Son of The Bride of the MEGA Health Care Thread (Of DOOM!)

[Post-Unity Terra]

I'd like to give three minutes to Big Jim P.

The gentleman is recognised.

[Zooey Deschanel]

Mourn not the passage or not passage of this bill. Mourn for the split which this health debate has revealed. Mourn for the fact that the two sides are so locked in their ideology that we can no longer talk to each other and instead talk past each other. Mourn for the fact that people would insult old men with parkinsons or that politicians have to resort to deals just to get healthcare past. Most of all mourn for the spirit of democracy and how we no longer work for any goals but our own. Mourn; for compromise, a crucial part of American history and necessary to our future, now surely must be dead.

I blame the lizard people.

[Maxen von Bismarck]

There are about 50 million Americans without health insurance now, if this bill passes, they will immediately get government funded insurance and who's going to pay for that? The middle and upper classes. Also, where are the extra doctors to treat these newly insured people? Answer: There are none, 50 million more patients and not a single additional doctor

Immediately? No, sometime after the year after next year. Almost nothing in the bill goes into effect immediately. And the number is around 30 million, not 50 million. Interesting how the opponents of the bill lower and raise that number to suit the argument they're trying to make. And do you actually think all those uninsured people need medical attention right this minute? Or that no new doctors are being graduated in this country? Please, at least be creative in the lies you make up.

Aren't doctors retiring, too?

And, even if not all 30-50 million people get sick right now, don't you think there will be a substantial increase of sick people, with no new doctors to treat it?

I mean, if 5% of people get sick every year, that is at least 1.5 million new people.

Okay, now, think this through with me. There are 30 million uninsured people (we'll take the low number just as an example). If I understand you, they do not put a strain on the health care system because, not having insurance, they simply suffer in silence and, perhaps, pray that they will get better. They never go to an emergency room or a free clinic or any other source of health care. But now, once this bill passes, as many as 5% of them will get sick - may get sick - and instead of that noble, stoic, silent suffering, they will rush instantly to their doctors' offices. Doesn't that seem odd?

This is like the global warming denial game, where the person playing the denier falls back on successive lines of defense until everyone just laughs, has a drink and starts a new game. I haven't seen the "ZOMG, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH DOCTORS, WE CAN'T PASS THIS BILL!" defense before, I have to admit.

I think the point is people will more likely undertake excessive amounts of checking and re-checking. I (as I explained above) will likely put more strain on the healthcare "system" in one day (not to mention day 2 and 3) than my whole family does in a year. It's just basic economics. If prices are low, more will be demanded.

Well, I don't see it. They can get free health care just by going to the emergency room, where they will be, like stories in the National Enquirer, checked, re-checked and checked again. The difference being, of course, that those visits tend to raise the cost of health care and of insurance for those that have insurance, whereas the new plan won't.

I don't mean to be rude, but are you American and/or a participant in the American healthcare service? How old are you, or if you feel more comfortable not telling, can you at least tell me what sort of medical responsibility you have?

The reason I ask is that you have an odd grasp of the medical industry. The amount spent on this proverbial "emergency room" of your's is more than enough; I admit. But there are countless more areas to use your medical insurance on other than stopping by when you have your leg cut open. You have your dentist, your dermatologist, opthamologist, chiropractors, audiologist, gynocologist, your pick of pills (treating everything from autism to, well, something that starts with Z), dieticians and countless other things that I'm fairly certain this new bill is "picking up" directly or indirectly; so to speak.

I'm looking at this new world of medical possibilities, and I like it. It'll be theoretically cheaper than my current one (mine doesn't cover fun things like adderoll; PG-rating meth) and cover more things. And I have insurance already. I can only imagine how it looks to those who have been without insurance before. In one sudden move they go from getting by with Wal-Mart prescriptions to the medical equivalent of Filet Mignon.

And medical prices are supposed to go down? Please. I'm just glad I won't be paying for my excess. I won't be the last to leave from this party.

I have set out plans to go into the medical field.

Really? Why? You don't feel like life is treating you like shit already?

[Big Jim P]

Mourn not the passage or not passage of this bill. Mourn for the split which this health debate has revealed. Mourn for the fact that the two sides are so locked in their ideology that we can no longer talk to each other and instead talk past each other. Mourn for the fact that people would insult old men with parkinsons or that politicians have to resort to deals just to get healthcare past. Most of all mourn for the spirit of democracy and how we no longer work for any goals but our own. Mourn; for compromise, a crucial part of American history and necessary to our future, now surely must be dead.

Mourn for American individualism and independence as millions more get stuck to the government tit.

[Yenke-Bin]

I wish I was a representative. I so would cane someone about this time.

[American Capitalist]

its interesting that the republicans are in favor of freedom but not reproductive freedom, only the freedoms THEY want.

I don't see how it's fair that you force someone to buy something.

yeah what a burden it is to "force" you to buy something you want.

Not every one needs health care for example I'm a teenager I'm not really going to be in the doctor any time soon and therefore do not really need insurance. I would rather spend my money on college and other things.

you arent covered by your parents?

