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Greater Cesnica wrote:

Pacomia wrote:If only everyone saw things that way...

20 people answered Yes to the poll...

At least one of them did it accidentally, said so themselves.

Cekoviu wrote:

Greater Cesnica wrote:20 people answered Yes to the poll...

At least one of them did it accidentally, said so themselves.

It's also worded as "economically speaking" which might change the results.

Cekoviu wrote:

Greater Cesnica wrote:20 people answered Yes to the poll...

At least one of them did it accidentally, said so themselves.

Which is one of the things I hate about polls which don't allow you to change your vote

Andsed wrote:

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Ftfy

Saying it´s ¨Islamic slavery¨ does not change the fact that it is slavery and slavery is always a disgusting thing to do.

I hate when religion tries to justify slavery.

You wanna go back to slavery? Mate, we're looking towards automation. If anything, we need to address the future of employment and money in a post-automation world, rather then send ourselves backwards with slavery.

Australian rePublic wrote:

Cekoviu wrote:At least one of them did it accidentally, said so themselves.

Which is one of the things I hate about polls which don't allow you to change your vote

Almost like the poll was intentionally designed to be f*cky to trick people into choosing the wrong answer...

Rojava Free State wrote:

Andsed wrote:Saying it´s ¨Islamic slavery¨ does not change the fact that it is slavery and slavery is always a disgusting thing to do.

I hate when religion tries to justify slavery.

Bear in mind that most muslims have figured out ways to not have slavery. Amin is the exception.
If anything, he's the equivalent of the handful of nutjob pro-slavery Christian groups. And I'm excluding the explicitly racist ones here.

Rojava Free State wrote:

Andsed wrote:Saying it´s ¨Islamic slavery¨ does not change the fact that it is slavery and slavery is always a disgusting thing to do.

I hate when religion tries to justify slavery.

If anything, El-Amin is doing a disservice to Islam by trying to defend stuff like this. Especially by associating 'Islamic' to concepts like slavery.

Diopolis wrote:

Rojava Free State wrote:
I hate when religion tries to justify slavery.

Bear in mind that most muslims have figured out ways to not have slavery. Amin is the exception.

Most don't have slaves so this doesn't make sense.

Greater Cesnica wrote:

Rojava Free State wrote:
I hate when religion tries to justify slavery.

If anything, El-Amin is doing a disservice to Islam by trying to defend stuff like this. Especially by associating 'Islamic' to concepts like slavery.

So you think Al-Islam makes slavery Haraam?

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:

Greater Cesnica wrote:If anything, El-Amin is doing a disservice to Islam by trying to defend stuff like this. Especially by associating 'Islamic' to concepts like slavery.

So you think Al-Islam makes slavery Haraam?

If it is truly moral yes it should denounce and completely outlaw slavery.

Diopolis wrote:

Rojava Free State wrote:
I hate when religion tries to justify slavery.

Bear in mind that most muslims have figured out ways to not have slavery. Amin is the exception.

Amin wants to legalize/normalize archaic and outdated practices like slavery and jihad just because it was permitted in Islam. Did you know that the Bible condones rape on dozens of occasions? Do modern Christians condone rape? No! And I'm pretty sure most Muslims don't condone slavery.

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:

Diopolis wrote:Bear in mind that most muslims have figured out ways to not have slavery. Amin is the exception.

Most don't have slaves so this doesn't make sense.

#freeslavesofelamin

Did anyone else do a double take when they read the title?

Greater Cesnica wrote:

Diopolis wrote:Bear in mind that most muslims have figured out ways to not have slavery. Amin is the exception.

Amin wants to legalize/normalize archaic and outdated practices like slavery and jihad just because it was permitted in Islam. Did you know that the Bible condones rape on dozens of occasions? Do modern Christians condone rape? No! And I'm pretty sure most Muslims don't condone slavery.

Where exactly does the Bible condone rape?

It actually mandates death by stoning for the rapist...

Greater Cesnica wrote:

Diopolis wrote:Bear in mind that most muslims have figured out ways to not have slavery. Amin is the exception.

Amin wants to legalize/normalize archaic and outdated practices like slavery and jihad just because it was permitted in Islam. Did you know that the Bible condones rape on dozens of occasions? Do modern Christians condone rape? No!

No, just a host of other bad acts. Lets not pretend christianity has cleaner hands than islam.

Nantoraka wrote:Did anyone else do a double take when they read the title?

Aye, I had to as well.

I'll be brief with this. If the cost of starting up, I believe the term is capital is at an acceptable price, if corporations and people did not sufficiently oppose it, and cheapness of labor offsets it's issues and increases profits it is possible if legal that slaves would be used. However people who are homeless don't benefit from enslavement any further than they can if they had a job of the workimg poor, being property doesn't mean you are ensured a home and if it does it comes at a loss if they already had that job or in comparison to giving them a job that doesn't increase their stamdard of living. If slavery makes you pay more and get the same or worse productivity than it eats at profits right? And that's bad for business. Jail for homelessness would be a better argument.

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:

Greater Cesnica wrote:If anything, El-Amin is doing a disservice to Islam by trying to defend stuff like this. Especially by associating 'Islamic' to concepts like slavery.

So you think Al-Islam makes slavery Haraam?

Why did you turn to Islam in the first way?

Eternal Lotharia wrote:

Kernen wrote:No, just a host of other bad acts. Lets not pretend christianity has cleaner hands than islam.

As a Christian I say it does.

The mass rapes, looting, murders of the Crusades? The persecution of scientists in the Middle Ages? Hello?

United Muscovite Nations wrote:

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Ftfy

You know, putting the word "Islamic" in front of horrible things doesn't make it better.

Its like saying ""Islamic" rape". Though, something tells me Amin would think that's less bad than "regular" rape, too. So lets go with something even he would acknowledge is universally bad.

Its like saying ""Islamic" robbery".

Nea Byzantia wrote:

Greater Cesnica wrote:Amin wants to legalize/normalize archaic and outdated practices like slavery and jihad just because it was permitted in Islam. Did you know that the Bible condones rape on dozens of occasions? Do modern Christians condone rape? No! And I'm pretty sure most Muslims don't condone slavery.

Where exactly does the Bible condone rape?

It actually mandates death by stoning for the rapist...

Old Testament.

Eternal Lotharia wrote:

Kernen wrote:No, just a host of other bad acts. Lets not pretend christianity has cleaner hands than islam.

As a Christian I say it does.

Eh...Not really. Christianity has a fairly checkered history on the matter.

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:

Cekoviu wrote:Again, there is not a functionally important difference. Islamic slavery is STILL slavery.

Nova Cyberia wrote:Still slavery.

I never said it wasn't.

Then stop acting like being "Islamic" makes it better.

Eternal Lotharia wrote:

Kernen wrote:No, just a host of other bad acts. Lets not pretend christianity has cleaner hands than islam.

As a Christian I say it does.

You've a fair amount of bias. As an adherent of neither, I genuinely cannot make a moral differentiation between modern christians and modern muslims.