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Purple Rats wrote:Mass shooters in USA are still mostly white, or have I misunderstood something?

Also not true. The ones that make the headlines are mostly committed by whites. The majority of mass shootings occur within poor black and Latino neighborhoods, but those are never newsworthy events.

Accelerationist Poland-Lithuania wrote:

Fartsniffage wrote:
So it's all the fault of the niggers?

In the sense that they are the ones physically committing violent crime, yes. Is it their fault they're predisposed to it given their conditions? It'd be hard to argue that. They don't have many homies up in Canada doing the same thing though, and if they weren't in the USA its crime rates would look a lot like Canada's. So guns aren't to blame, the conditions of America's minorities are.

So maybe the solution is to raise the minorities out of the poor living conditions. Because people who have a comfortable life and secure living are far less likely to commit crimes than those who are poor and have shity living conditions no matter their skin color

Thermodolia wrote:

Accelerationist Poland-Lithuania wrote:In the sense that they are the ones physically committing violent crime, yes. Is it their fault they're predisposed to it given their conditions? It'd be hard to argue that. They don't have many homies up in Canada doing the same thing though, and if they weren't in the USA its crime rates would look a lot like Canada's. So guns aren't to blame, the conditions of America's minorities are.

So maybe the solution is to raise the minorities out of the poor living conditions. Because people who have a comfortable life and secure living are far less likely to commit crimes than those who are poor and have shity living conditions no matter their skin color

We've been trying that for like 50 years. How long is it supposed to take?

Bear Stearns wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:So maybe the solution is to raise the minorities out of the poor living conditions. Because people who have a comfortable life and secure living are far less likely to commit crimes than those who are poor and have shity living conditions no matter their skin color

We've been trying that for like 50 years. How long is it supposed to take?

We really haven’t. All we’ve been doing is letting the inner cities rot while we pretend that everything is fine. We can’t just throw money at the problem and hope it goes away

Bear Stearns wrote:

Purple Rats wrote:
What tha fuck are you talking about, we don't even have black people in our country (I mean, we do, but really few) and we still have crime, because people are poor and pissed off.

There isn't really an equivalent of Baltimore or Detroit in Canada. You guys have South Asian and native gangs to be sure, but their neighborhoods are comparable to poor Hispanic neighborhoods in the US.

I'm not from Canada. I found this page: https://knoema.com/atlas/Estonia/topics ... E,US,CA,DE Compare Estonia (poor white country), Germany (rich country with race diversity), USA, Canada.

USA has higher rate of homicide than us, but we have higher rate than Canada and Germany for example. And before 2011 we had higher crime rate than you. Specially look at that 1990-1995, when our country was just dealing with coming out from Soviet Union.

I do understand that minorities can end up doing crime because of poverty, but it's really just because they are poor, not race issue. Same way like we have high crime rates, because people are poor, even when we are total Snowwhite country.

But it's anyway little bit out of topic, because as I understand this Canada issue is just someone losing their mind, so this thread has took weird turn...

Purple Rats wrote:But it's anyway little bit out of topic, because as I understand this Canada issue is just someone losing their mind, so this thread has took weird turn...

Racist will always find a way to blame black people. Even if the suspect was white. Really makes you question people motives on here lol.

Oh and the 13/50 meme is heavily pushed by Neo-Nazis on social media. It's a dog whistle.

sounds like he snapped.

did he suffer any sort of tragedy recently?

Loben The 2nd wrote:sounds like he snapped.

did he suffer any sort of tragedy recently?

I have yet to see a motive. But reports say he has died and was dressed up as a mounty and had a fake police car.

United States of Devonta wrote:

Loben The 2nd wrote:sounds like he snapped.

did he suffer any sort of tragedy recently?

I have yet to see a motive. But reports say he has died and was dressed up as a mounty and had a fake police car.

i know that.

i also hear that his son was stabbed a while back, couldve been what set him off.

Loben The 2nd wrote:

United States of Devonta wrote:
I have yet to see a motive. But reports say he has died and was dressed up as a mounty and had a fake police car.

i know that.

i also hear that his son was stabbed a while back, couldve been what set him off.

From what I see, he knew the first victims personally and then started killing random people in different locations.

Also, death toll is now 17 (inc. the shooter)

It was published now in our news as well. Well, it still says 13 victims here, not updated yet.

Rojava Free State wrote:

Accelerationist Poland-Lithuania wrote:13% of the US population is responsible for about 50% of all violent crime
there aren't many of those 13%ers in Canada though
If you look at the gun crime rate for various groups outside that 13%, it's actually pretty reasonable. It looks like Europe or maybe a nice Latin American country in some cases. The 13% brings up the numbers a lot.

When you control for poverty, that 13% isn't more likely to commit crime.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... lack-kids/



You should title your response to this post:

"Factually Untrue Statements: How I Became Immune To Data And Learned To Love Repeating Them"

Rojava Free State wrote:And what do you mean outside that 13% the crime rate is reasonable? As a latino, I gotta say we have a horrible crime problem in the community. 50% of American gang members are hispanics. Everyday young Latin men are shot and killed, so this is most definitely not just a black issue. It's also a latino issue and a southeast Asian issue and a native American issue and an Appalachian issue too.

