The NS Mens Rights Thread

[United States of White America]

Well you don't get to indoctrinate people into your perversions.

You cannot make people gay. There is no "indoctrination."

I meant, you like porn and starred in porn. That is indoctrination. You're spreading porn to people.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

You cannot make people gay. There is no "indoctrination."

I meant, you like porn and starred in porn. That is indoctrination. You're spreading porn to people.

The only people who have seen the work I have been in were already searching for it, darling. You can't indoctrinate people into doing something they're already doing.

[United States of White America]

I meant, you like porn and starred in porn. That is indoctrination. You're spreading porn to people.

The only people who have seen the work I have been in were already searching for it, darling. You can't indoctrinate people into doing something they're already doing.

Whatever. You're an atheist. Also, I don't support women's or men's rights. I want to annihilate everything for God.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

The only people who have seen the work I have been in were already searching for it, darling. You can't indoctrinate people into doing something they're already doing.

Whatever. You're an atheist. Also, I don't support women's or men's rights. I want to annihilate everything for God.

I'm a Muslim.

[United States of White America]

Whatever. You're an atheist. Also, I don't support women's or men's rights. I want to annihilate everything for God.

I'm a Muslim.

How can you be a Muslim and fornicate on film? Allah would strike you down.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

I'm a Muslim.

How can you be a Muslim and fornicate on film? Allah would strike you down.

First of all you are going to need a timeline of my life before you can say dumb shit like that. And second, God has no interest in smiting people over something as meaningless as sex.

[Grave_n_idle]

Do you the think militant feminism has any correlation in the huge rise in bisexual and lesbian women?

Militant feminism?

No, that's silly.

I very much doubt that the proportion of gay and bisexual women has changed - although more of them may be willing to 'come out', now.

And no, I don't think that's related to feminism (militant or otherwise) - in fact, quite the contrary.

[Grave_n_idle]

Well you don't get to control others so

Well you don't get to indoctrinate people into your perversions.

I'm always fascinated by people suggesting that gayness is something you can be indoctrinated into.

[Ashkera]

Well you don't get to indoctrinate people into your perversions.

I'm always fascinated by people suggesting that gayness is something you can be indoctrinated into.

Honestly I think this is trolling, even though there are people that believe it.

I have never been interested in being gay with my own sex, so the claim always felt weirdly hollow to me. No amount of "indoctrination" could change that.

Bisexuality being suppressed among males could be the source of the claim.

[Grave_n_idle]

I'm always fascinated by people suggesting that gayness is something you can be indoctrinated into.

Honestly I think this is trolling, even though there are people that believe it.

I have never been interested in being gay with my own sex, so the claim always felt weirdly hollow to me. No amount of "indoctrination" could change that.

Bisexuality being suppressed among males could be the source of the claim.

It certainly could - and I can see how being exposed to a more accepting (sub)culture could allow people that were already either bisexual or closeted gay to be more open about their sexuality.

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

Honestly I think this is trolling, even though there are people that believe it.

I have never been interested in being gay with my own sex, so the claim always felt weirdly hollow to me. No amount of "indoctrination" could change that.

Bisexuality being suppressed among males could be the source of the claim.

It certainly could - and I can see how being exposed to a more accepting (sub)culture could allow people that were already either bisexual or closeted gay to be more open about their sexuality.

I wasn't open about my pansexuality until a few months ago, when I came out as both atheist and pansexual to my parents.

[New Grestin]

Absolutely. Everyone should be free to express their sexuality.

No, they shouldn't.

Anytime a homophobe shows up in NSG, all I can imagine is this.

[The Cobalt Sky]

I'm a Muslim.

How can you be a Muslim and fornicate on film? Allah would strike you down.

How can you be a Christian and get drunk off the fruit of the vine?

Those are a good question.

gRamMaR!

There are "other factors at play" when it comes to the acceptance of non-straight sexualities. We can identify in particular the gay rights movement, and the work of psychologists who have seen that being gay isn't a mental disease - going all the way back to the days of Freud, in fact. Those movements and psychologists, however, have attended to the acceptance of non-heterosexual orientations for both men and women. They cannot explain the asymmetry.

On the other hand, feminists have very specifically fought on behalf of the right of women to chose to not be with men, and also to seek out and participate in same-sex relationships; and it is specifically following the second wave of feminist activism that we began to see a sharp rise in the visibility of female non-heterosexuality.

Interesting... I'm inclined to believe you but do you have a source for this?

So feminists tried to help deregulate female sexuality, and female sexuality was deregulated in the wake of their efforts to deregulate female sexuality, with a conspicuous lack of other suspects. In addition to feminism having the means, motive, and opportunity, however, it is worth noting that feminism is similarly implicated in other related cases, e.g., the loosening of strictures on norms tied to women's clothing without a corresponding loosening in strictures on norms tied to male clothing, and the rise in a "new" sexual double standard regarding promiscuity (which now rivals the "traditional" sexual double standard in its popularity).

I don't know if I'm wrong, but I never really liked promiscuity to begin with, male or female. Maybe that will change about me sooner or later, but I have no idea.

(Diverse clothing worn by men or diverse sexualities expressed by men are not as widely accepted; in the case of promiscuity, men's promiscuity is now viewed roughly as negatively as women's, while men face additional shaming for lack of promiscuity from more quarters than women do in an increasingly cruel social catch-22.)

I wonder, however, what factors play into what determines one's sexual orientation?

[Benuty]

Well you don't get to indoctrinate people into your perversions.

