Climate doomism!

[The Reformed American Republic]

We were on our way to be saved, as we would be going to Mars and established a colony there.

Unfortunately, the billionaires decided to focus on Twitter and postpone space exploration for a while.

Mars would be a dreadful existence anyway and assuming non-billionaires are allowed in the colonies, we would just be menial labor.

[Hukhalia]

We were on our way to be saved, as we would be going to Mars and established a colony there.

Unfortunately, the billionaires decided to focus on Twitter and postpone space exploration for a while.

Mars would be a dreadful existence anyway and assuming non-billionaires are allowed in the colonies, we would just be menial labor.

wholesome indentured servitude

[Haganham]

It's not that silly considering that some of the launch detections systems used are literally just radio transmitters transmitting a sequence of numbers to indicate that it is still in communication with nuclear command.

so which is it, scoob? was Y2K overblown bullshit or were launch detection systems actually prone to such an eventuality? you appear to have taken both stances

It's a schrödinger's apocalypse. You won't know if the world will end until you experience it.

[Adamede]

Yes, climate changes. It changed in the past, and will change in the future, no matter if humans exist or not. For it always will. Ecosystems will be ruined, and new ones will appear in their place. Still... pollution could and should be reduced. As for humanity... Society won't collapse. We will adapt. Yes, some things will become tougher, but I think, that climate change may also bring some new opportunities.

So no, I am no doomer. Yes, there will be some problems, but not collapse-tier ones.

Yah thats a cop out. That climate change and extinctions happen naturally doesnt change the fact that the current spout of it wouldn't happen if not for humanity.

[Hukhalia]

so which is it, scoob? was Y2K overblown bullshit or were launch detection systems actually prone to such an eventuality? you appear to have taken both stances

It's a schrödinger's apocalypse. You won't know if the world will end until you experience it.

doesn't answer my question broski...

[Free Algerstonia]

climate change is a hoax, it was created by the same aliens that ruled everything in the ancient times and created the pyramids and those mysterious ruins in great britain that are now returning with the help of the military-industrial complex and the hague. aliens are using 5G as secretive mind control systems that gradually infiltrate the brains of good patriotic americans and turn them into slaves working for the new reptilian order. green energy contains this mind control wavelength too, in fact is is called green energy because aliens are green

[Torisakia]

Full doomer. We're all going to die and it can't come soon enough. If climate change doesn't wipe out the planet, then some other disaster will (nuclear apocalypse, act of God, etc.). In any case, we won't see past the year 2030, maybe 2025 if we're really lucky. Governments spending millions upon billions to try and "stop" the inevitable is a waste of time and resources, but that's what governments do best I suppose.

Send all "edgy lul" comments to my TGs please.

[Seangoli]

Yes, climate changes. It changed in the past, and will change in the future, no matter if humans exist or not. For it always will. Ecosystems will be ruined, and new ones will appear in their place. Still... pollution could and should be reduced. As for humanity... Society won't collapse. We will adapt. Yes, some things will become tougher, but I think, that climate change may also bring some new opportunities.

So no, I am no doomer. Yes, there will be some problems, but not collapse-tier ones.

Yah thats a cop out. That climate change and extinctions happen naturally doesnt change the fact that the current spout of it wouldn't happen if not for humanity.

Note, there are many reasons why climate changes, and "natural" climate change does not begin to explain the various reasons why it has. There is nothing at all saying anthropocentric climate change is any less possible that volcanic climate change, atmospheric climate change as during the Great Dying, ebbs and flows of orbital cycles, am asteroid, etc.

While it's true that life has a fantastic way of surviving dramatic climate shifts, and I have no doubt life in general will thrive in changing climates, to argue that society can adapt is fallacious. Many societies collapsed from climate change in the past, often times due to anthropocentric activities (the fall of the Classic era Mayans likely had a lot to do with the I'll effects of deforestation that was entirely the cause of humans).