Yes, thank you for reminding us that the vibrant Mexican cartel culture is the next demographic most over-represented in violent crime in America.

This is not a southeast Asian issue, native American issue, or Appalachian issue. There is not much data about those groups because they are so small, and where there is data, it shows that they do not have this problem to the same degree as blacks and latinos.

United States of Devonta wrote:Racist will always find a way to blame black people. Even if the suspect was white. Really makes you question people motives on here lol.

Oh and the 13/50 meme is heavily pushed by Neo-Nazis on social media. It's a dog whistle.

I think, primarily, Americans are just tired of people blaming their murder rate on a lack of gun control. Switzerland is highly weaponized as part of their defense strategy, they do not have any of the unique social and ethnic inequalities of America. They have a murder rate much lower than in the UK, where there is greater social and ethnic inequality and strict gun control, and so the minorities kill each other with knives.

So, if you don't want to hear about crime statistics, you shouldn't blame crime on people's right to self defense.

Call me a Nazi. Do it. I'll be your Bobby Fischer.

As for this shooting, mass shootings are a meme. Peanut allergy has a higher bodycount, but you don't hear about it, because there is no push to get rid of peanuts.

We already have a gun control thread y'know. This is about a series of killings with little to do with gun control and nothing to do with racial crime rates in the US.

Are there any more details about why this guy did what he did?

Albrenia wrote:Are there any more details about why this guy did what he did?

Well, I think that much is obvious.

After killing millions of people with improperly filled drug prescriptions, high calorie foods, and failure to use seat belts, he became frustrated, realizing he wasn't getting the credit he deserved.

So he resolved to kill people in the only way that the media could appreciate.

He considered coughing on them instead, but even he knew on some level that it wasn't likely to work.

So we're at the 'murder isn't a problem because people die in other ways' part of the conversation already? Oh goodie.

My question still stands if anyone feels like responding properly to it.

Shillistan wrote:But I thought this never happens in any other country?

It's certainly much less common in some places than others. I'm not aware of anyone who says it 'never' happens outside of the US though.

I'm guessing you're not really interested in discussing the topic though, so feel free to have the last word in our conversation is it makes you feel better. I'll only respond if it's actually interesting this time.

Shillistan wrote:But I thought this never happens in any other country?

There's no way to prevent this, you know.

Kargintina the Third wrote:Gun control at work

So much for "Now's Not The Time To Make This Political!" Guess that's only allowed when someone calls for enforced regulations.

Torisakia wrote:

Shillistan wrote:But I thought this never happens in any other country?

There's no way to prevent this, you know.

Don’t tell the politicians that, they might ban more guns.

Torisakia wrote:

Shillistan wrote:But I thought this never happens in any other country?

There's no way to prevent this, you know.

And this was the first Canadian mass shooting in how many years? Whereas in the U.S. you can expect monthly if not weekly shootings like a Call of Duty server. Which seems to be the pro-gun ideal of reducing mass shootings, act like real life is a Call of Duty server.

Thrilling as American race relations and not-so-subtle racist dog whistling are, can we focus on this Canadian guy?

Ankenland wrote:

Rojava Free State wrote:
When you control for poverty, that 13% isn't more likely to commit crime.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... lack-kids/



You should title your response to this post:

"Factually Untrue Statements: How I Became Immune To Data And Learned To Love Repeating Them"

Rojava Free State wrote:And what do you mean outside that 13% the crime rate is reasonable? As a latino, I gotta say we have a horrible crime problem in the community. 50% of American gang members are hispanics. Everyday young Latin men are shot and killed, so this is most definitely not just a black issue. It's also a latino issue and a southeast Asian issue and a native American issue and an Appalachian issue too.

Yes, thank you for reminding us that the vibrant Mexican cartel culture is the next demographic most over-represented in violent crime in America.

This is not a southeast Asian issue, native American issue, or Appalachian issue. There is not much data about those groups because they are so small, and where there is data, it shows that they do not have this problem to the same degree as blacks and latinos.

Uh yes they do. Southeast Asians do have bad gang issues, and this is well known on the west coast. Have you never heard of the Tiny Rascals or Temple Street? And it most certainly is due to concentrated urban poverty as multiple experts have demonstrated repeatedly, like these experts right here: https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... elinquency

Since you think white people don't do this kind of stuff, I can start posting some of the violent crime statistics for several majority white west Virginian cities. They serve as proof that when you concentrate urban poverty, white people do indeed commit a similar amount of violent crime. I know you wanna keep pushing the brown man bad, black man bad narrative, but it isnt based in reality at all. You can title your post "I'm coming out the closet as a bigot and denying reality so my beliefs don't get challenged."

The victims and their families are in my prayers, shameful display.