidents and the Senate should approach Supreme Court nominations and confirmations?

I'm personally quite worried about the future of the Court. Court packing is becoming a more widely accepted idea because of this Garland-Ginsburg saga.

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Postby Picairn » Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:51 am

Eukaryotic Cells wrote:In the long run, how do you believe Presidents and the Senate should approach Supreme Court nominations and confirmations?

I'm personally quite worried about the future of the Court. Court packing is becoming a more widely accepted idea because of this Garland-Ginsburg saga.

I advocate getting SC nominations out of politicians' hands entirely, leaving it up to the American Bar Association or an independent panel of bi-partisan experts. But that would require a Constitutional Amendment.
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Postby Atheris » Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:54 am

Picairn wrote:
Eukaryotic Cells wrote:In the long run, how do you believe Presidents and the Senate should approach Supreme Court nominations and confirmations?

I'm personally quite worried about the future of the Court. Court packing is becoming a more widely accepted idea because of this Garland-Ginsburg saga.

I advocate getting SC nominations out of politicians' hands entirely, leaving it up to the American Bar Association or an independent panel of bi-partisan experts. But that would require a Constitutional Amendment.

That'd be nice.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:57 am

Eukaryotic Cells wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:I have always said, the Republicans Play Politics, the Democrats Play Politics too, neither are Political saints, and certain leftists criticized me and put me down for pointing out the Democrats do it too. In this case as I have posted and perhaps you have not seen my posts, President Trump has a right, a duty and obligation to the nation to name a US Supreme Court nominee anytime he wishes and try to have him or her confirmed, under the US constitution. As Joe Biden is saying in the video link, :) lol.

I am not saying the US constitution says President Trump has a right, a duty and an obligation too, I am saying the US constitution gives President Trump the right to name a US Supreme Court nominee any time he wishes too, as Joe Biden supports in the video link. This is his right, duty and an obligation to do so for the nation, close election day or not, as Joe Biden supports in the video link, :) lol again.

I created and coined the phrase lol, I am having a lol attack, for which I am famous for on NS, lol. I created and coined the phrase, lol have mercy, what ever the heck it means, for which I am famous for on NS.

In the long run, how do you believe Presidents and the Senate should approach Supreme Court nominations and confirmations?

I'm personally quite worried about the future of the Court. Court packing is becoming a more widely accepted idea because of this Garland-Ginsburg saga.

Any President Republican or Democrat has a right under the US constitution to name a US Supreme Court nominee and try to have him or her confirmed at any time during their term of office. When Obama was President at the time, we had a divided government, that is the difference the Republicans are pointing too in this case. I am worried about court packing too. If you are worried about court packing you should be condemning the Democrats supporting court packing right now as I have. Joe Biden is on record as saying he opposes court packing, because when the Republicans are in power they will do it to us too, back and forth as the parties change power. But if Joe Biden wins he could change his mind. As a Republican I hope President Trump wins.
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Postby Atheris » Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:59 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Eukaryotic Cells wrote:In the long run, how do you believe Presidents and the Senate should approach Supreme Court nominations and confirmations?

I'm personally quite worried about the future of the Court. Court packing is becoming a more widely accepted idea because of this Garland-Ginsburg saga.

Any President Republican or Democrat has a right under the US constitution to name a US Supreme Court nominee and try to have him or her confirmed at any time during their term of office. When Obama was President at the time, we had a divided government, that is the difference the Republicans are pointing too in this case. I am worried about court packing too. If you are worried about court packing you should be condemning the Democrats supporting court packing right now as I have. Joe Biden is on record as saying he opposes court packing, because when the Republicans are in power they will do it to us too, back and forth as the parties change power. But if Joe Biden wins he could change his mind. As a Republican I hope President Trump wins.

Honestly, I really don't care who wins. They're both senile, creepy old men.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:06 am

Atheris wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Any President Republican or Democrat has a right under the US constitution to name a US Supreme Court nominee and try to have him or her confirmed at any time during their term of office. When Obama was President at the time, we had a divided government, that is the difference the Republicans are pointing too in this case. I am worried about court packing too. If you are worried about court packing you should be condemning the Democrats supporting court packing right now as I have. Joe Biden is on record as saying he opposes court packing, because when the Republicans are in power they will do it to us too, back and forth as the parties change power. But if Joe Biden wins he could change his mind. As a Republican I hope President Trump wins.

