UK Politics Thread IX: The Masses Against the Classes

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

The Empire has been functionally stone dead since the Suez. What is rUK going to do now after renouncing Europe for the quintillionth time? Get Shanghai'd into the Shanghai "Co-Operation" org and be PRC's bitch?

That or get shanghai'd by Trumpostan into being Trumpostan's bitch (like it functionally already is)?

[Senegalboy]

The Empire has been functionally stone dead since the Suez. What is rUK going to do now after renouncing Europe for the quintillionth time? Join the Shanghai "Free Trade" org and be PRC's bitch?

The UK is the 5th largest economy with the largest IT industry in Europe,the second largest aerospace industry and financial industry in the world and among the top 10 largest manufacturers in the world so our success isn't dependent on the EU.

[Vassenor]

Speaking of which, has that vote on making us give Diego Garcia back to Mauritius happened yet?

[Ifreann]

Fun as it is to relitigate the referendum, what part of "Project Fear" are people suggesting warrants a court case?

The case against Boris Johnson is that he lied when he said that Britain sends the EU £350 million a week. That's very obviously not the same as David Cameron or whoever else saying that leaving the EU will cause a recession and that not turning out to be true.

[Vassenor]

The Empire has been functionally stone dead since the Suez. What is rUK going to do now after renouncing Europe for the quintillionth time? Join the Shanghai "Free Trade" org and be PRC's bitch?

The UK is the 5th largest economy with the largest IT industry in Europe,the second largest aerospace industry and financial industry in the world and among the top 10 largest manufacturers in the world so our success isn't dependent on the EU.

Nope. Fifth largest economy is the State of California. Bombardier is pulling its aerospace industry out of the UK, as are a chunk of the Financial institutions in the City, which mainly stayed because of our easy access to the EU markets.

[Senegalboy]

We were told that there would be a recession right after the vote not a us leaving.

All this just so you don't have to admit that the Leave campaign was built on lies.

The Leave campaign was partially built on lies but the main things were true.Immigration is extremely high,A large percent of our laws are made by people who we never voted for,EU made laws supersede British laws and we put more money in than out.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

The UK is the 5th largest economy with the largest IT industry in Europe,the second largest aerospace industry and financial industry in the world and among the top 10 largest manufacturers in the world so our success isn't dependent on the EU.

Nope. Fifth largest economy is the State of California. Bombardier is pulling its aerospace industry out of the UK, as are a chunk of the Financial institutions in the City, which mainly stayed because of our easy access to the EU markets.

And guess which people are going to look at Rolls-Royce's engine division while drooling, after Britain's reduced its negotiating power to nothing and put up a trade barrier in the channel against Airbus? Boeing, LockMart, China.

[Vassenor]

All this just so you don't have to admit that the Leave campaign was built on lies.

The Leave campaign was partially built on lies but the main things were true.Immigration is extremely high,A large percent of our laws are made by people who we never voted for,EU made laws supersede British laws and we put more money in than out.

Did you miss the election we just had? Plus going to need a source on that "large percent of our laws" remark.

And isn't the bulk of immigration from non-EU countries that we could already control and so Brexit will not change at all?

[Senegalboy]

The UK is the 5th largest economy with the largest IT industry in Europe,the second largest aerospace industry and financial industry in the world and among the top 10 largest manufacturers in the world so our success isn't dependent on the EU.

Nope. Fifth largest economy is the State of California. Bombardier is pulling its aerospace industry out of the UK, as are a chunk of the Financial institutions in the City, which mainly stayed because of our easy access to the EU markets.

1.California isn't a country
2.Even if the UK loses a quarter of its international financial sector as a result of Brexit, it will still be double the size of any other European business centre
https://www.ft.com/content/88cdec40-b03 ... 049d06439c

[Vassenor]

Also net migration to the UK was a whole 250,000 people in the year ending December 2018.

Sauce

[Senegalboy]

The Leave campaign was partially built on lies but the main things were true.Immigration is extremely high,A large percent of our laws are made by people who we never voted for,EU made laws supersede British laws and we put more money in than out.

Did you miss the election we just had? Plus going to need a source on that "large percent of our laws" remark.

And isn't the bulk of immigration from non-EU countries that we could already control and so Brexit will not change at all?

