World Government

[Sibirsky]

Who said there would be no cops? Who said there would be no jails? Your lack of understanding of anarchism is evident. There is private security in use all over the place. Malls, casinos, banks. They can be used for larger areas. We already have private prisons.

Changed your flag lately ? Looks much better now; btw, who´s been this weird looking guy in your former flag ? You ?

Yes I decided to have an anarchist inspired flag to go with Anarchy WA category. If/when I go back to Capitalizt I will go back to the other flag. And I am not weird looking.

Well, it's not as if that system, itself, has any criticisms or anything. Neither does its constituent ideologies -- general anarchism, libertarianism, or capitalism itself. Don't forget "general" anarchy's position on capitalism.

But, of course you'll say, "ALL ideologies have problems!"

True. Yours just has its own, along with at least 3 others, due to its conglomerate nature.

Damn. I have never thought of that. It is clear that an omnipotent, omnipresent government is the only solution.

[The Great Lord Tiger]

Who said there would be no cops? Who said there would be no jails? Your lack of understanding of anarchism is evident. There is private security in use all over the place. Malls, casinos, banks. They can be used for larger areas. We already have private prisons.

Changed your flag lately ? Looks much better now; btw, who´s been this weird looking guy in your former flag ? You ?

Yes I decided to have an anarchist inspired flag to go with Anarchy WA category. If/when I go back to Capitalizt I will go back to the other flag. And I am not weird looking.

Well, it's not as if that system, itself, has any criticisms or anything. Neither does its constituent ideologies -- general anarchism, libertarianism, or capitalism itself. Don't forget "general" anarchy's position on capitalism.

But, of course you'll say, "ALL ideologies have problems!"

True. Yours just has its own, along with at least 3 others, due to its conglomerate nature.

Damn. I have never thought of that. It is clear that an omnipotent, omnipresent government is the only solution.

Or at least one that doesn't have two relatively contradictory ideologies.

[Coffin-Breathe]

You still didn't answer his question.

Why should he work in a manner, or support work, that would benefit the entire populace when he doesn't think the people that keep creating tedious work for him should get benefits even as they cause more useless labor to be needed?

Now I'm just as curious to see what you answer.

Because the accused people would do their work too without questions - why, for example, should I produce energy, so someone can use it to spam my email account ? Same question here. You would do, `cause it´s for the benefit of society, you refuse to, and society is going down; btw, dirt on the streets wouldn´t be such a major issue to anarchistic societies...

[Sibirsky]

Who said there would be no cops? Who said there would be no jails? Your lack of understanding of anarchism is evident. There is private security in use all over the place. Malls, casinos, banks. They can be used for larger areas. We already have private prisons.

Changed your flag lately ? Looks much better now; btw, who´s been this weird looking guy in your former flag ? You ?

Yes I decided to have an anarchist inspired flag to go with Anarchy WA category. If/when I go back to Capitalizt I will go back to the other flag. And I am not weird looking.

Well, it's not as if that system, itself, has any criticisms or anything. Neither does its constituent ideologies -- general anarchism, libertarianism, or capitalism itself. Don't forget "general" anarchy's position on capitalism.

But, of course you'll say, "ALL ideologies have problems!"

True. Yours just has its own, along with at least 3 others, due to its conglomerate nature.

Damn. I have never thought of that. It is clear that an omnipotent, omnipresent government is the only solution.

Or at least one that doesn't have two relatively contradictory ideologies.

No government =/= no private property. What is contradictory?

[Emergent Quality]

Damn. I have never thought of that. It is clear that an omnipotent, omnipresent government is the only solution.

Government doesn't have to be omnipresent if we're capable of maintaining order without it. States that can't rely on the general populace are doomed.

why, for example, should I produce energy, so someone can use it to spam my email account ? Same question here. You would do, `cause it´s for the benefit of society, you refuse to, and society is going down;

You shouldn't. If it is a problem warranting attention, and society will not eliminate the problem, then it is a failed society. Better for it to fall now.

[Urstania]

Adressing that free rider problem of

"a person driving a bus and doesnt pay the fair then where does the money come from to fix the bus and pay the driver?"

Well if money is abolished and the bus belongs to the collective then there is no bus driver. its just humans co-operating to get to thier stops like in the story I told you earlier about the bus driver in spain. As for its maintenance dont you think people that are passionate about being mechanics like my friend I told you about would be more then happy to spend his time tinkering away on it and possably other people passionate.

