Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ

[Experina]

not what i asked. I asked about the height restriction on menorahs.

According to the Chabad website it’s 31ft and no more. But i don’t know who would build a 31ft tall menorah. Seems absurd.

Am I the only one who wants to build a 25 meter tall menorah?

[Kerwa]

I am curious: does an inflatable menorah actually count as a menorah? I mean, as it it’s just a decoration and not used for any religious purpose, can’t it be any height? Doesn’t the same apply to electrically lit ones?

Also, are there any requirements as to what the menorah is made of?

Just wondering because there’s always a huge one in Riverdale.

[Thermodolia]

I am curious: does an inflatable menorah actually count as a menorah? I mean, as it it’s just a decoration and not used for any religious purpose, can’t it be any height? Doesn’t the same apply to electrically lit ones?

The height requirement is 31ft, it can’t be taller than that. Good luck finding an inflatable menorah that’s 32ft tall.

And electric lit ones can be used so long as you are able to light the menorah one by one on each night.

Interestingly the 31ft rule also applies to regular sized menorahs in window sills. For if you live somewhere where your window sill is above 31ft you can’t put the menorahs on the window sill.

Also, are there any requirements as to what the menorah is made of?

Nope. Can be made of literally anything.

Just wondering because there’s always a huge one in Riverdale.

It’s still probably under 32ft.

[Thermodolia]

In time I actually found this.

How is everyone doing today? Hanukkuh is very soon!

My wife bought me this for the lawn


https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71iyKTF434L.jpg

Clearly I married the right woman

I need the link for that, and the rabbi t-Rex.

Right now all I got are some inflatable penguins sitting around a fire.

[La Xinga]

not what i asked. I asked about the height restriction on menorahs.

According to the Chabad website it’s 31ft and no more. But i don’t know who would build a 31ft tall menorah. Seems absurd.

It's not "a 32-foot menorah", but rather a menorah "20 amos above the street". If someone lives more than 20 amos above the street, and one cannot place it anywhere else, it is better for him to put it by his door than by the window. ¹

In fact, I'm not so sure if a 50-foot menorah would be pasul at all. The Mishnah Berurah² says that the reason why one cannot light a menorah higher than 20 amos is because "דלא שלטא ביה עינא" - a menorah placed at such a height cannot be seen by the ordinary passerby, which does not fulfill pirsumei nisa - publicizing the נס.
Where does the term "דלא שלטא ביה עינא" originate? In Sukkah, where one of the reasons given for a sukkah higher than 20 amos being pasul is "דלא שלטא ביה עינא", stated by Rabbah.³ Rebbi Yoshiah clarifies Rabbah's position on the other side of the page, saying that Rabbah said his ruling only in regards to sukkos where the walls do not reach the schach, but in sukkos where they do, "even higher than 20 amos would be kosher". The gemara says this is because, where sukkos reach the schach, peoples' eyes will follow the walls up to the schach.⁴
Why shouldn't the same apply for a 50-foot high menorah, where one's eyes will follow up the massive structure to the top? I will ask someone more qualified than me this question.

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_{1: Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 139:8
2: M.B. 671:28
3: Sukkah 2a
4: Sukkah 2b}

Also, are there any requirements as to what the menorah is made of?

Nope. Can be made of literally anything.

While this is true, it's better to me made of a formal material, and silver is especially good for "one who has the means".¹

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_{1: Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 139:5}

And electric lit ones can be used so long as you are able to light the menorah one by one on each night.

Are you sure about that? I'm no posek, but most sources appear to indicate it wouldn't be kosher.

[Fahran]

Chag urim sameach!

[Thermodolia]

According to the Chabad website it’s 31ft and no more. But i don’t know who would build a 31ft tall menorah. Seems absurd.

It's not "a 32-foot menorah", but rather a menorah "20 amos above the street". If someone lives more than 20 amos above the street, and one cannot place it anywhere else, it is better for him to put it by his door than by the window. ¹

Ya but nobody uses “Amos” which is why “feet” are used on the Chabad website.

Nope. Can be made of literally anything.

While this is true, it's better to me made of a formal material, and silver is especially good for "one who has the means".¹

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_{1: Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 139:5}

And electric lit ones can be used so long as you are able to light the menorah one by one on each night.