The European Parliament said that " "a big portion of the laws adopted by the House of Commons and House of Lords actually are EU-laws"
On the Immigration argument,in 2016,49% of immigrants were from the EU but the EU only makes up 6.65% of the World population.

[Chan Island]

Nope. Fifth largest economy is the State of California. Bombardier is pulling its aerospace industry out of the UK, as are a chunk of the Financial institutions in the City, which mainly stayed because of our easy access to the EU markets.

1.California isn't a country
2.Even if the UK loses a quarter of its international financial sector as a result of Brexit, it will still be double the size of any other European business centre
https://www.ft.com/content/88cdec40-b03 ... 049d06439c

Losing a quarter of the nation's international financial sector would still be a catastrophe that would crash the UK economy, so don't be too jubliant about that.

And besides, much of it is moving to Europe, so this suggestion that it'll disappear into thin air isn't true.

And also, the EU has many different business centres. Dublin, Frankfurt, Paris and Luxembourg all have significant individual banking sectors- in part as a result of EU policy- and businesses leaving London are going to those and other destinations. So the question then is how does the UK fare in comparison to the entire EU?

[Vassenor]

Did you miss the election we just had? Plus going to need a source on that "large percent of our laws" remark.

And isn't the bulk of immigration from non-EU countries that we could already control and so Brexit will not change at all?

The European Parliament said that " "a big portion of the laws adopted by the House of Commons and House of Lords actually are EU-laws"
On the Immigration argument,in 2016,49% of immigrants were from the EU but the EU only makes up 6.65% of the World population.

Let's see links to those sources.

[Senegalboy]

The European Parliament said that " "a big portion of the laws adopted by the House of Commons and House of Lords actually are EU-laws"
On the Immigration argument,in 2016,49% of immigrants were from the EU but the EU only makes up 6.65% of the World population.

Let's see links to those sources.

RP10-62.pdf for the European legislation and I used your own source for the immigration numbers.

[Vassenor]

Let's see links to those sources.

RP10-62.pdf for the European legislation and I used your own source for the immigration numbers.

I asked for links, not a random file name.

[Alvecia]

RP10-62.pdf for the European legislation and I used your own source for the immigration numbers.

I asked for links, not a random file name.

www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/RP10-62.pdf

if the 10 seconds I used to right click, "search on google" are anything to go by.

[Senegalboy]

1.California isn't a country
2.Even if the UK loses a quarter of its international financial sector as a result of Brexit, it will still be double the size of any other European business centre
https://www.ft.com/content/88cdec40-b03 ... 049d06439c

Losing a quarter of the nation's international financial sector would still be a catastrophe that would crash the UK economy, so don't be too jubliant about that.

And besides, much of it is moving to Europe, so this suggestion that it'll disappear into thin air isn't true.

And also, the EU has many different business centres. Dublin, Frankfurt, Paris and Luxembourg all have significant individual banking sectors- in part as a result of EU policy- and businesses leaving London are going to those and other destinations. So the question then is how does the UK fare in comparison to the entire EU?

As the article states,the UK financial sector dominates the european financial scene. so the UK fares pretty well compared to the EU27.

[Souseiseki]

Did you miss the election we just had? Plus going to need a source on that "large percent of our laws" remark.

And isn't the bulk of immigration from non-EU countries that we could already control and so Brexit will not change at all?

The European Parliament said that " "a big portion of the laws adopted by the House of Commons and House of Lords actually are EU-laws"
On the Immigration argument,in 2016,49% of immigrants were from the EU but the EU only makes up 6.65% of the World population.

and people born in scotland made up 7% of the foreign born population in england, even though scotland only makes up 0.073% of the world population. very suspicious!

of course the EU is going to be over-represented compared to the rest of the world. they are a collection of rich countries that are right next to us along with yes already having an easier time immigrating. comparing them directly to the whole world population is silly.

[Chan Island]

Losing a quarter of the nation's international financial sector would still be a catastrophe that would crash the UK economy, so don't be too jubliant about that.

And besides, much of it is moving to Europe, so this suggestion that it'll disappear into thin air isn't true.