People who have a mutual appreciation for cars and mechanics can form into an association they could be called the Mechanic's association of X name of town X

they would be like minded individuals, so probably get along and talk of things to do with cars, they would eventually get a mutual respect for one another. all cars that need working on can be taken to the mechanics association to be fixed and thus they get to live our thier lives doing something thier passionate about and still take out from society what they need to live on.

At the end of the day they can go down to the pub with the homebrew the "Association of home made brew" made for society to take and drink freely at the pub. anybody who ever aspired to be a chef would be free to use the kitchens of the restaurant and there they can experiament with recipe's and meals can be taken to the counter for people to freely take or even ask one of the chef's if they are able to make such and such a dish to eat. In the background perhaps there would be an open mic where any aspiring artist can read poetry or sing a song.

wouldnt that be a rewarding day for all involved? you would form bonds with people you otherwise never would of met all with the idea of mutual respect and freedom and liberty.
Afterwards why not have a communal fire works display down by the river?
In my town they organized a "town long dinner" in many tables were brought out onto the riverfront in one long chain and it seated a few hundred people and waiters just brought out the meals and people could grab what they wanted from the middle of the tables and put it on thier plate and eat together. If you didnt have to pay for the seating tickets then that would of been an example of anarchism

[Coffin-Breathe]

fourth, you as well use my work (posting) for a "higher" (noble) cause for spamming and remarking it on your own purposes - wouldn´t this be exactly the same ?

No. Your work is built upon by my questioning.

Incorrect - I would have been gone some time before, having my meals - basically you intrigued me in staying hungry, just feel guilty now...
btw, as the streets are called public, and everyone uses some of them now and then, it´s again for the benefit of the society to ceep them clean from society´s waste and dirt. And everyone dirted some of them sometimes, so no exception...

[Emergent Quality]

doing something thier passionate about and still take out from society what they need to live on.

It's like you say. They're taking from society for the sake of their passions.

[Coffin-Breathe]

...and no one in here will stop me now from having my lunch - bye

[Emergent Quality]

Incorrect - I would have been gone some time before, having my meals - basically you intrigued me in staying hungry, just feel guilty now...

If you are hungry enough that your food is more important, than go eat. That's your choice.

And everyone dirted some of them sometimes, so no exception...

No, there is no reason to litter. Why am I cleaning for people who litter? Do I love them for littering?

[Urstania]

doing something thier passionate about and still take out from society what they need to live on.

It's like you say. They're taking from society for the sake of their passions.

And thats bad why? there also putting into society a service people need. Everyone has something to contribute. just let the human being inside you find something your passionate about and release it without inhibitions and you will make someone happy or a use for it can be found somewhere.

Or in an anarchist society would you really want nothing to do with it and contribute nothing just because you want it to fail?

[Allbeama]

Adressing that free rider problem of

"a person driving a bus and doesnt pay the fair then where does the money come from to fix the bus and pay the driver?"

Well if money is abolished and the bus belongs to the collective then there is no bus driver. its just humans co-operating to get to thier stops like in the story I told you earlier about the bus driver in spain. As for its maintenance dont you think people that are passionate about being mechanics like my friend I told you about would be more then happy to spend his time tinkering away on it and possably other people passionate.

People who have a mutual appreciation for cars and mechanics can form into an association they could be called the Mechanic's association of X name of town X

they would be like minded individuals, so probably get along and talk of things to do with cars, they would eventually get a mutual respect for one another. all cars that need working on can be taken to the mechanics association to be fixed and thus they get to live our thier lives doing something thier passionate about and still take out from society what they need to live on.

At the end of the day they can go down to the pub with the homebrew the "Association of home made brew" made for society to take and drink freely at the pub. anybody who ever aspired to be a chef would be free to use the kitchens of the restaurant and there they can experiament with recipe's and meals can be taken to the counter for people to freely take or even ask one of the chef's if they are able to make such and such a dish to eat. In the background perhaps there would be an open mic where any aspiring artist can read poetry or sing a song.

wouldnt that be a rewarding day for all involved? you would form bonds with people you otherwise never would of met all with the idea of mutual respect and freedom and liberty.
Afterwards why not have a communal fire works display down by the river?
In my town they organized a "town long dinner" in many tables were brought out onto the riverfront in one long chain and it seated a few hundred people and waiters just brought out the meals and people could grab what they wanted from the middle of the tables and put it on thier plate and eat together. If you didnt have to pay for the seating tickets then that would of been an example of anarchism

That is a nice narrative, but it would require that everyone has passions and skills and talents that they just wish to contribute to society, in exchange for benefits from others. In a sense you refer to the barter system. Which would be really hard to impossible to implement now.

