Is the GOP Doomed?

[Fahran]

Point of order: the age of a policy is irrelevant.

Tradition has its uses. That said, the law can be a bit tricky. States aren't allowed to discriminate on the basis of race, color, previous condition of servitude, sex, or gender when it comes to voting, but I don't believe we have an amendment that makes voting an explicit right. We do have an amendment that makes bearing arms an explicit right.

https://democracyjournal.org/magazine/2 ... t-to-vote/

[Kowani]

“" In the same document, Henson proposed what he called the "Schurick Doctrine," which was designed to "promote confusion, emotionalism and frustration among African American Democrats."”

However, I’m going to refer you to the courts themselves-oh, wait, no. They’ve come down pretty heavily consistently on voter ID intended to suppress the vote.

A single document does not prove your assertion, especially as it is unrelated to your assertion of racist intent being voter ID.

The courts have come down on voter ID laws as being overly burdensome to the exercise of an enumerated right. If you can cite a majority court opinion striking them down as racist, that would marginally help your assertion. Though again, you're already lagging when it comes to proving that voter ID is racist in intention.

Here you go.

[Scomagia]

A single document does not prove your assertion, especially as it is unrelated to your assertion of racist intent being voter ID.

The courts have come down on voter ID laws as being overly burdensome to the exercise of an enumerated right. If you can cite a majority court opinion striking them down as racist, that would marginally help your assertion. Though again, you're already lagging when it comes to proving that voter ID is racist in intention.

Here you go.

Paywall.

[Kowani]

Here you go.

Paywall.

Open it in private mode.

[Greater Loegria]

Yes, it probably is.
Their refusal to accept the existential threat of climate change.
Their unquestioning faith in global free market capitalism (even though it is the enemy of traditional values held by the base)
Their demographic is shrinking

Demographics can change buddy.

Free market capitalism has given us all of our modern conveniences and a much higher quality of life. It is something to be stood by.

They can and they are. Not in the republicans favour. The democrats will continue to import voters from around the world whilst the largely progressive-leaning world of entertainment will lead each generation of youths into the hands of the democrats.

Capitalism as it exists today destroys small communities and businesses in favour of a global elite of jet setting neoliberal citizens of the world with no loyalty whatsoever to their kith and kin.

Fuck modern conveniences. Entire communities have had their beating hearts ripped out and auctioned off to places like India and China, but oh yes, that’s fine because we chat to fucking Siri on our phones.

[San Lumen]

Demographics can change buddy.

Free market capitalism has given us all of our modern conveniences and a much higher quality of life. It is something to be stood by.

They can and they are. Not in the republicans favour. The democrats will continue to import voters from around the world whilst the largely progressive-leaning world of entertainment will lead each generation of youths into the hands of the democrats.

Capitalism as it exists today destroys small communities and businesses in favour of a global elite of jet setting neoliberal citizens of the world with no loyalty whatsoever to their kith and kin.

Fuck modern conveniences. Entire communities have had their beating hearts ripped out and auctioned off to places like India and China, but oh yes, that’s fine because we chat to fucking Siri on our phones.

We could fix the latter if companies like Amazon and Google were building HQ's in Omaha or Louisville and not Northern Virginia and Queens places that dont need the investment

[Greater Loegria]

They can and they are. Not in the republicans favour. The democrats will continue to import voters from around the world whilst the largely progressive-leaning world of entertainment will lead each generation of youths into the hands of the democrats.

Capitalism as it exists today destroys small communities and businesses in favour of a global elite of jet setting neoliberal citizens of the world with no loyalty whatsoever to their kith and kin.

Fuck modern conveniences. Entire communities have had their beating hearts ripped out and auctioned off to places like India and China, but oh yes, that’s fine because we chat to fucking Siri on our phones.

We could fix the latter if companies like Amazon and Google were building HQ's in Omaha or Louisville and not Northern Virginia and Queens places that dont need the investment

Yes well for all the efforts of ‘right-on’ hippies that work for such companies they’ll always follow the money.

[San Lumen]

We could fix the latter if companies like Amazon and Google were building HQ's in Omaha or Louisville and not Northern Virginia and Queens places that dont need the investment

Yes well for all the efforts of ‘right-on’ hippies that work for such companies they’ll always follow the money.

I don’t follow

[Myrensis]

Point of order: the age of a policy is irrelevant.


You mean the historical implementation of voter ID having a racist application doesn’t say much? You might wanna take off those blinders.

But you haven't proven that. Again, all you've proven is a few handful of individuals who voted for or supported voter ID laws had racist motivations, which doesn't mean that the application of voter ID laws is institutionally-racist. One doesn't logically follow from the other.