The problem with "societies" is that they are not adaptive, at least not until it is far too late to adapt effectively. Ratherz they are rigid and stubborn in their ways, trying to continuously do what worked in the past as the world collapses around them in hopes that things will change. One only needs to see the American Southwest right now to see this on a micro-level. People are stubbornly watering their lawns, farms stubbornly irrigating their fields, and all in a region that simply cannot support this activity at all. Lake Mead is drying up, and would need to enter a multi-decade wet period to refill to it's height in the 50s and 60s, however the patience and for thought of the residents of the area is short.

The same happens elsewhere. We should be looking intoore sustainable, long term solutions to energy, however coal and gas bring money and jobs. This doesn't just extend to climate change for these resources, but even further towards meeting our energy needs in a decade, two decades, etc. We are quickly approaching both a climate *and* energy crisis, and the solution to both is effectively the same thing, yet people cling to the past. It's a looming disaster, played in slow motion, and any adaptation will likely come too little too late for many.

[Bear Stearns]

see you guys next week

[New haven america]

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-61495035

tl:dr; "climate doomism" is the feeling that we've ALREADY run out of time to prevent disastrous global warming from happening, and that humanity is "doomed" to extinction because of it. Sort of the extreme opposite to climate-change denial. The article's author collected the opinions of some climatologists who insist that it isn't too late to act; speaking as a layman about climatology, though, I too feel that we're well past the point of no return, mostly because governments and corporations aren't going to do enough about it. I don't think we as species are doomed to extinction because of it, but I think we're going to see a lot more wars for resources and territory, coupled with mass famines and mass migration of impoverished people - which will trigger further nationalistic response etc etc. So, I don't think I qualify as a full "doomer", but as a "quasi-doomer" nevertheless. I still try to reduce my impact on the planet, but I know perfectly it's totally useless, as my behaviour isn't going to change the world anyway.

Are you a doomer, too? Are you optimistic? Are you a fellow "quasi-doomer"?

We have.

The cutoff date for the point of no return was June 2019.

[Alcala-Cordel]

I personally don't see any solution for environmental destruction that won't be undermined by capitalism, but it's still worth it to do stuff. The world isn't destroyed yet, we're still here, and we can still change things if we try.

The environment is screwed to an extent, but it's not over.

[New haven america]

I personally don't see any solution for environmental destruction that won't be undermined by capitalism, but it's still worth it to do stuff. The world isn't destroyed yet, we're still here, and we can still change things if we try.

Industrial scale carbon and methane absorbers, tree planting initiatives, releasing that bacteria that eats plastic and perfecting plastic catching nets...

Oh wait, you said not undermined by capitalism? Never mind, we're screwed.

[Alcala-Cordel]

I personally don't see any solution for environmental destruction that won't be undermined by capitalism, but it's still worth it to do stuff. The world isn't destroyed yet, we're still here, and we can still change things if we try.

Industrial scale carbon and methane absorbers, tree planting initiatives, releasing that bacteria that eats plastic and perfecting plastic catching nets...

Oh wait, you said not undermined by capitalism? Never mind, we're screwed.

Pretty much, if we keep going in the direction we're going we are absolutely screwed.

[Space Squid]

Industrial scale carbon and methane absorbers, tree planting initiatives, releasing that bacteria that eats plastic and perfecting plastic catching nets...

Oh wait, you said not undermined by capitalism? Never mind, we're screwed.

Pretty much, if we keep going in the direction we're going we are absolutely screwed.

Oh, I suspect humanity will find a way out of this.

But it's going to be the global equivalent of writing your term paper at 4 AM in a caffeine fueled frenzy, and then getting a D-.

[Hamidiye]

[x] [other]

Fatalism is the key to happiness. Hooray, we're all gonna die!

[Fractalnavel]

And it's
One,
Two,
Three
What are we fighting for?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is Vietnam.
And it's
Five,
Six,
Seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why,
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHy9ohqAU38

[Republic Of Ludwigsburg]

Do y'all WANT to die? Cuz I'm getting some feelings like that from some of you.