Yeah but I don't need it really need it is what i'm saying I probably shouldn't have put that last part though it was a mistake. The point still remains that not every body wants or needs health care.

everybody needs insurance; not everyone can afford insurance.

No not every one. Another proposal to stop wasteful ER visits is to have a ten dollar charge to those that can afford it. This would be pretty simple and stop a lot of the waste and abuse.

[Lydeana]

Mourn not the passage or not passage of this bill. Mourn for the split which this health debate has revealed. Mourn for the fact that the two sides are so locked in their ideology that we can no longer talk to each other and instead talk past each other. Mourn for the fact that people would insult old men with parkinsons or that politicians have to resort to deals just to get healthcare past. Most of all mourn for the spirit of democracy and how we no longer work for any goals but our own. Mourn; for compromise, a crucial part of American history and necessary to our future, now surely must be dead.

Does this mean what I think it means?

BATTLE ROYALE!!!!

[Canada Provinces]

Everything about the medical field interests me. You know what they say. Love what you do, and you'll never work a day in your life.

[Post-Unity Terra]

its interesting that the republicans are in favor of freedom but not reproductive freedom, only the freedoms THEY want.

I don't see how it's fair that you force someone to buy something.

yeah what a burden it is to "force" you to buy something you want.

Not every one needs health care for example I'm a teenager I'm not really going to be in the doctor any time soon and therefore do not really need insurance. I would rather spend my money on college and other things.

you arent covered by your parents?

Yeah but I don't need it really need it is what i'm saying I probably shouldn't have put that last part though it was a mistake. The point still remains that not every body wants or needs health care.

everybody needs insurance; not everyone can afford insurance.

No not every one.

There are people who are never sick or injured?

[United Dependencies]

Mourn not the passage or not passage of this bill. Mourn for the split which this health debate has revealed. Mourn for the fact that the two sides are so locked in their ideology that we can no longer talk to each other and instead talk past each other. Mourn for the fact that people would insult old men with parkinsons or that politicians have to resort to deals just to get healthcare past. Most of all mourn for the spirit of democracy and how we no longer work for any goals but our own. Mourn; for compromise, a crucial part of American history and necessary to our future, now surely must be dead.

Mourn for American individualism and independence as millions more get stuck to the government tit.

I'm not refrencing the fact that the Dems left out the Gop. But the fact that no side conservative or liberal, dem or rebup, politician or no can see past their ideology any more.

Whether this bill passes or not. This irreconcilable divide does not bode well for the future.

[Wilgrove]

Mourn not the passage or not passage of this bill. Mourn for the split which this health debate has revealed. Mourn for the fact that the two sides are so locked in their ideology that we can no longer talk to each other and instead talk past each other. Mourn for the fact that people would insult old men with parkinsons or that politicians have to resort to deals just to get healthcare past. Most of all mourn for the spirit of democracy and how we no longer work for any goals but our own. Mourn; for compromise, a crucial part of American history and necessary to our future, now surely must be dead.

Mourn for American individualism and independence as millions more get stuck to the government tit.

I love you.

[Ashmoria]

Mourn not the passage or not passage of this bill. Mourn for the split which this health debate has revealed. Mourn for the fact that the two sides are so locked in their ideology that we can no longer talk to each other and instead talk past each other. Mourn for the fact that people would insult old men with parkinsons or that politicians have to resort to deals just to get healthcare past. Most of all mourn for the spirit of democracy and how we no longer work for any goals but our own. Mourn; for compromise, a crucial part of American history and necessary to our future, now surely must be dead.

I blame the lizard people.

fucking reptiloids ruin everything

[Maxen von Bismarck]

I can't wait to party with his bill! Give me my government insurance already so I can go out and just get massive amounts of excess, well, everything!

Also, I hate watching C-SPAN.

[Lydeana]

its interesting that the republicans are in favor of freedom but not reproductive freedom, only the freedoms THEY want.

I don't see how it's fair that you force someone to buy something.

yeah what a burden it is to "force" you to buy something you want.

Not every one needs health care for example I'm a teenager I'm not really going to be in the doctor any time soon and therefore do not really need insurance. I would rather spend my money on college and other things.

you arent covered by your parents?

Yeah but I don't need it really need it is what i'm saying I probably shouldn't have put that last part though it was a mistake. The point still remains that not every body wants or needs health care.

everybody needs insurance; not everyone can afford insurance.

No not every one.

There are people who are never sick or injured?

No but there are those of us never sick or injured seriously

[Caninope]

its interesting that the republicans are in favor of freedom but not reproductive freedom, only the freedoms THEY want.

I don't see how it's fair that you force someone to buy something.

yeah what a burden it is to "force" you to buy something you want.

Not everyone wants it! That's the problem. Most people who don't have it are between 21-30, and do you want to guess which ages group(s) have the highest rates of cell phones per person?

what do cellphones haveto do with it?

The young would rather spend their money on cellphones than health insurance. Duh.

One can often get a health insurance plan for $50 a month (larger deductible though), which is about the same as a cell plan.

