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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Consequences that potentially put you at risk with your personal information? Are you seriously suggesting this is an acceptable consequence of the potential implementation of such a proposal? I understand the desire to get those who post hate speech but this can easily lend itself to abuse and can put innocent people at risk. Think this through.

It's a drastic measure for shure, and one not without downsides.

But look what anonymity did for us. Anti vax misinformation spreading and growing. Echo chambers using emotions and half truths to blot out truth.

Convenient half truths being used as an excuse to not diagnose and treat actual issues with society.

ANFTA and the Alt Right where born from anonymity, echo chambers and half truths. How many dead? How many injured? How much property damage from these two groups?

Now, note the downsides. All you can think of.

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Consequences that potentially put you at risk with your personal information? Are you seriously suggesting this is an acceptable consequence of the potential implementation of such a proposal? I understand the desire to get those who post hate speech but this can easily lend itself to abuse and can put innocent people at risk. Think this through.

It's a drastic measure for shure, and one not without downsides.

But look what anonymity did for us. Anti vax misinformation spreading and growing. Echo chambers using emotions and half truths to blot out truth.

Convenient half truths being used as an excuse to not diagnose and treat actual issues with society.

ANFTA and the Alt Right where born from anonymity, echo chambers and half truths. How many dead? How many injured? How much property damage from these two groups?

Antivaxxers are ignorant. Hardly a reason to allow their doxxing. As for those groups, authorities now monitor them and have the means to find them if need be. No need to introduce a way for such a thing to be used by unscrupulous people. Again, think this through.

Shrillland wrote:

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:Ostriches are basically emus, which live in Australia.

Damn....touche, indeed.

I would force people to pay to view my glorious masterpieces except that it is against site rules.

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Consequences that potentially put you at risk with your personal information? Are you seriously suggesting this is an acceptable consequence of the potential implementation of such a proposal? I understand the desire to get those who post hate speech but this can easily lend itself to abuse and can put innocent people at risk. Think this through.

It's a drastic measure for shure, and one not without downsides.

But look what anonymity did for us. Anti vax misinformation spreading and growing. Echo chambers using emotions and half truths to blot out truth.

Convenient half truths being used as an excuse to not diagnose and treat actual issues with society.

ANFTA and the Alt Right where born from anonymity, echo chambers and half truths. How many dead? How many injured? How much property damage from these two groups?

Flip side: female on male rape is now being taken seriously for the first time ever in large portions (not the majority) of society because anonymity protected those talking about it from social and economic retribution.

Many of those leaking the real on the ground conditions in dictatorial foreign countries could do so because of anonymity. We also know a lot about the inner craziness of the government, again, due to anonymity.

Anonymity has its hazards, but it also has its perks.

Ultimately Australia needs to be replaced with a Soviet Republic

Socialist Workers Combine wrote:Ultimately Australia needs to be replaced with a Soviet Republic

Austria, not Australia. Soviets had their chance and muffed it.

Galloism wrote:

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:

It's a drastic measure for shure, and one not without downsides.

But look what anonymity did for us. Anti vax misinformation spreading and growing. Echo chambers using emotions and half truths to blot out truth.

Convenient half truths being used as an excuse to not diagnose and treat actual issues with society.

ANFTA and the Alt Right where born from anonymity, echo chambers and half truths. How many dead? How many injured? How much property damage from these two groups?

Flip side: female on male rape is now being taken seriously for the first time ever in large portions (not the majority) of society because anonymity protected those talking about it from social and economic retribution.

Many of those leaking the real on the ground conditions in dictatorial foreign countries could do so because of anonymity. We also know a lot about the inner craziness of the government, again, due to anonymity.

Anonymity has its hazards, but it also has its perks.

I have to agree here, anonymity, for all of its problems, ultimately does the people of the internet infinitely more good than harm.

Socialist Workers Combine wrote:Ultimately Australia needs to be replaced with a Soviet Republic

Australian Socialist Soviets will be their name.

Shrillland wrote:

Socialist Workers Combine wrote:Ultimately Australia needs to be replaced with a Soviet Republic

Austria, not Australia. Soviets had their chance and muffed it.

Shut up, it’s Australia

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:

Shrillland wrote:
Austria, not Australia. Soviets had their chance and muffed it.

Shut up, it’s Australia

Austria, counterfeit Australia?