Are you sure about that? I'm no posek, but most sources appear to indicate it wouldn't be kosher.

Chabad on their website says it’s possible though not the best idea.

[La Xinga]

It's not "a 32-foot menorah", but rather a menorah "20 amos above the street". If someone lives more than 20 amos above the street, and one cannot place it anywhere else, it is better for him to put it by his door than by the window. ¹

Ya but nobody uses “Amos” which is why “feet” are used on the Chabad website.

Indeed, but that's not what I was trying to say.
(I'm not even quite sure how they got that number; wasn't there disagreement about how big an amah is?)

While this is true, it's better to me made of a formal material, and silver is especially good for "one who has the means".¹

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_{1: Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 139:5}

Are you sure about that? I'm no posek, but most sources appear to indicate it wouldn't be kosher.

Chabad on their website says it’s possible though not the best idea.

They say, "then in consultation with your rabbi you may be able to use some sort of battery-powered light for the menorah. However, in such a situation, you would still not make the actual blessings for lighting the menorah." They don't seem to quote a single posek who says one is able to.

It seems Chabad recieved most of their article from here, where I do not find anyone who claims that a menorah can be lit with such a method with the berachos, and it can only be used in exceptional circumstances without the berachos.

[San Lumen]

According to the Chabad website it’s 31ft and no more. But i don’t know who would build a 31ft tall menorah. Seems absurd.

It's not "a 32-foot menorah", but rather a menorah "20 amos above the street". If someone lives more than 20 amos above the street, and one cannot place it anywhere else, it is better for him to put it by his door than by the window. ¹

In fact, I'm not so sure if a 50-foot menorah would be pasul at all. The Mishnah Berurah² says that the reason why one cannot light a menorah higher than 20 amos is because "דלא שלטא ביה עינא" - a menorah placed at such a height cannot be seen by the ordinary passerby, which does not fulfill pirsumei nisa - publicizing the נס.
Where does the term "דלא שלטא ביה עינא" originate? In Sukkah, where one of the reasons given for a sukkah higher than 20 amos being pasul is "דלא שלטא ביה עינא", stated by Rabbah.³ Rebbi Yoshiah clarifies Rabbah's position on the other side of the page, saying that Rabbah said his ruling only in regards to sukkos where the walls do not reach the schach, but in sukkos where they do, "even higher than 20 amos would be kosher". The gemara says this is because, where sukkos reach the schach, peoples' eyes will follow the walls up to the schach.⁴
Why shouldn't the same apply for a 50-foot high menorah, where one's eyes will follow up the massive structure to the top? I will ask someone more qualified than me this question.

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_{1: Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 139:8
2: M.B. 671:28
3: Sukkah 2a
4: Sukkah 2b}

Nope. Can be made of literally anything.

While this is true, it's better to me made of a formal material, and silver is especially good for "one who has the means".¹

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_{1: Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 139:5}

And electric lit ones can be used so long as you are able to light the menorah one by one on each night.

Are you sure about that? I'm no posek, but most sources appear to indicate it wouldn't be kosher.

the more you know. *plays music.

[La Xinga]

It's not "a 32-foot menorah", but rather a menorah "20 amos above the street". If someone lives more than 20 amos above the street, and one cannot place it anywhere else, it is better for him to put it by his door than by the window. ¹

In fact, I'm not so sure if a 50-foot menorah would be pasul at all. The Mishnah Berurah² says that the reason why one cannot light a menorah higher than 20 amos is because "דלא שלטא ביה עינא" - a menorah placed at such a height cannot be seen by the ordinary passerby, which does not fulfill pirsumei nisa - publicizing the נס.
Where does the term "דלא שלטא ביה עינא" originate? In Sukkah, where one of the reasons given for a sukkah higher than 20 amos being pasul is "דלא שלטא ביה עינא", stated by Rabbah.³ Rebbi Yoshiah clarifies Rabbah's position on the other side of the page, saying that Rabbah said his ruling only in regards to sukkos where the walls do not reach the schach, but in sukkos where they do, "even higher than 20 amos would be kosher". The gemara says this is because, where sukkos reach the schach, peoples' eyes will follow the walls up to the schach.⁴
Why shouldn't the same apply for a 50-foot high menorah, where one's eyes will follow up the massive structure to the top? I will ask someone more qualified than me this question.

