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What denomination of Islam are you part of?

Sunni Islam
121
30%
Sunni Islam (Salafism)
16
4%
Shia Islam
29
7%
Quranist
9
2%
Ahmadiyya
4
1%
Zaydi
8
2%
Ibadist
4
1%
Sufism
22
6%
I do not ascribe to any sect, just call me a Muslim
68
17%
Other
118
30%
 
Total votes : 399

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Western Vale Confederacy
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Tue May 29, 2018 10:52 am

Pilarcraft wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
I mostly remember the Umayyads as being the second Islamic caliphate that got defeated by the Abbasids and went "You know what!? I will flee to Spain and create my own caliphate, with chess and harems!".

And thus my ancestors might have a tint of Muslim blood.
Umayyads got into power by trickery (almost literally. Amru ibn As tricked Abu Musa A'shari in the parley after The Saffayn, into giving his overlord (Mu'awiyye) the Caliphate) and then kept that power by murdering opposition and oppressing The Ajam... though then again, the same can be said about The First Caliphate and The Abassid Caliphate too...


Welcome to literally any government ever.

The Abbasids couldn't just walk up to the Umayyads and go "Can we have power, pretty pleeeaaase?"

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The Ottoman Emirates
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Postby The Ottoman Emirates » Tue May 29, 2018 10:54 am

United States of Oceania wrote:
The Ottoman Emirates wrote:Last time I tried that Britain split me in half


"We will have our vengeance, in this life or the next."

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Tebuh
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Postby Tebuh » Tue May 29, 2018 2:31 pm

Aulus Maximus wrote:
Gospel Power wrote:Well, even most of the Muslims in Europe are Europeans...

What do you mean?

I mean what he said is right, not every Muslim is more devout than a Christian

I'm a Muslima lol.

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Western Vale Confederacy
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Tue May 29, 2018 2:32 pm

Tebuh wrote:
Aulus Maximus wrote:What do you mean?

I mean what he said is right, not every Muslim is more devout than a Christian

I'm a Muslima lol.


What the hell is that term? A female Muslim?

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Tebuh
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Postby Tebuh » Tue May 29, 2018 2:32 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Tebuh wrote:I'm a Muslima lol.


What the hell is that term? A female Muslim?

Yes.

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Western Vale Confederacy
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Tue May 29, 2018 2:34 pm

Tebuh wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
What the hell is that term? A female Muslim?

Yes.


I honestly have never heard of that term before, although it does bear some similarity to the word "Sultana".

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Tebuh
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Postby Tebuh » Tue May 29, 2018 2:34 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Tebuh wrote:Yes.


I honestly have never heard of that term before, although it does bear some similarity to the word "Sultana".

You learn something new every day :p

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Western Vale Confederacy
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Tue May 29, 2018 2:36 pm

Tebuh wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
I honestly have never heard of that term before, although it does bear some similarity to the word "Sultana".

You learn something new every day :p


Now I just need to learn about the day-to-day life of a Muslima.

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Tebuh
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Postby Tebuh » Tue May 29, 2018 2:37 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Tebuh wrote:You learn something new every day :p


Now I just need to learn about the day-to-day life of a Muslima.
Pray 5 times a day, go to school. It's not exactly exciting.

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Western Vale Confederacy
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Tue May 29, 2018 2:38 pm

Tebuh wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Now I just need to learn about the day-to-day life of a Muslima.
Pray 5 times a day, go to school. It's not exactly exciting.


I could barely get myself to attend my communion/confirmation courses (it's less of a religious duty and more of a tradition in my family to do your communion and confirmation), let alone pray five times a day.

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Khataiy
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Postby Khataiy » Tue May 29, 2018 2:40 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Tebuh wrote:Yes.


I honestly have never heard of that term before, although it does bear some similarity to the word "Sultana".

Arabic has feminine terms like Spanish and German with the "a" at the end indicating its female.

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Negarakita
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Postby Negarakita » Tue May 29, 2018 2:59 pm

Khataiy wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
I honestly have never heard of that term before, although it does bear some similarity to the word "Sultana".

Arabic has feminine terms like Spanish and German with the "a" at the end indicating its female.

A is feminine in arabic, Slavic, romance and even German languages it's wierd.
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Geneviev
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Postby Geneviev » Tue May 29, 2018 4:50 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Tebuh wrote:I'm a Muslima lol.


What the hell is that term? A female Muslim?

I've heard the word Muslima used only in German, always to refer to a female Muslim.
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Tebuh
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Postby Tebuh » Tue May 29, 2018 11:16 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
What the hell is that term? A female Muslim?

I've heard the word Muslima used only in German, always to refer to a female Muslim.

