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Falklands, Malvinas, or Independence?

Falklands (UK)
20
17%
Malvinas (Being a part of Argentina)
68
57%
Independent (Neither)
32
27%
 
Total votes : 120

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Postby New Hellenica » Wed Jul 08, 2015 1:54 pm

The Falklands. Obviously.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 08, 2015 1:54 pm

Kouralia wrote:
Aelex wrote:Yeah. As fair as the good old colonial's sport known as "spear waving native's slaughter".

Though, let's be honest - it doesn't need to be fair. If 'X' invades 'Y', then it's only 'X's fault that 'Y' is bigger, badder, better trained and more motivated.


Indeed.

The Empire had no choice but to defend its honour once it faced insult.

If a foreign nation (Argentina), can seize one of the islands of the Lion with impunity, then the Lion is no longer a nation to be feared.

I completely understand Thatcher's decision for war. She had to call the troops. The honour and reputation of Britain was at stake. It couldn't be seen as a crumbling structure.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed Jul 08, 2015 1:55 pm

Benian Republic wrote:Las Islas Malvinas son Argentina.


Well there's a surprise :roll:
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Postby Galloism » Wed Jul 08, 2015 1:55 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Galloism wrote:Duel? What duel?


Argentina tried to grab those islands.

And so there was a war. The British set sail for those islands. The managed to land troops to the doorsteps and secure the island. Argentina was forced to sue for peace.

Remember Thatcher?

A duel has a specific meaning. You implied, perhaps unintentionally, that the president of Argentina and the Queen of England had a joust or fencing duel for the Falklands or something.

Incidentally, that would have been a lot more fun.
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Postby Ecrotia » Wed Jul 08, 2015 1:55 pm

Fun fact, apparently the three people who voted 'no' were given one way tickets to Argentina

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Postby Chartist Socialist Republics » Wed Jul 08, 2015 1:55 pm

Benian Republic wrote:Las Islas Malvinas son Argentina.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Jul 08, 2015 1:56 pm

Galloism wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Argentina tried to grab those islands.

And so there was a war. The British set sail for those islands. The managed to land troops to the doorsteps and secure the island. Argentina was forced to sue for peace.

Remember Thatcher?

A duel has a specific meaning. You implied, perhaps unintentionally, that the president of Argentina and the Queen of England had a joust or fencing duel for the Falklands or something.

Incidentally, that would have been a lot more fun.


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Postby Kouralia » Wed Jul 08, 2015 1:57 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Kouralia wrote:Though, let's be honest - it doesn't need to be fair. If 'X' invades 'Y', then it's only 'X's fault that 'Y' is bigger, badder, better trained and more motivated.


Indeed.

The Empire had no choice but to defend its honour once it faced insult.

If a foreign nation (Argentina), can seize one of the islands of the Lion with impunity, then the Lion is no longer a nation to be feared.

I completely understand Thatcher's decision for war. She had to call the troops.

Why are you euphemistically referring to Britain as 'the Lion'? You should really refer to it as 'the Lion and Unicorn', as the Scots Guards were deployed, and the national animal of Scotland is the Unicorn.

ALso, why are you continually using the term 'Empire', even in relation to 21st century disputes/arguments? The British Empire no longer exists.
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Postby Calimera II » Wed Jul 08, 2015 1:57 pm

NO NOT THIS THREAD AGAIN.

Las Malvinas son, fueron y serán Argentinas.

And we will never, ever agree. [/thread]

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Postby Mefpan » Wed Jul 08, 2015 1:57 pm

Benian Republic wrote:Las Islas Malvinas son Argentina.

They can have the Malvinas. It's too bad that the Malvinas do not exist outside of their revanchism-fueled imperialist fantasies.
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Postby Aelex » Wed Jul 08, 2015 1:58 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:Remember Thatcher?

The bitch who fucked up the entire british economy and made the poor even poorer by destroying the remain of healtcare england still had?
Who won't remember her as the horrible person she was? I mean, if you really wonder if she was "THAT" bad, just look to how people partyed in the street in Irland the day she died and that even in France, who yet had the chance to never subish the tyranny of her or one of her like, they were sales on Brasserie to celebrate her death.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Wed Jul 08, 2015 1:58 pm

This thing a-fucking-gain? Christ. Falklands. Argentina doesn't have even a single legitimate claim.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 08, 2015 1:59 pm

Kouralia wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Indeed.

The Empire had no choice but to defend its honour once it faced insult.

If a foreign nation (Argentina), can seize one of the islands of the Lion with impunity, then the Lion is no longer a nation to be feared.