---

_{1: Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 139:8
2: M.B. 671:28
3: Sukkah 2a
4: Sukkah 2b}

While this is true, it's better to me made of a formal material, and silver is especially good for "one who has the means".¹

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_{1: Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 139:5}

Are you sure about that? I'm no posek, but most sources appear to indicate it wouldn't be kosher.

the more you know. *plays music.

The name "Bernstein" seems to suggest the dude who made the rainbow comet was a Jew.

[Bradfordville]

https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/loc ... n-detroit/

Off topic from the post but what an unfortunate name for the event.

Menorah in the D.
If I had no context on this event, I'd advise all Jewish men to be extremely careful at this ceremony.

[Neutraligon]

According to the Chabad website it’s 31ft and no more. But i don’t know who would build a 31ft tall menorah. Seems absurd.

It's not "a 32-foot menorah", but rather a menorah "20 amos above the street". If someone lives more than 20 amos above the street, and one cannot place it anywhere else, it is better for him to put it by his door than by the window. ¹

In fact, I'm not so sure if a 50-foot menorah would be pasul at all. The Mishnah Berurah² says that the reason why one cannot light a menorah higher than 20 amos is because "דלא שלטא ביה עינא" - a menorah placed at such a height cannot be seen by the ordinary passerby, which does not fulfill pirsumei nisa - publicizing the נס.
Where does the term "דלא שלטא ביה עינא" originate? In Sukkah, where one of the reasons given for a sukkah higher than 20 amos being pasul is "דלא שלטא ביה עינא", stated by Rabbah.³ Rebbi Yoshiah clarifies Rabbah's position on the other side of the page, saying that Rabbah said his ruling only in regards to sukkos where the walls do not reach the schach, but in sukkos where they do, "even higher than 20 amos would be kosher". The gemara says this is because, where sukkos reach the schach, peoples' eyes will follow the walls up to the schach.⁴
Why shouldn't the same apply for a 50-foot high menorah, where one's eyes will follow up the massive structure to the top? I will ask someone more qualified than me this question.

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_{1: Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 139:8
2: M.B. 671:28
3: Sukkah 2a
4: Sukkah 2b}

Nope. Can be made of literally anything.

While this is true, it's better to me made of a formal material, and silver is especially good for "one who has the means".¹

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_{1: Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 139:5}

And electric lit ones can be used so long as you are able to light the menorah one by one on each night.

Are you sure about that? I'm no posek, but most sources appear to indicate it wouldn't be kosher.

I live well over 32ft up, but since my entire apartment except my kitchen is carpeted I have no real choice where to put it. THere is carpet near the door so can't really put it there. I would assume they make exceptions for safety and the like.

[Almighty Biden]

It's not "a 32-foot menorah", but rather a menorah "20 amos above the street". If someone lives more than 20 amos above the street, and one cannot place it anywhere else, it is better for him to put it by his door than by the window. ¹

In fact, I'm not so sure if a 50-foot menorah would be pasul at all. The Mishnah Berurah² says that the reason why one cannot light a menorah higher than 20 amos is because "דלא שלטא ביה עינא" - a menorah placed at such a height cannot be seen by the ordinary passerby, which does not fulfill pirsumei nisa - publicizing the נס.
Where does the term "דלא שלטא ביה עינא" originate? In Sukkah, where one of the reasons given for a sukkah higher than 20 amos being pasul is "דלא שלטא ביה עינא", stated by Rabbah.³ Rebbi Yoshiah clarifies Rabbah's position on the other side of the page, saying that Rabbah said his ruling only in regards to sukkos where the walls do not reach the schach, but in sukkos where they do, "even higher than 20 amos would be kosher". The gemara says this is because, where sukkos reach the schach, peoples' eyes will follow the walls up to the schach.⁴
Why shouldn't the same apply for a 50-foot high menorah, where one's eyes will follow up the massive structure to the top? I will ask someone more qualified than me this question.

---

_{1: Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 139:8
2: M.B. 671:28
3: Sukkah 2a
4: Sukkah 2b}

While this is true, it's better to me made of a formal material, and silver is especially good for "one who has the means".¹

---

_{1: Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 139:5}

Are you sure about that? I'm no posek, but most sources appear to indicate it wouldn't be kosher.