Yeah, I mean it's not like the state of North Carolina got smacked down in Federal Court after admitting that they had pulled up research on minority voting habits and then specifically tailored the law to reject the forms of ID most commonly used by black voters and cut the early voting days most popular with them.

Conservatives are just genuinely concerned about a "problem" that is reported about as often as alien abduction and, in accordance with conservative principles, believe that immediate strict government intervention is the best solution.

[Nationalist Teksas]

Yes, the Orange Meanie Harumpft is finally finished.

[Purgatio]

But you haven't proven that. Again, all you've proven is a few handful of individuals who voted for or supported voter ID laws had racist motivations, which doesn't mean that the application of voter ID laws is institutionally-racist. One doesn't logically follow from the other.

Yeah, I mean it's not like the state of North Carolina got smacked down in Federal Court after admitting that they had pulled up research on minority voting habits and then specifically tailored the law to reject the forms of ID most commonly used by black voters and cut the early voting days most popular with them.

Conservatives are just genuinely concerned about a "problem" that is reported about as often as alien abduction and, in accordance with conservative principles, believe that immediate strict government intervention is the best solution.

The question of whether there was racially-discriminatory intent in the NC Voter ID law in question is a matter of factual inference, courts and judges are adept at deciding questions of legal interpretation but when making factual findings a court is simply the conclusive authority we have for making those findings but judges aren't more qualified at analysing facts than the rest of us, and the fact of the matter is pulling up research on the different voting habits based on race is not conclusive proof that that research was in itself conclusive or dispositive in drafting the terms of said legislation, nor does it demonstrate institutional racism in its specific application

[Kubra]

Nah they'll just switch places with the Democrats and the eternal dance will continue

[San Lumen]

Nah they'll just switch places with the Democrats and the eternal dance will continue

how when their base is declining?

[Kubra]

Nah they'll just switch places with the Democrats and the eternal dance will continue

how when their base is declining?

getting a new base of hip young progressives after the money goes the other side
The eternal dance continues

[San Lumen]

how when their base is declining?

getting a new base of hip young progressives after the money goes the other side
The eternal dance continues

I doubt the GOP will moderate anytime soon. They will merely keep trying to cheat in order to win hence why they are pulling stunts such as lawsuits to overturn independent redistricting commissions because they know under fair maps they would lose their majorities

[Fahran]

I doubt the GOP will moderate anytime soon. They will merely keep trying to cheat in order to win hence why they are pulling stunts such as lawsuits to overturn independent redistricting commissions because they know under fair maps they would lose their majorities

Frankly, they might not have to moderate on social issues if they continue becoming more populist on issues like neoliberalism and government intervention in the economy. We're also assuming that current demographic trends will result in a surplus of Democratic voters when that might not necessarily be true. The gradual acceptance of the descendants of Latin American immigrants into mainstream Anglophone society, mirroring what occurred with Irish and Italian immigrants, could well establish a new bastion of right-wing political support. We know that black and Latino voters are a lot less accepting of socially liberal positions than their middle-class white counterparts beyond issues immediately pertinent to them. And the DNC has been lurching off to the left.

[Zurkerx]

getting a new base of hip young progressives after the money goes the other side
The eternal dance continues

I doubt the GOP will moderate anytime soon. They will merely keep trying to cheat in order to win hence why they are pulling stunts such as lawsuits to overturn independent redistricting commissions because they know under fair maps they would lose their majorities

While true, Democrats don't play fairly either though to their benefit, more people are supportive of their ideals so they are less likely to do so in certain situations. After all, we've seen the gerrymandering case in Maryland as a prime example of that. But both parties are losing voters as people become "independents". However, unless the GOP moderates, their loses will begin to mount. Of course, once they realize they're losing, they'll implement changes but that's at least earliest 2020 if Trump is defeated or 10-15 years from now.

[Paddy O Fernature]

getting a new base of hip young progressives after the money goes the other side
The eternal dance continues

I doubt the GOP will moderate anytime soon. They will merely keep trying to cheat in order to win hence why they are pulling stunts such as lawsuits to overturn independent redistricting commissions because they know under fair maps they would lose their majorities

You act like the GOP is acting alone in a vacuum, and are conveniently overlooking the fact that the Dems do the exact same damn thing as well, yet again. Neither side is innocent in this game.

[San Lumen]

I doubt the GOP will moderate anytime soon. They will merely keep trying to cheat in order to win hence why they are pulling stunts such as lawsuits to overturn independent redistricting commissions because they know under fair maps they would lose their majorities

While true, Democrats don't play fairly either though to their benefit, more people are supportive of their ideals so they are less likely to do so in certain situations. After all, we've seen the gerrymandering case in Maryland as a prime example of that. But both parties are losing voters as people become "independents". However, unless the GOP moderates, their loses will begin to mount. Of course, once they realize they're losing, they'll implement changes but that's at least earliest 2020 if Trump is defeated or 10-15 years from now.