And also, the EU has many different business centres. Dublin, Frankfurt, Paris and Luxembourg all have significant individual banking sectors- in part as a result of EU policy- and businesses leaving London are going to those and other destinations. So the question then is how does the UK fare in comparison to the entire EU?

As the article states the UK financial sector dominates the european financial scene.

Paywall, couldn't see the article.

I asked for links, not a random file name.

http://www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/RP10-62.pdf

if the 10 seconds I used to right click, "search on google" are anything to go by.

14.3% of legislation! As if that's somehow a lot?

[Ifreann]

The European Parliament said that " "a big portion of the laws adopted by the House of Commons and House of Lords actually are EU-laws"
On the Immigration argument,in 2016,49% of immigrants were from the EU but the EU only makes up 6.65% of the World population.

and people born in scotland made up 7% of the foreign born population in england, even though scotland only makes up 0.073% of the world population. very suspicious!

of course the EU is going to be over-represented compared to the rest of the world. they are a collection of rich countries that are right next to us along with yes already having an easier time immigrating. comparing them directly to the whole world population is silly.

Rebuild Hadrian's Wall and make Scotland pay for it!

[Senegalboy]

The European Parliament said that " "a big portion of the laws adopted by the House of Commons and House of Lords actually are EU-laws"
On the Immigration argument,in 2016,49% of immigrants were from the EU but the EU only makes up 6.65% of the World population.

and people born in scotland made up 7% of the foreign born population in england, even though scotland only makes up 0.073% of the world population. very suspicious!

of course the EU is going to be over-represented compared to the rest of the world. they are a collection of rich countries that are right next to us along with yes already having an easier time immigrating. comparing them directly to the whole world population is silly.

The main issue is that we can't control the amount of people coming from the EU and the size of EU immigration to the UK is not comparable to Scottish Immigration to England.

[Hirota]

Finished my spreadsheet.

Obvious disclaimer - I'm not a data analyst. There is probably some methodology that could be improved upon, and I'm happy to hear what can be improved upon. Time to spoil them out methinks.

Median Weekly wage vs Percentage voted for Brexit by constituency and Average Weekly Wage vs Percentage voted for Brexit by constituency

Not a huge difference between the two - the trend that median/average lower weekly wage constituencies were more likely to vote leave appears consistent.

Percentage of people with Degree level or higher vs percentage voted for Brexit by constituency

This probably ties in with the distribution of wealth as observed in the previous two.

Average House Price vs percentage voted for Brexit by constituency

Again, correlation with weekly wage is probably in play here.

Average age vs percentage voted for Brexit by constituency

I was actually surprised there appears to be next to no correlation between the average age of the constituency and how they voted for Brexit.

Percentage non-UK born vs percentage voted for Brexit by constituency

I don't have any particular feedback on this one right now.

Spreadsheet is here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NUz8jy ... sp=sharing

I've picked up the raw data from the office of National Statistics, the Commons Library on median gross weekly pay for full-time employees per constituency, and the data from the 2016 referendum from Professor Chris Hanretty, a political scientist at Royal Holloway University, who combined official results and the BBC data with statistical methods in order to estimate the proportion of Leave and Remain voters in every seat in England, Scotland and Wales.

That last one isn't ideal, but it's the most accurate record I could find.

[Vassenor]

and people born in scotland made up 7% of the foreign born population in england, even though scotland only makes up 0.073% of the world population. very suspicious!

of course the EU is going to be over-represented compared to the rest of the world. they are a collection of rich countries that are right next to us along with yes already having an easier time immigrating. comparing them directly to the whole world population is silly.

The main issue is that we can't control the amount of people coming from the EU and the size of EU immigration to the UK is not comparable to Scottish Immigration to England.

So what is the need to be able to control it? With evidence please.

[Hirota]

Paywall, couldn't see the article.

I've screenshotted the whole thing for anyone interested:
https://imgur.com/9S2bboV

[Senegalboy]

The main issue is that we can't control the amount of people coming from the EU and the size of EU immigration to the UK is not comparable to Scottish Immigration to England.

So what is the need to be able to control it? With evidence please.

As a sovereign nation, we should have the right to control our own borders.
we have a housing crisis as well as a NHS crisis.Uncontrolled immigration would just further strain these services