I live well over 32ft up, but since my entire apartment except my kitchen is carpeted I have no real choice where to put it. THere is carpet near the door so can't really put it there. I would assume they make exceptions for safety and the like.

if the shower isnt carpeted...

[Ethel mermania]

https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2023/12/06/detroit-police-talk-security-ahead-of-menorah-in-the-d-event-in-downtown-detroit/

Off topic from the post but what an unfortunate name for the event.

Menorah in the D.
If I had no context on this event, I'd advise all Jewish men to be extremely careful at this ceremony.

And I am thinking it is a Bach Composition

[Repreteop]

https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2023/12/06/detroit-police-talk-security-ahead-of-menorah-in-the-d-event-in-downtown-detroit/

Off topic from the post but what an unfortunate name for the event.

Menorah in the D.
If I had no context on this event, I'd advise all Jewish men to be extremely careful at this ceremony.

I am really fucking tired of this "Free Palestine" shit at synagogues and places where they know Jews will be at. This horseshit has gone far enough whenever these people walk around going "Heil Hitler" and all this other bullshit.

I don't support the Israeli war crimes in Gaza, but when the Hell did I do anything to a Palestinian. Palestinians are trying to live their lives and I am too, but I am tired of this dogshit that I and countless other jews are getting because of something a country almost a day of commercial flight away is doing. The antisemitism has to stop, the hatred of muslims has to stop too. I have no problem with muslims, but I have problems with the people who want to kill me.

[Samudera Darussalam]

I'm not sure about the correct greeting, but....Chag Sameach(?)

snip

I've been....thinking for quite some time about this, and....there is nothing that I can say except that I'm sorry that you guys have to deal with these:

....I am really fucking tired of this "Free Palestine" shit at synagogues and places where they know Jews will be at. This horseshit has gone far enough whenever these people walk around going "Heil Hitler" and all this other bullshit....

As somebody whose sentiments lie towards the "ceasefire" side of the conflict, it's really unnecessary and counterproductive, especially the underlined part. Hopefully you guys can enjoy the rest of the festivity in peace.

[Bradfordville]

https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2023/12/06/detroit-police-talk-security-ahead-of-menorah-in-the-d-event-in-downtown-detroit/

Off topic from the post but what an unfortunate name for the event.

Menorah in the D.
If I had no context on this event, I'd advise all Jewish men to be extremely careful at this ceremony.

I am really fucking tired of this "Free Palestine" shit at synagogues and places where they know Jews will be at. This horseshit has gone far enough whenever these people walk around going "Heil Hitler" and all this other bullshit.

I don't support the Israeli war crimes in Gaza, but when the Hell did I do anything to a Palestinian. Palestinians are trying to live their lives and I am too, but I am tired of this dogshit that I and countless other jews are getting because of something a country almost a day of commercial flight away is doing. The antisemitism has to stop, the hatred of muslims has to stop too. I have no problem with muslims, but I have problems with the people who want to kill me.

Isn't this all of our history? People hating and killing us and we never did anything to them?

The one thing we have now that we didn't then was representation. We can get our message out. We can be heard. We can get some help. Back in the bad old days, no one cared what we thought and no one was gonna save us.

And in the present day, some groups still don't have representation which is why we need to stand up and be counted for them. If they ask to be listened to, we as Jews should lend an ear, because we know how it was when nobody gave a fuck about us beyond figuring out new and more brutal ways to kill us.

What Israel does isn't our fault. I didn't ask for this. I didn't tell the Israeli state "go kill some kids today, I'm bloodthirsty." If anything, what Israel is doing is exactly the opposite of who we were supposed to be. Our religion is supposed to believe in justice for all. Some of our fellow jews have unfortunately fallen victim to the darker side of human nature, but there's many of us who aren't remaining on the sidelines. I wish more people would see that. Not all of us are tribalistic racists. Many of us are good people. I'd like to think most of us are.

[Repreteop]

I am really fucking tired of this "Free Palestine" shit at synagogues and places where they know Jews will be at. This horseshit has gone far enough whenever these people walk around going "Heil Hitler" and all this other bullshit.

