Kosovo Establishes Ties with Israel

[Insaanistan]

Fix your damn quote tags.

Yeah...

[Insaanistan]

There never was an independent Palestine, nor will there ever be most likely. And I don't see why having Jerusalem recognized as the capital of Palestine would do anything to help the situation and not instead give many Palestinian political factions the inch they need to take the next mile. And Hamas is one of the largest political factions and they virtually control the Gaza Strip. And Hezbollah is funded by Iran which Israel is aligned with many Arab States against. And a different political entity isn't very specific. Because unless you can give me a political entity that currently exists that would magically not be terrible like many of the political factions currently in power in the region then please do. But I don't think you can name one. And I never state Israelis have it worse, I simply expressed that it isn't a black and white situation and that innocents across the board are suffering. The differences I see are that the Israeli State for all its faults protects its citizens, guarantees their basic human rights, and is a functional democracy that allows for political representation for Arabs, and other minority groups.

That’s true, Palestine as a concept didn’t exist until Israel did, before that, it was just viewed as part of Jordan

Uhhh...
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Seems like the Israelis thought Palestine existed.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

That’s true, Palestine as a concept didn’t exist until Israel did, before that, it was just viewed as part of Jordan

Uhhh...
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Seems like the Israelis thought Palestine existed.

Palestine as a region has always existed, but the polity of Palestine was always viewed as part of Jordan, with no cultural distinction form Jordan

[Insaanistan]

Uhhh...
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Seems like the Israelis thought Palestine existed.

Palestine as a region has always existed, but the polity of Palestine was always viewed as part of Jordan, with no cultural distinction form Jordan

The same could be said of the US and Canada or Indonesia and Malaysia.

My Jordanian friend with Palestinian parents can tell you a million reasons why the two places are totally different culturally.

[Zohiania]

That’s true, Palestine as a concept didn’t exist until Israel did, before that, it was just viewed as part of Jordan

Uhhh...
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=htt ... AdAAAAABAD

Seems like the Israelis thought Palestine existed.

The British called it the Mandate of Palestine at the time the artist made that, and it was previously known as the province of Palestinia under the Ottomans, the first usage of the term in reference to the region was when the roman emperor Hadrian renamed Judea to Syria-Palestinia after causing the second Jewish Dispora after a jewish revolt in Judea was crushed by the Romans.

[Insaanistan]

Uhhh...
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=htt ... AdAAAAABAD

Seems like the Israelis thought Palestine existed.

The British called it the Mandate of Palestine at the time the artist made that, and it was previously known as the province of Palestinia under the Ottomans, the first usage of the term in reference to the region was when the roman emperor Hadrian renamed Judea to Syria-Palestinia after causing the second Jewish Dispora after a jewish revolt in Judea was crushed by the Romans.

Therefore Palestine as a concept existed.

[Zohiania]

The British called it the Mandate of Palestine at the time the artist made that, and it was previously known as the province of Palestinia under the Ottomans, the first usage of the term in reference to the region was when the roman emperor Hadrian renamed Judea to Syria-Palestinia after causing the second Jewish Dispora after a jewish revolt in Judea was crushed by the Romans.

Therefore Palestine as a concept existed.

Yeah it was a term used as a reference for a provincial area of various empires. But that doesn't mean it was ever an independent country which it wasn't. And the idea of a unique palestinian identity is very new in terms of world history. I have no issue with people who identify as palestinian however I do have an issue with people claiming they have a right to land because of their ethnic/cultural identity which no one does. And the concept of Judea exists to therefor its legitimate right?

[Insaanistan]

Therefore Palestine as a concept existed.

Yeah it was a term used as a reference for a provincial area of various empires. But that doesn't mean it was ever an independent country which it wasn't. And the idea of a unique palestinian identity is very new in terms of world history. I have no issue with people who identify as palestinian however I do have an issue with people claiming they have a right to land because of their ethnic/cultural identity which no one does.

I’m not saying it was an independent country. However, it was deserving of the title “nation”, one closely interconnected with the land of those who call themselves “Jordanian”. The Palestinian identity is new because the world forced it out of them.

[Zohiania]

Yeah it was a term used as a reference for a provincial area of various empires. But that doesn't mean it was ever an independent country which it wasn't. And the idea of a unique palestinian identity is very new in terms of world history. I have no issue with people who identify as palestinian however I do have an issue with people claiming they have a right to land because of their ethnic/cultural identity which no one does.

I’m not saying it was an independent country. However, it was deserving of the title “nation”, one closely interconnected with the land of those who call themselves “Jordanian”. The Palestinian identity is new because the world forced it out of them.

You do see the issue with the idea that they deserve to have control over a particular plot of land because of said identity right, like thats the same bs argument made by some jews in relation to the idea of Judea. I don't support the state of israel continuing to exist because I think jews have an inherent right to that land, no group of people do by virtue of identity.

[Insaanistan]

I’m not saying it was an independent country. However, it was deserving of the title “nation”, one closely interconnected with the land of those who call themselves “Jordanian”. The Palestinian identity is new because the world forced it out of them.