I gotta go with the capitalists here and say that there needs to be money and commerce driving what we do as a society, but I favor regulation by the government myself. Anarchy, regardless of economic ideology, just seems unlikely to work.

[Urstania]

If you are hungry enough that your food is more important, than go eat. That's your choice.

See you have anarchist leanings afterall without judgement you acknowledged he needed to eat and you didnt impose you will on him to not allow him to eat. if every human just had this value of non intervention in eachothers lives then the society im trying to describe could happen. a natural balance would occur.

Just dont hold any authority above your own live. everything you are experiencing is your own unique bodily experience of life and you shouldnt feel shame or guilt in anything you do. We all populate this world why should a few people design rules over a peice of land we all occupy together?

[Emergent Quality]

just let the human being inside you find something your passionate about and release it without inhibitions and you will make someone happy or a use for it can be found somewhere.

No thanks, I only have sex with people I love. What common purpose do I share with people whose primary reason for associating with me is to engage in their "passions"? You would probably say that I should let these people fuck me in the ass so that I too can fuck others, who I also have no common purpose with. But I'm not interested.

Or in an anarchist society would you really want nothing to do with it and contribute nothing just because you want it to fail?

Yes. I hope I can die doing so.

See you have anarchist leanings afterall

You haven't said anything worth replying to here...

[Lelouche]

People who have a mutual appreciation for cars and mechanics can form into an association they could be called the Mechanic's association of X name of town X

Until of course this "Auto Union" realized it had ultimate authority over all things mechanical, and with no laws to stop them, they could abuse the collective, because of their valuable talents

"You want your car fixed?...well I'm rather busy, what's in it for me?
What's that? without your truck you won't be able to bring your produce to the people?
Tell you what...your daughter is rather hot...how about she pay my fee? yeah...that's right"

Your society would collapse as soon as enough liked minded people with guns (Gun Union), got together and decided they'd rather the power to do whatever the hell they want, instead of some idealistic world where everyone just gave everything to everyone else.

Oh, and if I produce something, I'll be dammed if the "Collective" determines I don't actually "Own" it.

You don't need government to have a concept of property, you just need one to enforce it.

[Urstania]

just let the human being inside you find something your passionate about and release it without inhibitions and you will make someone happy or a use for it can be found somewhere.

No thanks, I only have sex with people I love. What common purpose do I share with people whose primary reason for associating with me is to engage in their "passions"? You would probably say that I should let these people fuck me in the ass so that I too can fuck others. But I'm not interested.

Or in an anarchist society would you really want nothing to do with it and contribute nothing just because you want it to fail?

Yes. I hope I can die doing so.

Ok so you only have sex with people you love, great all power too ya. If you dont want to have sex with someone its your choice but what im trying to say is who is that maybe another human likes having sex with humans as a recreational thing. but thats none of our business right? so who are we so impose our will and judgement over them. That is thier unique bodily experience of life and if its consensual and they find it rewarding then why not?

Ignorance is the establishments biggest weapon just go with the each to thier own, live and let life approach to life and when people are open and tolerant to one another you just seem to naturally get along with people much better. I made friends with a transgendered prostitute once when I was staying at a hostel in australia. If i was a closed minded intolerant bigot I probably never would of assosiated with her or probably said something nasty..... But instead i kept a tolerant and open mind and I ended up having some intense and interesting political discussions. becuase of our mutual interest and keeping an open mind I was able to get along with her perfectly fine and who am I to judge how she lived her life..... As it turns out she was returning back to new zealand to live because she use to live in san franscisco and aparently the police were quite brutal and bigotted to her and her friends

See the police which have power are bound to abuse it so I just believe we should abolish the means for people to have power over one another

[North Avayu]

I hope that one day it will be possible to unite mankind under one government where interests of all the people are represented the same. Sadly, I think this will be just a dream for a very long time, probably forever. The sense of nationalism is still too with us, we all feel superior to someone because of the piece of land we live on.
Not to speak of the new problems which would arise under a world government. At least with the technology of today it would be a n impossible task in bureaucracy, administration and logistic.