[Big Jim P]

Mourn not the passage or not passage of this bill. Mourn for the split which this health debate has revealed. Mourn for the fact that the two sides are so locked in their ideology that we can no longer talk to each other and instead talk past each other. Mourn for the fact that people would insult old men with parkinsons or that politicians have to resort to deals just to get healthcare past. Most of all mourn for the spirit of democracy and how we no longer work for any goals but our own. Mourn; for compromise, a crucial part of American history and necessary to our future, now surely must be dead.

Mourn for American individualism and independence as millions more get stuck to the government tit.

I'm not refrencing the fact that the Dems left out the Gop. But the fact that no side conservative or liberal, dem or rebup, politician or no can see past their ideology any more.

No one can see past their ideology anymore. No one bothers to think for themselves anymore.

[Wilgrove]

God....how much longer? Just shut up and vote already! *bangs head against desk*

[Yenke-Bin]

its interesting that the republicans are in favor of freedom but not reproductive freedom, only the freedoms THEY want.

I don't see how it's fair that you force someone to buy something.

yeah what a burden it is to "force" you to buy something you want.

Not every one needs health care for example I'm a teenager I'm not really going to be in the doctor any time soon and therefore do not really need insurance. I would rather spend my money on college and other things.

you arent covered by your parents?

Yeah but I don't need it really need it is what i'm saying I probably shouldn't have put that last part though it was a mistake. The point still remains that not every body wants or needs health care.

everybody needs insurance; not everyone can afford insurance.

No not every one. Another proposal to stop wasteful ER visits is to have a ten dollar charge to those that can afford it. This would be pretty simple and stop a lot of the waste and abuse.

LOL. Ten dollars? What is that compared to a couple thousand dollars worth of costs?

[United Dependencies]

Mourn not the passage or not passage of this bill. Mourn for the split which this health debate has revealed. Mourn for the fact that the two sides are so locked in their ideology that we can no longer talk to each other and instead talk past each other. Mourn for the fact that people would insult old men with parkinsons or that politicians have to resort to deals just to get healthcare past. Most of all mourn for the spirit of democracy and how we no longer work for any goals but our own. Mourn; for compromise, a crucial part of American history and necessary to our future, now surely must be dead.

Mourn for American individualism and independence as millions more get stuck to the government tit.

I'm not refrencing the fact that the Dems left out the Gop. But the fact that no side conservative or liberal, dem or rebup, politician or no can see past their ideology any more.

No one can see past their ideology anymore. No one bothers to think for themselves anymore.

and this literally makes me weep for America.

[Our L Lawliet]

So does anyone else think that the Dems are probably going to lose?

[Lydeana]

This is all Global Warming's fault

[Post-Unity Terra]

its interesting that the republicans are in favor of freedom but not reproductive freedom, only the freedoms THEY want.

I don't see how it's fair that you force someone to buy something.

yeah what a burden it is to "force" you to buy something you want.

Not every one needs health care for example I'm a teenager I'm not really going to be in the doctor any time soon and therefore do not really need insurance. I would rather spend my money on college and other things.

you arent covered by your parents?

Yeah but I don't need it really need it is what i'm saying I probably shouldn't have put that last part though it was a mistake. The point still remains that not every body wants or needs health care.

everybody needs insurance; not everyone can afford insurance.

No not every one.

There are people who are never sick or injured?

No but there are those of us never sick or injured seriously

And you think it's a good idea to make no plan for the possibility you aren't specially touched by the hand of god?

[Takaram]

4 minutes of Cantor? No thank you.

[Big Jim P]

Mourn not the passage or not passage of this bill. Mourn for the split which this health debate has revealed. Mourn for the fact that the two sides are so locked in their ideology that we can no longer talk to each other and instead talk past each other. Mourn for the fact that people would insult old men with parkinsons or that politicians have to resort to deals just to get healthcare past. Most of all mourn for the spirit of democracy and how we no longer work for any goals but our own. Mourn; for compromise, a crucial part of American history and necessary to our future, now surely must be dead.

Mourn for American individualism and independence as millions more get stuck to the government tit.

I'm not refrencing the fact that the Dems left out the Gop. But the fact that no side conservative or liberal, dem or rebup, politician or no can see past their ideology any more.

No one can see past their ideology anymore. No one bothers to think for themselves anymore.

and this literally makes me weep for America.

Not just America, but the entire fucking species.

[Lydeana]

its interesting that the republicans are in favor of freedom but not reproductive freedom, only the freedoms THEY want.

I don't see how it's fair that you force someone to buy something.

yeah what a burden it is to "force" you to buy something you want.

Not every one needs health care for example I'm a teenager I'm not really going to be in the doctor any time soon and therefore do not really need insurance. I would rather spend my money on college and other things.

you arent covered by your parents?

Yeah but I don't need it really need it is what i'm saying I probably shouldn't have put that last part though it was a mistake. The point still remains that not every body wants or needs health care.

everybody needs insurance; not everyone can afford insurance.

No not every one.

There are people who are never sick or injured?

No but there are those of us never sick or injured seriously

And you think it's a good idea to make no plan for the possibility you aren't specially touched by the hand of god?

No I just don't care