I don't support the Israeli war crimes in Gaza, but when the Hell did I do anything to a Palestinian. Palestinians are trying to live their lives and I am too, but I am tired of this dogshit that I and countless other jews are getting because of something a country almost a day of commercial flight away is doing. The antisemitism has to stop, the hatred of muslims has to stop too. I have no problem with muslims, but I have problems with the people who want to kill me.

Isn't this all of our history? People hating and killing us and we never did anything to them?

The one thing we have now that we didn't then was representation. We can get our message out. We can be heard. We can get some help. Back in the bad old days, no one cared what we thought and no one was gonna save us.

And in the present day, some groups still don't have representation which is why we need to stand up and be counted for them. If they ask to be listened to, we as Jews should lend an ear, because we know how it was when nobody gave a fuck about us beyond figuring out new and more brutal ways to kill us.

What Israel does isn't our fault. I didn't ask for this. I didn't tell the Israeli state "go kill some kids today, I'm bloodthirsty." If anything, what Israel is doing is exactly the opposite of who we were supposed to be. Our religion is supposed to believe in justice for all. Some of our fellow jews have unfortunately fallen victim to the darker side of human nature, but there's many of us who aren't remaining on the sidelines. I wish more people would see that. Not all of us are tribalistic racists. Many of us are good people. I'd like to think most of us are.

We really need to unite into a bloc or something. None of that useless conservative group nonsense, but a panjewish group. I wanted to start one at a school once due to the rise of people being asses to Jewish people, but I never did.

[La Xinga]

It's not "a 32-foot menorah", but rather a menorah "20 amos above the street". If someone lives more than 20 amos above the street, and one cannot place it anywhere else, it is better for him to put it by his door than by the window. ¹

In fact, I'm not so sure if a 50-foot menorah would be pasul at all. The Mishnah Berurah² says that the reason why one cannot light a menorah higher than 20 amos is because "דלא שלטא ביה עינא" - a menorah placed at such a height cannot be seen by the ordinary passerby, which does not fulfill pirsumei nisa - publicizing the נס.
Where does the term "דלא שלטא ביה עינא" originate? In Sukkah, where one of the reasons given for a sukkah higher than 20 amos being pasul is "דלא שלטא ביה עינא", stated by Rabbah.³ Rebbi Yoshiah clarifies Rabbah's position on the other side of the page, saying that Rabbah said his ruling only in regards to sukkos where the walls do not reach the schach, but in sukkos where they do, "even higher than 20 amos would be kosher". The gemara says this is because, where sukkos reach the schach, peoples' eyes will follow the walls up to the schach.⁴
Why shouldn't the same apply for a 50-foot high menorah, where one's eyes will follow up the massive structure to the top? I will ask someone more qualified than me this question.

---

_{1: Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 139:8
2: M.B. 671:28
3: Sukkah 2a
4: Sukkah 2b}

While this is true, it's better to me made of a formal material, and silver is especially good for "one who has the means".¹

---

_{1: Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 139:5}

Are you sure about that? I'm no posek, but most sources appear to indicate it wouldn't be kosher.

I live well over 32ft up, but since my entire apartment except my kitchen is carpeted I have no real choice where to put it. THere is carpet near the door so can't really put it there. I would assume they make exceptions for safety and the like.

One would have to ask a Rav. There's always an optimal place to put a menorah.

The son the Brisker Rav זצ"ל had to walk a nice distance to yeshiva every morning. After his father was niftar, his talmidim asked him whether he'd like to move to an apartment closer to the yeshiva. He did not agree to the idea.
"Why?" they asked.
He responded by telling that in his current apartment, his father had told him the best place where to light the menorah. In this theoretical new apartment, though, how would he know the best place to light?

Gotta love Brisk!

According to the Chabad website it’s 31ft and no more. But i don’t know who would build a 31ft tall menorah. Seems absurd.

