Desmond Napoles or how gender 'liberation' can lead to abuse

[Cannot think of a name]

No, the blind hysteria while you continue to code LGBT as associated with pedophilia despite there being no correlation. Trying to wrap prejudice in a concern for the children which has a long tradition.

You're not concerned for the children. You found a stick to beat people you hate with. Stop it.

Ah yes, I'm not concerned for children. But you who condone the sexualization of kids totally care about them.

Yes, I'm sure you care about the kids a lot. I'm sure you keep them very close.

Is your...let's call it an 'argument'...from here on out just going to be trying to imply I diddle kids?

[Nova Cyberia]

Ah yes, I'm not concerned for children. But you who condone the sexualization of kids totally care about them.

Yes, I'm sure you care about the kids a lot. I'm sure you keep them very close.

Is your...let's call it an 'argument'...from here on out just going to be trying to imply I diddle kids?

Mm, maybe more that you just condone it and excuse it. So not much better, really.

Even if you don't diddle them you're still the type of person who all parents should keep their kids away from.

[Cannot think of a name]

Well, what do you expect when you get the willfully ignorant and deliberately misleading people who say "Hey? What's wrong with an 11-year old kid going to a gay bar and shaking his ass for grown men?"

The problem is that this type of behavior is him imitating women - shaking his ass, acting like a woman, merely for men's amusement. This reinforces patriarchy, and the notion that women are objects for men's amusement, and diminishes all women.

It's not just "one kid dancing on stage for a bunch of adults", it's a reinforcement mechanism whereby patriarchal notions of female subservience to male gaze and titillation are reinforced.

I feel like this might be a bit but unironically is a way more interesting conversation to have.

[Radfems Inc]

Ah yes, I'm not concerned for children. But you who condone the sexualization of kids totally care about them.

Yes, I'm sure you care about the kids a lot. I'm sure you keep them very close.

Is your...let's call it an 'argument'...from here on out just going to be trying to imply I diddle kids?

You don't have to personally diddle kids or even necessarily support it in order to reinforce sexist notions regarding women by not seeing this for what it is and trying to argue it's not a problem - men imitating women dancing for the sexual titillation of men.

Nova is off base to imply you're a kiddy diddler, but combating toxic masculinity requires doing more than "'hey, I don't diddle kids". It requires active work to fight against all the social undercurrents by which abuse of women and girls is tolerated and excused, including by such "mild" measures as this. It normalizes abuse of and violence against women and girls, and that's not ok.

[Cannot think of a name]

Is your...let's call it an 'argument'...from here on out just going to be trying to imply I diddle kids?

Mm, maybe more that you just condone it and excuse it. So not much better, really.

Even if you don't diddle them you're still the type of person who all parents should keep their kids away from.

Yeah, okay. You have fun with that. Not going to be shamed into prejudices though.

[Nova Cyberia]

Mm, maybe more that you just condone it and excuse it. So not much better, really.

Even if you don't diddle them you're still the type of person who all parents should keep their kids away from.

Yeah, okay. You have fun with that. Not going to be shamed into prejudices though.

Wait, wait. Thinking pedophiles are bad is a prejudice?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Can we not bandy around accusations/implying of condoning child rape?

[Ifreann]

Is your...let's call it an 'argument'...from here on out just going to be trying to imply I diddle kids?

Mm, maybe more that you just condone it and excuse it. So not much better, really.

Even if you don't diddle them you're still the type of person who all parents should keep their kids away from.

Behold, friends, Elon Musk is among us. All who oppose him are paedophiles.

[Ifreann]

Can we not bandy around accusations/implying of condoning child rape?

Don't be silly, that's the whole point of this thread. I'm surprised it took this long.

[Nova Cyberia]

Mm, maybe more that you just condone it and excuse it. So not much better, really.

Even if you don't diddle them you're still the type of person who all parents should keep their kids away from.

Behold, friends, Elon Musk is among us. All who oppose him are paedophiles.

I'm a billionaire who launches electric cars into space?

I'm unironically fine with this.

[Nova Cyberia]

Can we not bandy around accusations/implying of condoning child rape?

Well, when you get the Helen Keller types who're blind and deaf and pretend that there's nothing wrong with pre-teens dancing at gay bars there's really only so many logical conclusions to come to.

[Aclion]

Is your...let's call it an 'argument'...from here on out just going to be trying to imply I diddle kids?

I mean if you defend pedophiles you should not expect people to not bring that up. And since it's so abhorrent most people are just going t assume you defend it because your are one. Personally I don't think you're a pedophile. I just think you're willing to defend pedophiles because they anger conservatives and you see angering conservatives as worth the cost of children being sexually exploited.

[Cannot think of a name]

Is your...let's call it an 'argument'...from here on out just going to be trying to imply I diddle kids?

I mean if you defend pedophiles

Gonna stop you right there. Have done no such thing.