I completely understand Thatcher's decision for war. She had to call the troops.

Why are you euphemistically referring to Britain as 'the Lion'? You should really refer to it as 'the Lion and Unicorn', as the Scots Guards were deployed, and the national animal of Scotland is the Unicorn.

ALso, why are you continually using the term 'Empire', even in relation to 21st century disputes/arguments? The British Empire no longer exists.


The Empire was never formally dissolved, so technically, it still exists.

Also, the Falkland Islans, Gibraltar, and other islands remain under the control of the British empire.

''The Lion and the Unicorn'' is too long. The Lion has traditionally been the animal that represented the British Empire.

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Postby Olivaero » Wed Jul 08, 2015 1:59 pm

Lhe Falkandvinas?
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 08, 2015 2:00 pm

Aelex wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:Remember Thatcher?

The bitch who fucked up the entire british economy and made the poor even poorer by destroying the remain of healtcare england still had?
Who won't remember her as the horrible person she was? I mean, if you really wonder if she was "THAT" bad, just look to how people partyed in the street in Irland the day she died and that even in France, who yet had the chance to never subish the tyranny of her or one of her like, they were sales on Brasserie to celebrate her death.


Her economic policies may not be the best, but she managed to ensure Britain's continued domination over the Falkland Islands.

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Postby Calimera II » Wed Jul 08, 2015 2:00 pm

Mefpan wrote:
Benian Republic wrote:Las Islas Malvinas son Argentina.

They can have the Malvinas. It's too bad that the Malvinas do not exist outside of their revanchism-fueled imperialist fantasies.


Thank you for your very intelligent answer. Kbye.

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed Jul 08, 2015 2:00 pm

Calimera II wrote:NO NOT THIS THREAD AGAIN.

Las Malvinas son, fueron y serán Argentinas.

And we will never, ever agree. [/thread]


Argentina is the rightful territory of Spain, m8.
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Postby Nova Rossiya » Wed Jul 08, 2015 2:01 pm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands

Take a look at the Wikipedia page I linked -
"In the 2012 census, a majority of residents listed their nationality as Falkland Islander, followed by British..."

The Falkland Islands are an overseas territory of the UK and, by the British Overseas Territories act of 2002, The UK still has sovereignty over them and provides their military and services, though some claim autonomy. No, Argentina will likely never have sovereignty over them. So... Falklands.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jul 08, 2015 2:01 pm

Falklands, the wishes of the people who live there mean far more than Argentina's desire for more clay.
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Postby Calimera II » Wed Jul 08, 2015 2:01 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:This thing a-fucking-gain? Christ. Falklands. Argentina doesn't have even a single legitimate claim.


That's why this conflict is taking over 150 years to resolve.

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Postby The Northumbrian Republic » Wed Jul 08, 2015 2:01 pm

Benian Republic wrote:Las Islas Malvinas son Argentina.

Care to expand your point, just that won't defeat anglo-saxon bias.

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Postby Aelex » Wed Jul 08, 2015 2:01 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:I completely understand Thatcher's decision for war. She had to call the troops. The honour and reputation of Britain was at stake. It couldn't be seen as a crumbling structure.

No. Her handling of the situation was catastrophic. Not as bad as her handling of northern irland (for which she honestly should have been put on a war trial) but still showing off U.K's weakness to the whole world.
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Postby Kouralia » Wed Jul 08, 2015 2:01 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Kouralia wrote:Why are you euphemistically referring to Britain as 'the Lion'? You should really refer to it as 'the Lion and Unicorn', as the Scots Guards were deployed, and the national animal of Scotland is the Unicorn.

ALso, why are you continually using the term 'Empire', even in relation to 21st century disputes/arguments? The British Empire no longer exists.


The Empire was never formally dissolved, so technically, it still exists.

Also, the Falkland Islans, Gibraltar, and other islands remain under the control of the British empire.

''The Lion and the Unicorn'' is too long. The Lion has traditionally been the animal that represented the British Empire.

Yeah, but fucking unicorns brah. Also, no.
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Postby Saint Kitten » Wed Jul 08, 2015 2:01 pm

The Falklands, Argentina needs to build a bridge and get over the fact that they can't have the islands.
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Postby Calimera II » Wed Jul 08, 2015 2:02 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Calimera II wrote:NO NOT THIS THREAD AGAIN.

Las Malvinas son, fueron y serán Argentinas.

And we will never, ever agree. [/thread]


Argentina is the rightful territory of Spain, m8.


K. So that's why Spain recognized Argentina's independence.

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