Duhon wrote:

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:

It's a drastic measure for shure, and one not without downsides.

But look what anonymity did for us. Anti vax misinformation spreading and growing. Echo chambers using emotions and half truths to blot out truth.

Convenient half truths being used as an excuse to not diagnose and treat actual issues with society.

ANFTA and the Alt Right where born from anonymity, echo chambers and half truths. How many dead? How many injured? How much property damage from these two groups?

Now, note the downsides. All you can think of.

It would lead to a short term increase of false arrests, just like swating. But eventually the authorities would get wise to these false flags and not send anyone.

Short term awfulness with a long term goal of a more intelligent populous? Worth it in the end? Possibly. Sense most if not all false arrests can be immediately reversed when authorities find that no law has been broken.

The only real major problems would be accidental shooting from these arrests based on falsified claims. A very grave conscience but one that can be mitigated with non lethal weaponry.

But I give you that it is so grave that the law shouldn't be done, at least not yet.

But the concept and the possible effect of removing a key part in Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory is very tempting. The Alt right and the extreme left have both done damage and have clouded the internet and democracy on half truths accepted on emotion.

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:

It's a drastic measure for shure, and one not without downsides.

But look what anonymity did for us. Anti vax misinformation spreading and growing. Echo chambers using emotions and half truths to blot out truth.

Convenient half truths being used as an excuse to not diagnose and treat actual issues with society.

ANFTA and the Alt Right where born from anonymity, echo chambers and half truths. How many dead? How many injured? How much property damage from these two groups?

Antivaxxers are ignorant. Hardly a reason to allow their doxxing. As for those groups, authorities now monitor them and have the means to find them if need be. No need to introduce a way for such a thing to be used by unscrupulous people. Again, think this through.

Monitoring them doesn't stop the spewage of half truths.

Having there real names out in the open and the ability to receive consequences may be a deterrent from spewing out ideologic dribbble.

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:

Duhon wrote:
Now, note the downsides. All you can think of.

It would lead to a short term increase of false arrests, just like swating. But eventually the authorities would get wise to these false flags and not send anyone.

Short term awfulness with a long term goal of a more intelligent populous? Worth it in the end? Possibly. Sense most if not all false arrests can be immediately reversed when authorities find that no law has been broken.

The only real major problems would be accidental shooting from these arrests based on falsified claims. A very grave conscience but one that can be mitigated with non lethal weaponry.

But I give you that it is so grave that the law shouldn't be done, at least not yet.

But the concept and the possible effect of removing a key part in Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory is very tempting. The Alt right and the extreme left have both done damage and have clouded the internet and democracy on half truths accepted on emotion.

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Antivaxxers are ignorant. Hardly a reason to allow their doxxing. As for those groups, authorities now monitor them and have the means to find them if need be. No need to introduce a way for such a thing to be used by unscrupulous people. Again, think this through.

Monitoring them doesn't stop the spewage of half truths.

Having there real names out in the open and the ability to receive consequences may be a deterrent from spewing out ideologic dribbble.

Making it easy to find personal information on account of those groups and putting millions of innocents at risk is not the way to go. I have given you the chance to think this through, to the end, but you haven’t.

Damn emus plotting for world domination again.

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:It would lead to a short term increase of false arrests, just like swating. But eventually the authorities would get wise to these false flags and not send anyone.

Short term awfulness with a long term goal of a more intelligent populous? Worth it in the end? Possibly. Sense most if not all false arrests can be immediately reversed when authorities find that no law has been broken.

The only real major problems would be accidental shooting from these arrests based on falsified claims. A very grave conscience but one that can be mitigated with non lethal weaponry.

But I give you that it is so grave that the law shouldn't be done, at least not yet.

But the concept and the possible effect of removing a key part in Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory is very tempting. The Alt right and the extreme left have both done damage and have clouded the internet and democracy on half truths accepted on emotion.



Monitoring them doesn't stop the spewage of half truths.

Having there real names out in the open and the ability to receive consequences may be a deterrent from spewing out ideologic dribbble.

Making it easy to find personal information on account of those groups and putting millions of innocents at risk is not the way to go. I have given you the chance to think this through, to the end, but you haven’t.

I thought the first part of my post was thinking it through.

"But I give you that it is so grave that the law shouldn't be done, at least not yet.