[Uiiop]

This thread is a bundle of joy just like the last one.

sigh.
I see where everyone else is coming from but what’s there is too ambiguous to completely dismiss CTOAN’s side of this.
It does read like a performance sneaking in pedophila by the law. It also just reads like someone just dancing like a rockstar in a bar which due to the links between non-pop drag(not saying all of this type of drag is like that but connections exist) and stripping made a poor choice of image.

I don’t which it is. It isn’t really a good thing either way.

[Radfems Inc]

The problem is that this type of behavior is him imitating women - shaking his ass, acting like a woman, merely for men's amusement. This reinforces patriarchy, and the notion that women are objects for men's amusement, and diminishes all women.

It's not just "one kid dancing on stage for a bunch of adults", it's a reinforcement mechanism whereby patriarchal notions of female subservience to male gaze and titillation are reinforced.

I feel like this might be a bit but unironically is a way more interesting conversation to have.

Americans sometimes use some confusing grammar. I had to read this like 5 times.

Regardless of what you think about me, this is an interesting conversation to have. I'm surprised no one brought it up before (at least, not within the last several pages). The normalization of fetishization of young girls, even using young boys as "stand in proxies" because we've started to push back against the fetishization of young girls, is a symptom of a society that once again serves to give everything to men's gaze, even when it's unethical, immoral, and abusive, taking no account of the victims of the "arrangement".

[Cannot think of a name]

I feel like this might be a bit but unironically is a way more interesting conversation to have.

Americans sometimes use some confusing grammar. I had to read this like 5 times.

Regardless of what you think about me, this is an interesting conversation to have. I'm surprised no one brought it up before (at least, not within the last several pages). The normalization of fetishization of young girls, even using young boys as "stand in proxies" because we've started to push back against the fetishization of young girls, is a symptom of a society that once again serves to give everything to men's gaze, even when it's unethical, immoral, and abusive, taking no account of the victims of the "arrangement".

I don't know that you're going to find a lot of people here who have read Laura Mulvey.

[Aclion]

I mean if you defend pedophiles

Gonna stop you right there. Have done no such thing.

You've spend this whole thread running defense for a child strip show.

[Nova Cyberia]

I mean if you defend pedophiles

Gonna stop you right there. Have done no such thing.

Yes you have, fam. You're condoning a fucking kid shaking his ass in a gay bar.

You're defending pedophiles. And fucking doing it unironically too.

[Cannot think of a name]

Gonna stop you right there. Have done no such thing.

You've spend this whole thread running defense for a child strip show.

Not a strip show, a drag show. Drag is not stripping. Taking off a smock to reveal a costume is not stripping. "Wooo" does not equal boners. LGBT are not pedophiles. Children perform for adults all the time.

[Nova Cyberia]

You've spend this whole thread running defense for a child strip show.

Not a strip show, a drag show. Drag is not stripping. Taking off a smock to reveal a costume is not stripping. "Wooo" does not equal boners. LGBT are not pedophiles. Children perform for adults all the time.

Children don't usually shake their asses in gay bars.

But who cares about context?

[Cannot think of a name]

Gonna stop you right there. Have done no such thing.

Yes you have, fam. You're condoning a fucking kid shaking his ass in a gay bar.

You're defending pedophiles. And fucking doing it unironically too.

There is no legitimate connection between LGBT and pedophilia. You are using a mythological danger to children to marginalize people. It is bigotry. You're not going to shame me into bigotry.

[Aclion]

You've spend this whole thread running defense for a child strip show.

Not a strip show, a drag show. Drag is not stripping. Taking off a smock to reveal a costume is not stripping. "Wooo" does not equal boners. LGBT are not pedophiles. Children perform for adults all the time.

Going on stage and stripping is a strip show. It doesn't matter if the costume is drag.

Yes you have, fam. You're condoning a fucking kid shaking his ass in a gay bar.

You're defending pedophiles. And fucking doing it unironically too.

There is no legitimate connection between LGBT and pedophilia.

There's going to be if you keep using LGBT to shield pedophiles.

[Cannot think of a name]

Not a strip show, a drag show. Drag is not stripping. Taking off a smock to reveal a costume is not stripping. "Wooo" does not equal boners. LGBT are not pedophiles. Children perform for adults all the time.

Children don't usually shake their asses in gay bars.

But who cares about context?

He did a drag performance at a drag show. Drag is not sexual, it's camp.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Yes you have, fam. You're condoning a fucking kid shaking his ass in a gay bar.

You're defending pedophiles. And fucking doing it unironically too.

There is no legitimate connection between LGBT and pedophilia. You are using a mythological danger to children to marginalize people. It is bigotry. You're not going to shame me into bigotry.

The amusing part is he hasn't been trying to draw a connection between LGBT and pedophilia, he's just saying maybe kids shouldn't their asses for adults in gay bars. Yet for some odd reason you take issue with that.

[Cannot think of a name]

Not a strip show, a drag show. Drag is not stripping. Taking off a smock to reveal a costume is not stripping. "Wooo" does not equal boners. LGBT are not pedophiles. Children perform for adults all the time.

Going on stage and stripping is a strip show. It doesn't matter if the costume is drag.

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