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What is your denomination?

Roman Catholic
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36%
Eastern Orthodox
85
9%
Non-Chalcedonian (Oriental Orthodox, Church of the East, etc.)
6
1%
Anglican/Episcopalian
57
6%
Lutheran or Reformed (including Calvinist, Presbyterian, etc.)
96
10%
Methodist
16
2%
Baptist
95
10%
Other Evangelical Protestant (Pentecostal, Charismatic, etc.)
72
8%
Restorationist (LDS Movement, Jehovah's Witness, etc.)
37
4%
Other Christian
137
15%
 
Total votes : 935

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Postby Tarsonis » Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:07 pm

Pacomia wrote:The other day a Christian came into the Atheist discussion thread and asked what made us atheist. That made me sort of curious- what made you Christian? Were you born Christian, or was there some event that made you Christian?


I came to the conclusion that a Godless world was impossible, and I went from there
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Postby Pacomia » Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:08 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Pacomia wrote:The other day a Christian came into the Atheist discussion thread and asked what made us atheist. That made me sort of curious- what made you Christian? Were you born Christian, or was there some event that made you Christian?


I came to the conclusion that a Godless world was impossible, and I went from there

Yeah, what I’m asking is how.
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Postby Tarsonis » Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:09 pm

Pacomia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
I came to the conclusion that a Godless world was impossible, and I went from there

Yeah, what I’m asking is how.


I’m not sure what you mean. I weighed the information I came to a conclusion.
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Postby Pacomia » Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:10 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Pacomia wrote:Yeah, what I’m asking is how.


I’m not sure what you mean. I weighed the information I came to a conclusion.

What information?
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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:11 pm

Pacomia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
I’m not sure what you mean. I weighed the information I came to a conclusion.

What information?

Calling it right now, it's going to be the Kalam
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Postby Pacomia » Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:12 pm

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
Pacomia wrote:What information?

Calling it right now, it's going to be the Kalam

This, uh... is the Christian discussion thread.
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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:14 pm

Pacomia wrote:
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:Calling it right now, it's going to be the Kalam

This, uh... is the Christian discussion thread.

Islam is Orthodoxy with a bit of Arab Nationalism and narcissism on Mohammed's part.
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Postby Vendellamoore » Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:16 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Vendellamoore wrote:Meaning I'm extremely conservative, and so is my church.


But what defines PCA beliefs compared to others?

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Postby Pacomia » Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:19 pm

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
Pacomia wrote:This, uh... is the Christian discussion thread.

Islam is Orthodoxy with a bit of Arab Nationalism and narcissism on Mohammed's part.

Sure, but muslims and Christians don’t think that.
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Postby Tarsonis » Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:21 pm

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
Pacomia wrote:This, uh... is the Christian discussion thread.

Islam is Orthodoxy with a bit of Arab Nationalism and narcissism on Mohammed's part.


Orthodox Judaism maybe. Islamic and (Apostolic) Christianity are fundamentally at odds with each other.
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Postby Minachia » Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:23 pm

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
Pacomia wrote:This, uh... is the Christian discussion thread.

Islam is Orthodoxy with a bit of Arab Nationalism and narcissism on Mohammed's part.

I'm sorry what
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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:24 pm

Pacomia wrote:The other day a Christian came into the Atheist discussion thread and asked what made us atheist. That made me sort of curious- what made you Christian? Were you born Christian, or was there some event that made you Christian?

Used to be a lax Catholic, faithless even, until I found my faith. I can't really explain it, but one day I woke up and found that I believed in God.

I made the either/or choice Kierkegaard talked about. I took the leap of faith.
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Postby Tarsonis » Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:24 pm

Pacomia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
I’m not sure what you mean. I weighed the information I came to a conclusion.

What information?


All of it. Astrophysics, Quantum physics, String Theory, Evolution, run down the list.
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Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
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Postby Tarsonis » Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:25 pm

Minachia wrote:
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:Islam is Orthodoxy with a bit of Arab Nationalism and narcissism on Mohammed's part.

I'm sorry what


Just JPS trying to sound more knowledgable than she actually is
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Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
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Postby Pacomia » Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:25 pm

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:
Pacomia wrote:The other day a Christian came into the Atheist discussion thread and asked what made us atheist. That made me sort of curious- what made you Christian? Were you born Christian, or was there some event that made you Christian?

Used to be a lax Catholic, faithless even, until I found my faith. I can't really explain it, but one day I woke up and found that I believed in God.

Weird.

A couple months ago I woke up supporting abortion. I didn’t before, but... yeah.
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:43 am

Vendellamoore wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
But what defines PCA beliefs compared to others?