But the concept and the possible effect of removing a key part in Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory is very tempting. "

Deutschess Kaiserreich wrote:Damn emus plotting for world domination again.

It’s not the emus you should fear, but the platypi.

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Making it easy to find personal information on account of those groups and putting millions of innocents at risk is not the way to go. I have given you the chance to think this through, to the end, but you haven’t.

I thought the first part of my post was thinking it through.

"But I give you that it is so grave that the law shouldn't be done, at least not yet.

But the concept and the possible effect of removing a key part in Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory is very tempting. "

So you have no issue with the potential abuse of such a proposal in place? Ok, noted.

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
I thought the first part of my post was thinking it through.

"But I give you that it is so grave that the law shouldn't be done, at least not yet.

But the concept and the possible effect of removing a key part in Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory is very tempting. "

So you have no issue with the potential abuse of such a proposal in place? Ok, noted.

Except I did.

"It would lead to a short term increase of false arrests, just like swating. But eventually the authorities would get wise to these false flags and not send anyone.

Short term awfulness with a long term goal of a more intelligent populous? Worth it in the end? Possibly. Sense most if not all false arrests can be immediately reversed when authorities find that no law has been broken.

The only real major problems would be accidental shooting from these arrests based on falsified claims. A very grave conscience but one that can be mitigated with non lethal weaponry.

But I give you that it is so grave that the law shouldn't be done, at least not yet."

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
So you have no issue with the potential abuse of such a proposal in place? Ok, noted.

Except I did.

"It would lead to a short term increase of false arrests, just like swating. But eventually the authorities would get wise to these false flags and not send anyone.

Short term awfulness with a long term goal of a more intelligent populous? Worth it in the end? Possibly. Sense most if not all false arrests can be immediately reversed when authorities find that no law has been broken.

The only real major problems would be accidental shooting from these arrests based on falsified claims. A very grave conscience but one that can be mitigated with non lethal weaponry.

But I give you that it is so grave that the law shouldn't be done, at least not yet."

That’s hardly the only issue. Anonymity has drawbacks but it also has perks needed for reporting wrong doing and other crimes. And no, not all false arrests are easily overturned. Read New California Republic’s post regarding false impersonation too. This law shouldn’t be done, at all. Not now and not ever.

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Government overstepping at its finest. Hate speech is grotesque, but it is not an impressing enough concern to sacrifice civil liberties, and it shouldn't be illegal in the first place.

Yeah, this whole situation is so sad, Liberno. Can we just privatize the shiz outta Austria and repeal all this censoring nonsense?

Wait we’re talking about Austria? I just assume it was Australia since they’re like authoritarian anyway too right

Socialist Workers Combine wrote:Wait we’re talking about Austria? I just assume it was Australia since they’re like authoritarian anyway too right

Yep. It’s Austria. Right there in the title.

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:

Socialist Workers Combine wrote:Ultimately Australia needs to be replaced with a Soviet Republic

Australian Socialist Soviets will be their name.

All the other names are taken.

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:

Except I did.

"It would lead to a short term increase of false arrests, just like swating. But eventually the authorities would get wise to these false flags and not send anyone.

Short term awfulness with a long term goal of a more intelligent populous? Worth it in the end? Possibly. Sense most if not all false arrests can be immediately reversed when authorities find that no law has been broken.

The only real major problems would be accidental shooting from these arrests based on falsified claims. A very grave conscience but one that can be mitigated with non lethal weaponry.

But I give you that it is so grave that the law shouldn't be done, at least not yet."

That’s hardly the only issue. Anonymity has drawbacks but it also has perks needed for reporting wrong doing and other crimes. And no, not all false arrests are easily overturned. Read New California Republic’s post regarding false impersonation too. This law shouldn’t be done, at all. Not now and not ever.

I guess your right.

Ghost Land wrote:I thought the worldwide general trend was supposed to be in favour of increasing personal freedoms, not the other way around. This shouldn't surprise me too much, Austria being a province of the EU who likes taking away civil and economic rights anyway, but this is still seriously messed up and, as others have stated, asking for a data breach. "Let's track who's posting what on the Internet at all times, and if someone says something we don't like, track them down and punish them! No way this is a bad idea!"

Individual liberty is the first casualty whenever a ideology begins to lose political power.