You cannot make people gay. There is no "indoctrination."

Silly Stagnant, don't you know diehard fundamentalists acknowledge the techniques spawned by the religiously illiterate, and openly hostile to religious beliefs followers of Freud?

Why else would gay conversion therapy be so Homoerotic?

[Benuty]

How can you be a Muslim and fornicate on film? Allah would strike you down.

How can you be a Christian and get drunk off the fruit of the vine?

Better yet why are they casting the first stone?

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

How can you be a Muslim and fornicate on film? Allah would strike you down.

How can you be a Christian and get drunk off the fruit of the vine?

I mean, lets ignore the fact that I did porn prior to becoming Muslim. There are countless Christians who do paid and unpaid pornography. Just because someone recognizes their religion speaks against something, does not mean they believe it to be the worst of all sins, nor are they absolutely bound to never sinning. I respect all people who live and let live, even if they do something that goes against their religion.

[Benuty]

The only people who have seen the work I have been in were already searching for it, darling. You can't indoctrinate people into doing something they're already doing.

Whatever. You're an atheist. Also, I don't support women's or men's rights. I want to annihilate everything for God.

So you admit to being a murderer?

[Salus Maior]

Speaking as a man, I have all the rights I need.

[Salus Maior]

Whatever. You're an atheist. Also, I don't support women's or men's rights. I want to annihilate everything for God.

Err.... "For God so loved the world...."

Basically, kinda the wrong mindset for a Christian to have according to God and Christ themselves. But I suppose this discussion is for another thread.

[Benuty]

Whatever. You're an atheist. Also, I don't support women's or men's rights. I want to annihilate everything for God.

Err.... "For God so loved the world...."

Basically, kinda the wrong mindset for a Christian to have according to God and Christ themselves. But I suppose this discussion is for another thread.

Hey you go out big or go out broke.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/omnicide

[Idzequitch]

Speaking as a man, I have all the rights I need.

Yet there are still areas that still need vast improvement. When a male gets raped, for one.

[Salus Maior]

Hey you go out big or go out broke.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/omnicide

Well, he did say he wanted to annihilate EVERYTHING not just humanity so we should probably come up with a new word for that

Speaking as a man, I have all the rights I need.

Yet there are still areas that still need vast improvement. When a male gets raped, for one.

I suppose that at least needs some work.

[The Cobalt Sky]

How can you be a Christian and get drunk off the fruit of the vine?

Better yet why are they casting the first stone?

Exactly! Although throwing rocks is pretty fun.

How can you be a Christian and get drunk off the fruit of the vine?

I mean, lets ignore the fact that I did porn prior to becoming Muslim. There are countless Christians who do paid and unpaid pornography. Just because someone recognizes their religion speaks against something, does not mean they believe it to be the worst of all sins, nor are they absolutely bound to never sinning. I respect all people who live and let live, even if they do something that goes against their religion.

Yes.

[Haktiva]

An interesting article on how male's learn in single sex and coed classes, as well as girls later on

We hear a lot about women being at a disadvantage in school, at least when it comes to STEM fields(because of choice for the most part), but there's also been talk about how guys are doing worse in school across the board. As discussed in the article above, most schools tend to prefer female or girlish behavior because on average it's more calm and not boisterous, willing to cooperate. Sadly, this isn't how most boys learn very well. Being stuck in a classroom for hours on end and not being allowed to be boys stifles them, to put it in simple terms.

The article also shows an experiment where in one school where the teachers all had the same credentials(and I'm assuming in the sex-segregated classrooms they were the same genders of their students) and were taught the same material, boys and girls performed better in same-sex classrooms than students in a coed classroom(though girls still outperformed boys in the coed classroom).

I would actually support any school that had such classes, whatever helps the student learn better. All boy's schools and all girl schools seem to work.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

An interesting article on how male's learn in single sex and coed classes, as well as girls later on

We hear a lot about women being at a disadvantage in school, at least when it comes to STEM fields(because of choice for the most part), but there's also been talk about how guys are doing worse in school across the board. As discussed in the article above, most schools tend to prefer female or girlish behavior because on average it's more calm and not boisterous, willing to cooperate. Sadly, this isn't how most boys learn very well. Being stuck in a classroom for hours on end and not being allowed to be boys stifles them, to put it in simple terms.

The article also shows an experiment where in one school where the teachers all had the same credentials(and I'm assuming in the sex-segregated classrooms they were the same genders of their students) and were taught the same material, boys and girls performed better in same-sex classrooms than students in a coed classroom(though girls still outperformed boys in the coed classroom).

I would actually support any school that had such classes, whatever helps the student learn better. All boy's schools and all girl schools seem to work.

Here's my question - are boys not learning as well in coed classrooms because biologically they are different, or because people raise their sons and daughters differently?

There is no proof that male and female brains actually work differently, so we have to assume that it is based on social teachings. We teach that "boys should be boys," and that often includes not enforcing patience and stillness, where in girls we demand them to be complacent and quiet. But if you look at young children who haven't yet had these things forced on them, it's not difficult to see that boy and girl children behave the same way. I used to work at a preschool where children were taught to play and act in ways other than gender stereotypes. There wasn't much difference in the students ability to grasp different ideas or lessons, and they all acted similar. Until, of course, you got to the older classrooms. There we began to see differences. The girls were obedient, the boys were defiant. The girls didn't speak much, where as the boys would talk your ear off.

So, I think, that maybe instead of necessitating single-sex classrooms or schools, perhaps we need a more intensive gender-neutral approach. Both for boys and girls.