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Should we vote for women for existing?

Yes
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No
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As a male, I'm ready to be subservient to the superior gender
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Irenton
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Postby Irenton » Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:53 am

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Irenton wrote:SJWs: "Hey lets just be politically correct."

Far-Right: "Hey lets genocide."

SJWs are a problem, that I grant you, but the Far-Right are more of a concern to us.

Nice deflection, m8.

I know, your shot just bounced straight back into your eyes.
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Postby Saiwania » Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:53 am

Eternal Lotharia wrote:I support women candidates-Warren BABY!-but, this idea is dumb and bad policy.


The Democrats aren't going to win with Elizabeth Warren, I hope she's the nominee. Donald Trump will run circles around Pocahontas. He knows this. He's counting on her to be his opposition. She'd be going down as hard as Hillary Clinton.
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Postby Cekoviu » Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:54 am

Saiwania wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:I support women candidates-Warren BABY!-but, this idea is dumb and bad policy.


The Democrats aren't going to win with Elizabeth Warren, I hope she's the nominee. Donald Trump will run circles around Pocahontas. He knows this. He's counting on her to be his opposition. She'd be going down as hard as Hillary Clinton.

It's almost like the American population is misogynist in this sphere.
Also, didn't you vote for Hillary? I could've sworn I remembered you saying that.
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Postby Irenton » Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:55 am

Galloism wrote:
Irenton wrote:SJWs: "Hey lets just be politically correct."

Far-Right: "Hey lets genocide."

SJWs are a problem, that I grant you, but the Far-Right are more of a concern to us.

This is not an accurate depiction of the problem.

In what way? I'm not going to write a pair of essays on the ideas of "SJWs" and Fascists
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Postby Scomagia » Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:56 am

Cekoviu wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
The Democrats aren't going to win with Elizabeth Warren, I hope she's the nominee. Donald Trump will run circles around Pocahontas. He knows this. He's counting on her to be his opposition. She'd be going down as hard as Hillary Clinton.

It's almost like the American population is misogynist in this sphere.
Also, didn't you vote for Hillary? I could've sworn I remembered you saying that.

Ueah, "misogyny" is the reason Warren is a hopeless candidate. ;)
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Postby Diopolis » Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:56 am

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Diopolis wrote:No. If anything we should vote against women because they’re women and should be in the private sphere.

Maximum oofage.

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Postby Galloism » Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:57 am

Irenton wrote:
Galloism wrote:This is not an accurate depiction of the problem.

In what way? I'm not going to write a pair of essays on the ideas of "SJWs" and Fascists

SJWs:

We should discriminate freely against anyone who we believe has been historically privileged, and they would just suck it up and deal with racism or sexism because we're doing it for the "oppressed class".

Far-Right:

Quit that shit. Also, let's get rid of all the muslims and hispanic people because that will solve all our problems.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:57 am

One's genitals are not political credentials.

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Postby Saiwania » Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:59 am

Cekoviu wrote:Also, didn't you vote for Hillary? I could've sworn I remembered you saying that.


Its a big regret. I couldn't appreciate how good Trump could be. I'd say I'm a rare example of someone going from Never Trump to embracing Trump fully.
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Postby Irenton » Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:59 am

Galloism wrote:
Irenton wrote:In what way? I'm not going to write a pair of essays on the ideas of "SJWs" and Fascists

SJWs:

We should discriminate freely against anyone who we believe has been historically privileged, and they would just suck it up and deal with racism or sexism because we're doing it for the "oppressed class".

Far-Right:

Quit that shit. Also, let's get rid of all the muslims and hispanic people, Jews, Blacks, non-whites and implement a program of eugenics, genocide and institutionalised discrimination in our white only ethnostate because that will solve all our problems.


You missed a bit, comrade, so I fixed it for you smileyface
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Postby Cekoviu » Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:59 am

Scomagia wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:It's almost like the American population is misogynist in this sphere.
Also, didn't you vote for Hillary? I could've sworn I remembered you saying that.

Ueah, "misogyny" is the reason Warren is a hopeless candidate. ;)

How do you pronounce that?
And yes, a lot of it is. She has essentially the same policies as Bernie Sanders, a similar (if less extreme) personality, and is younger, yet Bernie is considered a strong candidate by many. The only thing working against her is a years-old "scandal" that a shitload of regular Americans have done and her gender.
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Postby Cekoviu » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:01 pm

Galloism wrote:
Irenton wrote:In what way? I'm not going to write a pair of essays on the ideas of "SJWs" and Fascists

SJWs:

We should discriminate freely against anyone who we believe has been historically privileged, and they would just suck it up and deal with racism or sexism because we're doing it for the "oppressed class".