[Torisakia]

Do y'all WANT to die? Cuz I'm getting some feelings like that from some of you.

Yes. Literally yes. What is there to live for besides seeing the rapid deterioration of the world around us? We all end up in the same place anyway, so why bother fighting a losing battle?

[Pupax Portiis]

I mean, we could set up more nuclear power capacity -- like, replace all our coal with it, and use that cheap power to sequester carbonic acid from the oceans and try to clean up the microplastics and lead, as well. We won't, but it's a nice thought. My personal philisophy on all this is to enjoy the next 15 or so years as much as I can while they're still in front of me, because it's all going downhill from then on.

[Kerwa]

And it's
One,
Two,
Three
What are we fighting for?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is Vietnam.
And it's
Five,
Six,
Seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why,
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHy9ohqAU38

That entire festival ought to have been napalmed. The world would be a better place today.

[The Union of British North America]

All you need is carbon taxes and nuclear power.

[Glengo Island]

I used to be suicidal. I recognise the fatalism as what tried to kill me. Congratulations on that self-fulfilling prophecy of yours, you must be so smart to have predicted that if nothing happens, nothing happens. Good job!

Pessimism is an easy way to shock-absorb disappointment, but spiteful optimism is a powerful force in activism and governance if defeat makes you pissed instead of pessed. At this point, things will get real uncomfy, but opportunity to save it from going right up the ass (negatively) is so ample you'd have to willingly ignore it. Also, this is handily at the feet of a few people with the vast majority of the global population being innocent. Don't throw the 8 billion babies out with the bath water. (also, don't waste water)

Meanwhile, urbanism is growing rapidly as a political idea. Cars are starting to lose out worldwide, which is fucking huge. Capitalism appears to be on a defensive with the way public opinion is going. Hell, Russia's war is making Europe push for less fossil fuel reliance at record speed in a continent that is already incredibly green. Even with Africa's economies developing, many networks can skip over many pollutants entirely in modernising. The worst country in the world, Australia, may begin to pay attention to the damage it sponsors finally. The Stateside social movement, which is massive, is essentially married to green activism.

My personal sticky issue is nuclear power, which is efficient in all but being built (and mining for uranium) while other renewables are extremely flexible and if decentralised work beautifully. My perspective is heavily Southern Californian, where the sun is always available, winds are seasonally strong and there's nowhere to build a nuclear facility that won't get destroyed in the earthquakes that will happen or the fires that also will happen. Even I, a car liker man, will gladly take a long car (bus), wild chugger (train), or lil beepbeep metro (tram).

Maybe even collapse is something to look forward to, if the way things stubbornly go gets duplexed to hell. I find the 2040 estimate way too absolute. At this rate, any collapse that is coming will be partial and only affect certain sectors which will probably be the spots already causing problems. The pandemic is what I would consider a partial collapse, and the cultural impact of the good that happened for the climate and the massive cuts in emissions during pieces of it won't be forgotten. It's tough and there will be sacrifices, but why not put a guilty economic system on the chopping block for once instead of, say, all of humanity?

I had to personally save my life, and I'll be absolutely fucked if I'll just close my eyes and roll over to let something take it from me or anyone else again. Kick misanthropy in the stomach repeatedly!

[Jabberwocky]

Between ice ages are those pesky periods of warming. That's what is happening now, but exacerbated by humans. Fear not. In a few more million years you'll be complaining about how cold it is.

[Chan Island]

One point I definitely differ from typical doomer mentality is that I see climate action as still meaningful. Will it solve anything? Probably not.

But even mere delay of something so catastrophic as climate change is inherently worth doing. Every extra day the catastrophe is delayed is one of peace, love and ingenuity as precious as all the worlds treasures. Not to mention one where a more permanent fix may be found.

[Risottia]

We were on our way to be saved, as we would be going to Mars and established a colony there.

Unfortunately, the billionaires decided to focus on Twitter and postpone space exploration for a while.

Exactly, how would a colony on Mars "save" some 8 billions of humans on Earth?