[Lelouche]

The sense of nationalism is still too with us, we all feel superior to someone because of the piece of land we live on.
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I don't feel that the land I live on makes me superior in any way, I do however feel the Government which represents the people of my land, is more inclined to protect me and my interests then say, The people of Zimbabwe., Where they eat albino's for their magical power.

[Emergent Quality]

Ok so you only have sex with people you love, great all power too ya. If you dont want to have sex with someone its your choice but what im trying to say is who is that maybe another human likes having sex with humans as a recreational thing. but thats none of our business right? so who are we so impose our will and judgement over them. That is thier unique bodily experience of life and if its consensual and they find it rewarding then why not?

I was comparing work to sex. I have no problem with sex itself. I have a problem working with them if their purpose is nothing more than self-pleasure. I'm not going to help them live to pleasure themselves.

[Urstania]

Honestly I can point to a number of examples of anarchism in practice even in todays society.

Have you heard of the Anarchist squats in Barcelona, Paris and Athens? its huge there.

basically people who was to live in total freedom and liberation occupy an abandoned building, pool together for resources, eat communally. a Barcelona squat holds a community event every saturday and has a communal garden where anyone is able to put in and take out what they need and no one is taking to much or being greedy cuase there is mutual respect and this is in the big city of barcelona.

Currently I think 23 people live in this one particular Squat. and most of the people are foriegn as if the concept of nationality no longer existed and some squats do invite foriegn tourists to stay and offer accomodation in exchange for working on the communal farming area.

The Kabutz in Israel are also perfect examples of functioning anarchism. Basically they supply you with free clothing and accomodation in exchange for working on the farm and small duties.

There is a native papua new guinea tribe that praticses communal living and not imposing thier will on one another and they cant stand our way of life but unfortunatly some corporation is thinking of building a gold mind close by which will have some problem on the landscape and the way they hunt.... what a shame we have put so much value on gold

Christmas day for me was like a blue print for anarchism in my family. Basically mum and dad were sober drivers. me and my two sisters did all the cooking for the food we all each supplied we. we all contributed to putting up a badmington net at the beach. if anybody wanted to play with us or with the net we had no problem letting them. we went for a walk with my uncles friend who none of us knew but it was no problem casue we all got along with eachother and there were other people at the beach. Imagine if you were born into such a society of mutual co-operation and that was all you knew. Where is their an oppourtunity for greed to emerge? perhaps there would be some fuckwits not ready to think that there is a world out there of living humans with thier own dreams and aspirations and would want to spoil it for everyone by forcing us to participate in wage slavery where we need money to have food in our belly and have to put a price of every moment of our life spending it in mindless work and tasks for someone above you who gets all the profits and live in luxury compared to the rest and then other people get the idea to chase after that same dream with no regard for eachother

[Emergent Quality]

There is a native papua new guinea tribe that praticses communal living and not imposing thier will on one another and they cant stand our way of life but unfortunatly some corporation is thinking of building a gold mind close by which will have some problem on the landscape and the way they hunt.... what a shame we have put so much value on gold

Although I don't approve of the corporation, these people do live to play badminton.

[Herrebrugh]

I'll be in charge

If you are going to be in charge I am going to emigrate to Mars

[Charlotte Ryberg]

I would say the UN has some international authority but not over 100% of the planet though: but if you mean a New World Order: no thanks!

[Dorksonian]

Hell no I wouldn't support it. Why do I need someone to rule over me?

[M07H3R]

A strong but accountable one world government is the only way to assure the freedom of the masses everywhere. Here are some of the problems a one world government would be able to solve much more effectively:

-Poverty.
-Terrorism.
-Climate change (assuming it's man-made, but that's another debate)
-War.
-Overpopulation.
-Capitalism (leading to the current financial crisis and eventually corporatism)
-Drugs.
-Corporatism (leading to war, environmental destruction, human exploitation and more)
-Fundementalism

Additionally, we'd be able to progress faster as a species with a strong but accountable one world government. The following would benefit hugely:

-Much better development all over the world means a greater proportion of the world population recieves a decent education. Think how many more potential geniuses that would unlock!
-The lack of war means we're free to colonise off-world.
-Science and technology would increase due to easier cooperation between scientists of differing nations (due to them now being part of the same nation)
-Food shortages/resource problems could be better managed, and their root cause (overpopulation) could be better solved with a uniform policy (like a world wide one child policy).