Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:44 pm
Morality is not absolute, and the law is subjective.
Because sometimes even national leaders just want to hang out
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Alcala-Cordel wrote:In my opinion it is somewhat shallow to have no sense of morality without some higher code. Shouldn't we all have an inner idea of what's right and what's wrong?
Atheris wrote:I break copyright laws because copyright is bullshit and should be abolished.
Atheris wrote:I break copyright laws because copyright is bullshit and should be abolished.
Forsher wrote:Atheris wrote:I break copyright laws because copyright is bullshit and should be abolished.
If, for example, I wrote a book, I should be able to profit off that labour. And if I choose, in this fantasy world where I wrote a book, to release the book online free of charge, I should be able to stop other people from profiting from my labour, if I so choose.
Copyright isn't bullshit and it certainly shouldn't be abolished. People destroying the artistic integrity of other peoples' work, people profiting off other peoples' ideas without permission? They're bullshit.
Extortionate pricing and delivery models? They're bullshit.
Jebslund wrote:Forsher wrote:
If, for example, I wrote a book, I should be able to profit off that labour. And if I choose, in this fantasy world where I wrote a book, to release the book online free of charge, I should be able to stop other people from profiting from my labour, if I so choose.
Copyright isn't bullshit and it certainly shouldn't be abolished. People destroying the artistic integrity of other peoples' work, people profiting off other peoples' ideas without permission? They're bullshit.
Extortionate pricing and delivery models? They're bullshit.
Counterpoint: people should also be free to make their own material based off your book should it spark their creativity. Not necessarily to profit off it (at least, not without giving you your due), but a free fangame, for instance, that represents itself as a fanwork and not as your work, should be able to be freely made without said fan(s) having to worry about being sued.
Forsher wrote:
Copyright isn't bullshit and it certainly shouldn't be abolished. People destroying the artistic integrity of other peoples' work, people profiting off other peoples' ideas without permission? They're bullshit.
Forsher wrote:Jebslund wrote:Counterpoint: people should also be free to make their own material based off your book should it spark their creativity. Not necessarily to profit off it (at least, not without giving you your due), but a free fangame, for instance, that represents itself as a fanwork and not as your work, should be able to be freely made without said fan(s) having to worry about being sued.
I don't think that's a counterpoint.
Let's suppose that I am legally empowered to prevent their profiting from my labour but I can't act to stop their not profiting. That's still a copyright regime. It's not as expansive as what we have now, but it is a copyright regime.
Forsher wrote:Of course, I would argue that I was also saying copyright should be available to punish bad actors trying to destroy the artistic integrity of my work even if they weren't profiting off it. The classic example of this is bands copyright trolling politicians they disagree with when said politicians co-opt their music. And if you want to, say, dispute the entire messaging of my universe, you shouldn't be able to use my characters and/or worldbuilding to do it... contrast Harry Potter versus Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality (er, spoilers) with The Coral Island vs Lord of the Flies... even if you otherwise would (since you're not profiting) be.
Forsher wrote:I guess if you were just responding to that sub-point, then it is a counterpoint. Though, I admit, I am willing to entertain the notion that reproduction and/or incorporation of the work itself would be necessary here (whatever other faults it possesses HPMOR doesn't lift text from the books).