You do see the issue with the idea that they deserve their to have control over a particular plot of land because of said identity right, like thats the same bs argument made by some jews in relation to the idea of Judea. I don't support the state of israel continuing to exist because I think jews have an inherent right to that land, no group of people do by virtue of identity.

Said identity, especially for the farmers, is pretty tied to that land.

[SD_Film Artists]

Perhaps this will backfire on Israel, since they can't get closer to Russia and Turkey if they have Kosovo cramping their style.

[Zohiania]

You do see the issue with the idea that they deserve their to have control over a particular plot of land because of said identity right, like thats the same bs argument made by some jews in relation to the idea of Judea. I don't support the state of israel continuing to exist because I think jews have an inherent right to that land, no group of people do by virtue of identity.

Said identity, especially for the farmers, is pretty tied to that land.

Unless your a feudalist, that logic doesn't make sense and again isn't relevant because you don't have a right to land by virtue of profession.

[Insaanistan]

Said identity, especially for the farmers, is pretty tied to that land.

Unless your a feudalist, that logic doesn't make sense and again isn't relevant because you don't have a right to land by virtue of profession.

I mean cultural identity.
Tell me, are you Arab?

[Zohiania]

Unless your a feudalist, that logic doesn't make sense and again isn't relevant because you don't have a right to land by virtue of profession.

I mean cultural identity.
Tell me, are you Arab?

I am religiously Muslim, but I am not an Arab, no. I have Assyrian roots though if you arguably would consider that Arab.

[Insaanistan]

I mean cultural identity.
Tell me, are you Arab?

I am religiously Muslim, but I am not an Arab, no. I have Assyrian roots though if you arguably would consider that Arab.

No, Assyrians are distinct, and should be proud of it.
Anyway, different Arabs have different cultures. And for Palestinians farmers (not really in application to those in the city), their culture has a LOT to do with the land.

[Zohiania]

I am religiously Muslim, but I am not an Arab, no. I have Assyrian roots though if you arguably would consider that Arab.

No, Assyrians are distinct, and should be proud of it.
Anyway, different Arabs have different cultures. And for Palestinians farmers (not really in application to those in the city), their culture has a LOT to do with the land.

Sure, but again your attempting to make an appeal to cultural identity as a justification for the idea that they as a collective group somehow have a right to that specific plot of land on this Earth. Which you would agree shouldn't be the standard because that logic is very similar to that of the Jews who argue for a right to the land of Judea on similar cultural grounds

[Washington Resistance Army]

No, Assyrians are distinct, and should be proud of it.
Anyway, different Arabs have different cultures. And for Palestinians farmers (not really in application to those in the city), their culture has a LOT to do with the land.

Sure, but again your attempting to make an appeal to cultural identity as a justification for the idea that they as a collective group somehow have a right to that specific plot of land on this Earth. Which you would agree shouldn't be the standard because that logic is very similar to that of the Jews who argue for a right to the land of Judea on similar cultural grounds

I mean, not really? The Jewish population in the Levant was extremely small until the 1800's. The recent history of the region is probably the most egregious example of large scale colonization and displacement since the settling of the Americas or Australia.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Perhaps this will backfire on Israel, since they can't get closer to Russia and Turkey if they have Kosovo cramping their style.

I wonder what your attitude will be when Kosovo and Israel establish very strong bilateral relations ? What would your attitude be if Israel had close ties with Armenia and Saudi Arabia ?

[Zohiania]

Sure, but again your attempting to make an appeal to cultural identity as a justification for the idea that they as a collective group somehow have a right to that specific plot of land on this Earth. Which you would agree shouldn't be the standard because that logic is very similar to that of the Jews who argue for a right to the land of Judea on similar cultural grounds

I mean, not really? The Jewish population in the Levant was extremely small until the 1800's. The recent history of the region is probably the most egregious example of large scale colonization and displacement since the settling of the Americas or Australia.

So, it is the logical sequence of the argument and the primary appeal made by both Jews and Palestinians is exactly the same. And my argument is that neither claims to land for a collective whole based on primarily an appeal to cultural identity is justified. I don't particularly think that the population size of either cultural group is relevant and I don't think just because there is more people of a particular group within a particular frame of time that is necessarily important regarding the arguments being made. And I also don't think an appeal to numerical majority gives a particular cultural group an innate right to the land.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Sounds like a great day!

[Jarvikan]

Sounds like a great day!

Indeed

[Dumb Ideologies]

We going to keep doing this thread right up until the Supreme Emperor Penguin of Antarctica forms diplomatic relations? Einstein really was right about the definition of insaanity.

[Insaanistan]

We going to keep doing this thread right up until the Supreme Emperor Penguin of Antarctica forms diplomatic relations? Einstein really was right about the definition of insaanity.

Hehe. Lol.

[Glorious Hong Kong]

So we should bow to the unreasonable demands of radical Islamist terrorists now? All the more reason more countries, especially Muslim countries such as Malaysia, need to recognize Israel in the first place.

[Insaanistan]

So we should bow to the unreasonable demands of radical Islamist terrorists now? All the more reason more countries, especially Muslim countries such as Malaysia, need to recognize Israel in the first place.

What are you talking about?