Gerrymandering should be outlawed. its not ok when Democrats do it either. However you never see instances where Republicans when the popular vote for State Legislature or Congress in a state but Democrats get more seats.

[The Grand Duchy Of Nova Capile]

The gradual acceptance of the descendants of Latin American immigrants into mainstream Anglophone society, mirroring what occurred with Irish and Italian immigrants, could well establish a new bastion of right-wing political support.

Unlikely on all accounts. Minority voters are not nearly as socially conservative as you might imagine, and, as I have argued before, the assimilation of Latinos by White Americans is extremely unlikely. If Latinos are to be considered white, we might as well do away with the concept of race altogether and just embrace an "American" ethnic identity.

We know that black and Latino voters are a lot less accepting of socially liberal positions than their middle-class white counterparts beyond issues immediately pertinent to them. And the DNC has been lurching off to the left.

You can't have it both ways. Latinos can't seamlessly assimilate into white culture and maintain significantly different views from White Americans. Which is it?

Besides that, according to this poll, black voters are 67% in favor of legal abortion, and Hispanic voters are 46% in favor. Since the mainstream media is, at least in the field of social issues, very progressive (just watch any random new Netflix series), I predict these numbers will only grow. Especially if you consider how much more liberal on social issues America has become in the last few decades. Gay marriage, abortion, and now the trans-movement have all seen widespread acceptance in a relatively short timespan. The acceptance of these previously taboo movements seems to me to happen so fast that those who object barely have time to react before a new issue is at the forefront, meaning they must shift their efforts from confronting the original issue to confronting the new one, and the original issue is gradually forgotten about and begrudgingly accepted (see gay rights and abortion being replaced by trans-rights as the most discussed social issue).

In any case, according to the poll, both Latinos and blacks believe social issues to be the least of their concerns, instead pointing to the economy as the critical campaign issue. So I highly doubt many will be voting for Republicans out of concern for social issues.

[Tobleste]

Yeah, I mean it's not like the state of North Carolina got smacked down in Federal Court after admitting that they had pulled up research on minority voting habits and then specifically tailored the law to reject the forms of ID most commonly used by black voters and cut the early voting days most popular with them.

Conservatives are just genuinely concerned about a "problem" that is reported about as often as alien abduction and, in accordance with conservative principles, believe that immediate strict government intervention is the best solution.

The question of whether there was racially-discriminatory intent in the NC Voter ID law in question is a matter of factual inference, courts and judges are adept at deciding questions of legal interpretation but when making factual findings a court is simply the conclusive authority we have for making those findings but judges aren't more qualified at analysing facts than the rest of us, and the fact of the matter is pulling up research on the different voting habits based on race is not conclusive proof that that research was in itself conclusive or dispositive in drafting the terms of said legislation, nor does it demonstrate institutional racism in its specific application

What would be proof? The people doing it telling you it's racist? Racists tend to also lie about it.

[Lower Nubia]

40 years ago people moved between parties, that effect is no longer observed, as younger generations no longer align with any if the GOP’s policies. Even as they get older and become homeowners and business owners, the GOP will begin to lose the vote share as the older generations die off. It’s good too.

We know this, the Republicans haven’t won the popular vote in decades.

[San Lumen]

40 years ago people moved between parties, that effect is no longer observed, as younger generations no longer align with any if the GOP’s policies. Even as they get older and become homeowners and business owners, the GOP will begin to lose the vote share as the older generations die off. It’s good too.

We know this, the Republicans haven’t won the popular vote in decades.

They deserve to lose massively on their denial of climate change and science alone.

Republicans continue to fight fair electoral maps because they know they can win by getting less votes because under fair maps they would lose their unfairly gotten majorities. You never see Democrats getting less votes and getting more seats in Congress or State legislatures.

[Paddy O Fernature]

40 years ago people moved between parties, that effect is no longer observed, as younger generations no longer align with any if the GOP’s policies. Even as they get older and become homeowners and business owners, the GOP will begin to lose the vote share as the older generations die off. It’s good too.

We know this, the Republicans haven’t won the popular vote in decades.

They deserve to lose massively on their denial of climate change and science alone.

Republicans continue to fight fair electoral maps because they know they can win by getting less votes because under fair maps they would lose their unfairly gotten majorities. You never see Democrats getting less votes and getting more seats in Congress or State legislatures.

Oh here we go again.. everyone drink!

[Kubra]

getting a new base of hip young progressives after the money goes the other side
The eternal dance continues

I doubt the GOP will moderate anytime soon. They will merely keep trying to cheat in order to win hence why they are pulling stunts such as lawsuits to overturn independent redistricting commissions because they know under fair maps they would lose their majorities

I'm mostly making a joke about them having once been opposite parties