It's not "a 32-foot menorah", but rather a menorah "20 amos above the street". If someone lives more than 20 amos above the street, and one cannot place it anywhere else, it is better for him to put it by his door than by the window. ¹

In fact, I'm not so sure if a 50-foot menorah would be pasul at all. The Mishnah Berurah² says that the reason why one cannot light a menorah higher than 20 amos is because "דלא שלטא ביה עינא" - a menorah placed at such a height cannot be seen by the ordinary passerby, which does not fulfill pirsumei nisa - publicizing the נס.
Where does the term "דלא שלטא ביה עינא" originate? In Sukkah, where one of the reasons given for a sukkah higher than 20 amos being pasul is "דלא שלטא ביה עינא", stated by Rabbah.³ Rebbi Yoshiah clarifies Rabbah's position on the other side of the page, saying that Rabbah said his ruling only in regards to sukkos where the walls do not reach the schach, but in sukkos where they do, "even higher than 20 amos would be kosher". The gemara says this is because, where sukkos reach the schach, peoples' eyes will follow the walls up to the schach.⁴
Why shouldn't the same apply for a 50-foot high menorah, where one's eyes will follow up the massive structure to the top? I will ask someone more qualified than me this question.

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_{1: Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 139:8
2: M.B. 671:28
3: Sukkah 2a
4: Sukkah 2b}

I now have an answer to this kashya from a talmid chochom, and since one who teaches you one thing is called your rebbi (קל וחומר more!), this person is also my rebbi.
There are meforshim who ask this kashya. It appears their are two teirutzim:

1. A person is inside of a succah, so their eyes will follow the wall up to the schach, unlike a menorah, where one is not completely enclosed.
3. This one I don't understand so well: A succah goes straight up to the schach, so if there's no separation, one's eyes will follow the walls to the schach. This is apparently not the case by a menorah, though I'm not sure how, as it would seem also to be one entity, with no seperation.

Edit: This thing may be all bogus, and it might actually be permitted. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Or it might not, idk

[Experina]

I am curious: does an inflatable menorah actually count as a menorah? I mean, as it it’s just a decoration and not used for any religious purpose, can’t it be any height? Doesn’t the same apply to electrically lit ones?

The height requirement is 31ft, it can’t be taller than that. Good luck finding an inflatable menorah that’s 32ft tall.

And electric lit ones can be used so long as you are able to light the menorah one by one on each night.

Interestingly the 31ft rule also applies to regular sized menorahs in window sills. For if you live somewhere where your window sill is above 31ft you can’t put the menorahs on the window sill.

Also, are there any requirements as to what the menorah is made of?

Nope. Can be made of literally anything.

Just wondering because there’s always a huge one in Riverdale.

It’s still probably under 32ft.

I for some reason want to make a 60 feet menorah
Or 18 meters.

[Repreteop]

Shabbat shalom everyone. May your day be well.

[La Xinga]

Ya but nobody uses “Amos” which is why “feet” are used on the Chabad website.

Indeed, but that's not what I was trying to say.
(I'm not even quite sure how they got that number; wasn't there disagreement about how big an amah is?)

Looking back at this, I think I want to clarify what I meant: There are at least four different opinions regarding the size of an amah. Most (if not all) secular places will get at least something wrong when talking about Judaism (i.e. Google). I assume the OU (not secular) averaged them out? Maybe they follow one particular view?
The best way, of course, is to open a gemara, Rambam, Shulchan Aruch, Mishna Berurah, Igros Moshe, etc, etc, or just contact a more qualified person, namely a rav (the latter being the most optimal).

As for Chabad, the fact is that Chabad is not a neutral group just seeking to provide a neutral halachic answer. They are a chassidishe sect, albeit one which places a strong emphasis on bringing people who are secular, Reform, and Conservative closer to Judaism. In the past fifty or so years, many Jews have been against Chabad for various reasons.

At the end of the day, your succah cannot be taller than how much? 20 amos. How much is that in the measurements which we use? As usual, a machlokes.

[Fahran]

Still need to do an effort-intensive OP on the secret Jewish tunnels in New York. Mostly because it's funny and also somehow not the most insane thing that's happened as a result of disagreements between Jewish people.

[Ethel mermania]

Still need to do an effort-intensive OP on the secret Jewish tunnels in New York. Mostly because it's funny and also somehow not the most insane thing that's happened as a result of disagreements between Jewish people.

I live here and I still can't figure out what is happening

[La Xinga]

Still need to do an effort-intensive OP on the secret Jewish tunnels in New York. Mostly because it's funny and also somehow not the most insane thing that's happened as a result of disagreements between Jewish people.

Just seems to be some youths who did some trouble!