Views on Marriage, Views on Church Government, and Views on the Interpretation of Scripture.


You’re still not answering the question. What are they? And how/why are they different from others?
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Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:34 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Pacomia wrote:What information?


All of it. Astrophysics, Quantum physics, String Theory, Evolution, run down the list.

Just saying that I called it.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:37 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Pacomia wrote:What information?


All of it. Astrophysics, Quantum physics, String Theory, Evolution, run down the list.

I'd love to know how you "weighed" String Theory, given even the experts aren't sure what the implications of it are.
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Postby Daarwyrth » Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:59 am

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:
Pacomia wrote:The other day a Christian came into the Atheist discussion thread and asked what made us atheist. That made me sort of curious- what made you Christian? Were you born Christian, or was there some event that made you Christian?

Used to be a lax Catholic, faithless even, until I found my faith. I can't really explain it, but one day I woke up and found that I believed in God.

I made the either/or choice Kierkegaard talked about. I took the leap of faith.


I had the exact opposite experience earlier this year (during Easter funnily enough). I was raised Catholic, then labeled myself simply as Christian because I didn't want to be part of the Catholic church anymore, but then one day earlier this year, I woke up and realised that it's all nonsense and that God or a god does not exist. The sensation of freedom since then has been absolutely amazing, as religion had become a chain around my neck that limited me in many ways. I often find myself pitying my younger self, who couldn't even hope to see the freedom of atheism. I am not one to thrust my convictions or thoughts onto another person - because I consider that to be morally wrong - but often when I hear people talking how they believe in a higher being, a god or heaven, I find myself pitying them too, because there is so much more truth in science and the universe we are living in now. The stars, the planets, the galaxies and the endless expanse, the fact that it all exists is divine in itself and no manmade concept of a higher being can top that, I think.

Besides, we're one tiny little planet in a universe that's endless. Why would someone here, on this little speck in the vastness of the cosmos, have figured out the truth? It just seems unlikely, especially since every corner of the world has its own religion claiming to be the one true one.
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Postby NewLakotah » Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:02 am

Pacomia wrote:The other day a Christian came into the Atheist discussion thread and asked what made us atheist. That made me sort of curious- what made you Christian? Were you born Christian, or was there some event that made you Christian?

Was born into a (protestant) Christian family. More or less left the church, became practically agnostic and finally entering the position where I found atheism completely impossible in any manner of speaking after attending university. At first it was purely an academic pursuit, and then a more spiritual one. However, in my pursuit of truth, I had to leave the protestant tradition for the Catholic Church.
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:22 am

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
All of it. Astrophysics, Quantum physics, String Theory, Evolution, run down the list.

Just saying that I called it.


Not sure what you’re trying to be proud of here.
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Postby Benuty » Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:49 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:Islam is Orthodoxy with a bit of Arab Nationalism and narcissism on Mohammed's part.


Orthodox Judaism maybe. Islamic and (Apostolic) Christianity are fundamentally at odds with each other.

Very debatable.

Muhammad was influenced greatly by cast-off sects of Christianity, and the Jewish tribes in Arabia. The Ebionites, for example, had contact with Muhammad as well as other potential sects branded a heretical sect.
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Postby Greater Loegria » Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:54 am

Benuty wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Orthodox Judaism maybe. Islamic and (Apostolic) Christianity are fundamentally at odds with each other.

Very debatable.

Muhammad was influenced greatly by cast-off sects of Christianity, and the Jewish tribes in Arabia. The Ebionites, for example, had contact with Muhammad as well as other potential sects branded a heretical sect.

They're at odd theologically. None of them wish the other to exist.
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:58 am

Benuty wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Orthodox Judaism maybe. Islamic and (Apostolic) Christianity are fundamentally at odds with each other.

Very debatable.

Muhammad was influenced greatly by cast-off sects of Christianity, and the Jewish tribes in Arabia. The Ebionites, for example, had contact with Muhammad as well as other potential sects branded a heretical sect.

That doesn’t have anything to do with them being fundamentally opposed . He might have been inspired by these groups but his theology does not match Christianity.
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Postby Benuty » Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:58 am

Greater Loegria wrote:
Benuty wrote:Very debatable.

Muhammad was influenced greatly by cast-off sects of Christianity, and the Jewish tribes in Arabia. The Ebionites, for example, had contact with Muhammad as well as other potential sects branded a heretical sect.

They're at odd theologically. None of them wish the other to exist.

Well, if your sect doesn't have a welcome in Eastern Rome then you headed to Persia, the deserts of Egypt, or to the tribal lands of Arabia. So while Muhammad had contact with some mainstream Christians, and Jews the majority of contact was with heretics or unorthodox practitioners.
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