Far-Right:

Quit that shit. Also, let's get rid of all the muslims and hispanic people because that will solve all our problems.

Very accurate depictions, yes. This doesn't lack nuance or accuracy at all, and it definitely isn't designed to apply to one specific country.
Saiwania wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Also, didn't you vote for Hillary? I could've sworn I remembered you saying that.


Its a big regret. I couldn't appreciate how good Trump could be. I'd say I'm a rare example of someone going from Never Trump to embracing Trump fully.

Excuse me while I vomit.
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Postby Saiwania » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:01 pm

Cekoviu wrote:How do you pronounce that?
And yes, a lot of it is. She has essentially the same policies as Bernie Sanders, a similar (if less extreme) personality, and is younger, yet Bernie is considered a strong candidate by many. The only thing working against her is a years-old "scandal" that a shitload of regular Americans have done and her gender.


There is plenty of reason to be wary of Warren being chosen however. She has a somewhat higher potential to be a boring candidate that won't do well. It'll be like the John Kerry campaign if she isn't careful. Trump has plenty of ammo and tricks he could use against her that might just work.
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:01 pm

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Postby Victorious Decepticons » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:01 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:Have you not heard the word of the superior gender?

The superior gender is agender robots.


Like im a big fan of women, but they got nothing on agender robots.


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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:02 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Also, didn't you vote for Hillary? I could've sworn I remembered you saying that.


Its a big regret. I couldn't appreciate how good Trump could be. I'd say I'm a rare example of someone going from Never Trump to embracing Trump fully.

He is a deluded nonsensical fuckwit who threw a temper tantrum and cancelled a visit to Denmark because they wouldnt sell him Greenland.

And that was just recently, he is a fucking shitstain of a president.
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Postby Irenton » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:02 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Also, didn't you vote for Hillary? I could've sworn I remembered you saying that.


Its a big regret. I couldn't appreciate how good Trump could be. I'd say I'm a rare example of someone going from Never Trump to embracing Trump fully.

I went the same, he's the perfect accelerationist candidate and he's messed up his country so badly that the revolution is inevitable
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:03 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Ueah, "misogyny" is the reason Warren is a hopeless candidate. ;)

How do you pronounce that?
And yes, a lot of it is. She has essentially the same policies as Bernie Sanders, a similar (if less extreme) personality, and is younger, yet Bernie is considered a strong candidate by many. The only thing working against her is a years-old "scandal" that a shitload of regular Americans have done and her gender.

Her lack of support is not due to sexism. Some leftists don't view her to be as principled as Bernie.

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Postby Cekoviu » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:03 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:How do you pronounce that?
And yes, a lot of it is. She has essentially the same policies as Bernie Sanders, a similar (if less extreme) personality, and is younger, yet Bernie is considered a strong candidate by many. The only thing working against her is a years-old "scandal" that a shitload of regular Americans have done and her gender.


There is plenty of reason to be wary of Warren being chosen however. She has a somewhat higher potential to be a boring candidate that won't do well. It'll be like the John Kerry campaign if she isn't careful. Trump has plenty of ammo and tricks he could use against her that might just work.

Warren is passionate and energetic. She is only considered boring because she's an old lady, not because of her actual actions and words (which heavily contradict that).
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:03 pm

Voting just because of the gender? Nope. We've to vote according to our conscience in regards to the issues that are brought upon by the candidates and their political stance on them.

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Postby Qara-Tumen Khanate » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:03 pm

No, policy not gender should determine one's vote. More women should be in office, obviously, but a candidate is an individual and must be judged on the merit of their beliefs, plans, and history.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:04 pm

If we accept that it's okay to vote for someone solely based on their race, ethnicity, religion, or gender, then I don't want to hear anyone complain when I say I will only vote for white, English-speaking Protestant men with 5+ generation roots in the Northern United States.
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Postby Cekoviu » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:04 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:How do you pronounce that?
And yes, a lot of it is. She has essentially the same policies as Bernie Sanders, a similar (if less extreme) personality, and is younger, yet Bernie is considered a strong candidate by many. The only thing working against her is a years-old "scandal" that a shitload of regular Americans have done and her gender.

Her lack of support is not due to sexism. Some leftists don't view her to be as principled as Bernie.

Leftists are not a significant enough group in this country to matter.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:04 pm

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Nova Cyberia wrote:This is radical centrism at its finest.

Oh fucking please get over yourself, im not a radical centrist but hey whatever.

It's a joke. I wasn't attacking you. Lighten up.
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Postby Luziyca » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:05 pm

Not as the sole reason, no. If they offer key policies that I agree with, or if they're the most viable choice against someone else (what with FPTP being the order of the day), I'm willing to support them.
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