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Postby Vassenor » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:46 am

Eisen Wolf Reich wrote:Why can't people just accept the fact that history is fucked up, and leave up the monuments so that people can remember that we shouldn't fuck up in the future.


So how did the great purge of all things Soviet from Russia in the 90s erase the USSR from history?
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Eisen Wolf Reich wrote:Why can't people just accept the fact that history is fucked up, and leave up the monuments so that people can remember that we shouldn't fuck up in the future.

Traitors do not get statues
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:48 am

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Eisen Wolf Reich wrote:Why can't people just accept the fact that history is fucked up, and leave up the monuments so that people can remember that we shouldn't fuck up in the future.


So how did the great purge of all things Soviet from Russia in the 90s erase the USSR from history?

Well, it's happening again so...
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Postby Dylar » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:49 am

Vassenor wrote:
Eisen Wolf Reich wrote:Why can't people just accept the fact that history is fucked up, and leave up the monuments so that people can remember that we shouldn't fuck up in the future.


So how did the great purge of all things Soviet from Russia in the 90s erase the USSR from history?

Well...they didn't purge everything Soviet. They still have some Soviet monuments in Poland, according to a Communist-Polish friend of mine. And Russia still has some abandoned Soviet submarine bases and abandoned Soviet nuclear bunkers lying around.I know that from Military History Channel
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Postby Eisen Wolf Reich » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:50 am

Vassenor wrote:
Eisen Wolf Reich wrote:Why can't people just accept the fact that history is fucked up, and leave up the monuments so that people can remember that we shouldn't fuck up in the future.


So how did the great purge of all things Soviet from Russia in the 90s erase the USSR from history?


Dont change my point. I never said anything about things being erased from history.

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Postby Eisen Wolf Reich » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:50 am

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Eisen Wolf Reich wrote:Why can't people just accept the fact that history is fucked up, and leave up the monuments so that people can remember that we shouldn't fuck up in the future.

Traitors do not get statues


Technically, the south weren't traitors, they declared independence. By that logic we Americans are all traitors to Britain.

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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:52 am

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Neither am I.

I have a bunch of posts of yours that say otherwise
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Thermodolia wrote:Traitors do not get statues


Technically, the south weren't traitors, they declared independence. By that logic we Americans are all traitors to Britain.

Yes. We are traitors to Britain.

It's like trying to call the alt right racist. We embrace the treachery.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:53 am

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Thermodolia wrote:Traitors do not get statues


Technically, the south weren't traitors, they declared independence. By that logic we Americans are all traitors to Britain.

No they where traitors. If the British want to call us traitors they can go ahead.
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Postby Eisen Wolf Reich » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:55 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Eisen Wolf Reich wrote:
Technically, the south weren't traitors, they declared independence. By that logic we Americans are all traitors to Britain.

Yes. We are traitors to Britain.

It's like trying to call the alt right racist. We embrace the treachery.


If we are fine with being traitors, then isn't it hypocritical to call the south traitors, and be mad about them declaring independence, but then turn around on the 4th of July and celebrate yours?

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:55 am

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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Yes. We are traitors to Britain.

It's like trying to call the alt right racist. We embrace the treachery.


If we are fine with being traitors, then isn't it hypocritical to call the south traitors, and be mad about them declaring independence, but then turn around on the 4th of July and celebrate yours?

No.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:55 am

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Vassenor wrote:
So how did the great purge of all things Soviet from Russia in the 90s erase the USSR from history?


Dont change my point. I never said anything about things being erased from history.


Well you're saying that removing statues stops people from learning. That's an implied erasure.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:56 am

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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Yes. We are traitors to Britain.

It's like trying to call the alt right racist. We embrace the treachery.


If we are fine with being traitors, then isn't it hypocritical to call the south traitors, and be mad about them declaring independence, but then turn around on the 4th of July and celebrate yours?

No. We won they lost.
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Postby Eisen Wolf Reich » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:56 am

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Dont change my point. I never said anything about things being erased from history.


Well you're saying that removing statues stops people from learning. That's an implied erasure.


No, no it isn't.

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Postby Topoliani » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:56 am

If you are arguing for this because "Moi Slavery" then should we destroy most of the monuments in the world? (I.E Egyptian monuments)
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:56 am

Vassenor wrote:
Eisen Wolf Reich wrote:
Dont change my point. I never said anything about things being erased from history.


Well you're saying that removing statues stops people from learning. That's an implied erasure.

He didn't say that.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:57 am

Eisen Wolf Reich wrote:Technically, the south weren't traitors, they declared independence. By that logic we Americans are all traitors to Britain.

We were. It's why we don't demand the UK erect statues celebrating the American Revolution.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:57 am

Eisen Wolf Reich wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Traitors do not get statues


Technically, the south weren't traitors, they declared independence. By that logic we Americans are all traitors to Britain.


Constitution of the United States, Article III Section 3 wrote:Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.


So yes, they were.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:57 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Eisen Wolf Reich wrote:Technically, the south weren't traitors, they declared independence. By that logic we Americans are all traitors to Britain.

We were. It's why we don't demand the UK erect statues celebrating the American Revolution.

We should though. :^)
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Topoliani wrote:If you are arguing for this because "Moi Slavery" then should we destroy most of the monuments in the world? (I.E Egyptian monuments)


So how do the Pyramids glorify slavery and those that fought to preserve it?
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Topoliani wrote:If you are arguing for this because "Moi Slavery" then should we destroy most of the monuments in the world? (I.E Egyptian monuments)

Most regimes didn't exist for the sole purpose of preserving slavery against a democratic regime that had merely threatened to stop its spread and not actually even ban or otherwise restrict it.
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Postby Topoliani » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:58 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Topoliani wrote:If you are arguing for this because "Moi Slavery" then should we destroy most of the monuments in the world? (I.E Egyptian monuments)

Most regimes didn't exist for the sole purpose of preserving slavery against a democratic regime that had merely threatened to stop its spread and not actually even ban or otherwise restrict it.

This is true.
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Vassenor wrote:
Topoliani wrote:If you are arguing for this because "Moi Slavery" then should we destroy most of the monuments in the world? (I.E Egyptian monuments)


So how do the Pyramids glorify slavery and those that fought to preserve it?

Slave labor, didn't you read the Bible?
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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So how do the Pyramids glorify slavery and those that fought to preserve it?

Slave labor, didn't you read the Bible?


Doesn't answer my question. "Built by slaves" =/= "glorify slavery and those that fought to preserve it".
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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Slave labor, didn't you read the Bible?

Sarcasm? Most historians regard the account of Exodus as of dubious historicity in terms of scope and use of Hebrew slaves.
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