Honestly, I really don't care who wins. They're both senile, creepy old men.

ok honestly I understand your point from your personal perspective, I know many persons don't care who the President is, the representative or senator is. I know many persons don't like either of them, and I respect your democratic right to your choice of no choice.
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Postby Eukaryotic Cells » Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:14 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Eukaryotic Cells wrote:In the long run, how do you believe Presidents and the Senate should approach Supreme Court nominations and confirmations?

I'm personally quite worried about the future of the Court. Court packing is becoming a more widely accepted idea because of this Garland-Ginsburg saga.

Any President Republican or Democrat has a right under the US constitution to name a US Supreme Court nominee and try to have him or her confirmed at any time during their term of office. When Obama was President at the time, we had a divided government, that is the difference the Republicans are pointing too in this case. I am worried about court packing too. If you are worried about court packing you should be condemning the Democrats supporting court packing right now as I have. Joe Biden is on record as saying he opposes court packing, because when the Republicans are in power they will do it to us too, back and forth as the parties change power. But if Joe Biden wins he could change his mind. As a Republican I hope President Trump wins.

I do condemn them. However, the urge to court pack is a direct consequence of this funny business by McConnell. Ideally (in my opinion), Garland would have been placed on the court, so we'd have a balanced 5-4 (Con-Lib) court right now. Serious Democrats wouldn't be talking about court packing.

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Postby Valrifell » Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:16 am

Eukaryotic Cells wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Any President Republican or Democrat has a right under the US constitution to name a US Supreme Court nominee and try to have him or her confirmed at any time during their term of office. When Obama was President at the time, we had a divided government, that is the difference the Republicans are pointing too in this case. I am worried about court packing too. If you are worried about court packing you should be condemning the Democrats supporting court packing right now as I have. Joe Biden is on record as saying he opposes court packing, because when the Republicans are in power they will do it to us too, back and forth as the parties change power. But if Joe Biden wins he could change his mind. As a Republican I hope President Trump wins.

I do condemn them. However, the urge to court pack is a direct consequence of this funny business by McConnell. Ideally (in my opinion), Garland would have been placed on the court, so we'd have a balanced 5-4 (Con-Lib) court right now. Serious Democrats wouldn't be talking about court packing.


The threats of court packing are, for now, just that - threats. It's the threat of dire consequences if they go through with it, but the threat doesn't seem to be working. The next step, naturally, is to follow through, which wouldn't actually be fun.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:23 am

Eukaryotic Cells wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Any President Republican or Democrat has a right under the US constitution to name a US Supreme Court nominee and try to have him or her confirmed at any time during their term of office. When Obama was President at the time, we had a divided government, that is the difference the Republicans are pointing too in this case. I am worried about court packing too. If you are worried about court packing you should be condemning the Democrats supporting court packing right now as I have. Joe Biden is on record as saying he opposes court packing, because when the Republicans are in power they will do it to us too, back and forth as the parties change power. But if Joe Biden wins he could change his mind. As a Republican I hope President Trump wins.

I do condemn them. However, the urge to court pack is a direct consequence of this funny business by McConnell. Ideally (in my opinion), Garland would have been placed on the court, so we'd have a balanced 5-4 (Con-Lib) court right now. Serious Democrats wouldn't be talking about court packing.

Cool you condemn them too. I understand your post, serious Democrats wouldn't be talking about court packing, but at least a few Democrats are talking about court packing.

President Trump has a right, a duty and an obligation to the nation and to his supporters who elected him to name a new US Supreme Court nominee and try to have him or her confirmed anytime during his term. As a Republican he will obviously choose a conservative Republican US Supreme Court Justice nominee. A Democrat President would obviously choose a Liberal Democrat Leftist US Supreme Court nominee. Democrats would do it too if they have the chance too if the situation were reversed.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:28 am

So... I got to thinking. Here at work, been tossing around potential candidates that trump could nominate, and while the consensus amongst by co-workers is that it's mostly likely barrett.
However, during said discussions, with lagoa being put up could help secure flordia's 29 EV for trump as that would entice cubans and latinos to swing toward trump. It would put the democrats in the senate in a difficult position to vote against the nominee as she was confirmed to the 11th by 80-15 vote in 2019.
Just tossing out ideas here.
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