Sometimes it's rendered as Muslimah.

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Negarakita
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Postby Negarakita » Wed May 30, 2018 12:23 am

Tebuh wrote:
Geneviev wrote:I've heard the word Muslima used only in German, always to refer to a female Muslim.

Sometimes it's rendered as Muslimah.

I've seen that far more often, don't know why. ah just looks more foreign and therefore more muslim over here I guess...
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The Grims
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Postby The Grims » Wed May 30, 2018 12:45 am

Negarakita wrote:
Khataiy wrote:Arabic has feminine terms like Spanish and German with the "a" at the end indicating its female.

A is feminine in arabic, Slavic, romance and even German languages it's wierd.


Is there also a christena or jewa ?

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Samudera Darussalam
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Wed May 30, 2018 2:47 am

Negarakita wrote:
Khataiy wrote:Arabic has feminine terms like Spanish and German with the "a" at the end indicating its female.

A is feminine in arabic, Slavic, romance and even German languages it's wierd.

As far as I know, the usage of 'ta marbuta' (ة‎) at the end of a word also indicates that the word (in many instances but not all, if I check it in wiktionary) has a female gender. It also used to turn words with masculine gender into feminine ones, if I learnt it correctly at school.

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Aulus Maximus
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Postby Aulus Maximus » Wed May 30, 2018 2:54 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Tebuh wrote:I'm a Muslima lol.


What the hell is that term? A female Muslim?

Yes, it means female Muslim.

Khataiy wrote:
Aulus Maximus wrote:I don't see how claiming anyone Muslim can be Imam is dumb. The Khawarij had good points which changed mainstream Sunni Islam.

Im pretty sure most would call that Bidah

It's not actually. Nowhere is it said that an imam should be explicitly from the tribe of Muhammed saws or an Arab for that matter.

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Tebuh wrote:Pray 5 times a day, go to school. It's not exactly exciting.


I could barely get myself to attend my communion/confirmation courses (it's less of a religious duty and more of a tradition in my family to do your communion and confirmation), let alone pray five times a day.

One prayer just takes around three to four minutes, it's not that much. It's the time of an Youtube video.
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United States of Oceania
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Postby United States of Oceania » Wed May 30, 2018 2:58 am

Lol, most of those who use the word "Khawarij" today don't even know who the Khawarij really are/were. They think if you read the Quran by yourself without some dollar-scholar censoring it for you, you are Khawarij.
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Postby Aulus Maximus » Wed May 30, 2018 2:59 am

United States of Oceania wrote:Lol, most of those who use the word "Khawarij" today don't even know who the Khawarij really are/were. They think if you read the Quran by yourself without some dollar-scholar censoring it for you, you are Khawarij.

Technically speaking Ibadis are Khawarij.
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Postby United States of Oceania » Wed May 30, 2018 3:25 am

Aulus Maximus wrote:
United States of Oceania wrote:Lol, most of those who use the word "Khawarij" today don't even know who the Khawarij really are/were. They think if you read the Quran by yourself without some dollar-scholar censoring it for you, you are Khawarij.

Technically speaking Ibadis are Khawarij.


I know, but today the term is used by followers of Pentagon-Muftis in order to insult everyone who is not a Sufi/Shia/Modernist/Lackey/Nation-worshiper
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Postby Azadistan-land of the free » Wed May 30, 2018 3:32 am

United States of Oceania wrote:
Aulus Maximus wrote:Technically speaking Ibadis are Khawarij.


I know, but today the term is used by followers of Pentagon-Muftis in order to insult everyone who is not a Sufi/Shia/Modernist/Lackey/Nation-worshiper


Why are you against "White people" some Muslims are white

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Postby United States of Oceania » Wed May 30, 2018 3:39 am

Azadistan-land of the free wrote:
United States of Oceania wrote:
I know, but today the term is used by followers of Pentagon-Muftis in order to insult everyone who is not a Sufi/Shia/Modernist/Lackey/Nation-worshiper


Why are you against "White people" some Muslims are white


But the vast majority of them are the fiercest enemies of Islam.
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Postby Negarakita » Wed May 30, 2018 3:44 am

United States of Oceania wrote:
Azadistan-land of the free wrote:
Why are you against "White people" some Muslims are white


But the vast majority of them are the fiercest enemies of Islam.

Am white can confirm
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Samudera Darussalam
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Wed May 30, 2018 4:25 am

Negarakita wrote:
United States of Oceania wrote:
But the vast majority of them are the fiercest enemies of Islam.

Am white can confirm

Don't take it to your heart :hug:

And by the 'vast majority'.....where do you get the information from? Or are you just taking conclusions?

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