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Bromagia wrote:

Atkemri wrote:I personally don't know why the U.S is being blamed for being agressive when Iran harried our ships but I really hope that this remains in the saber rattling category. Especially considering Russian ships did the same thing around the same time. link for that here

Everything the US does is some nefarious plot, don't ya know?

US-SSR wrote:
Have you seen them? One guy with a burp gun mounted in the prow of a speedboat vs. an armored frigate? Are you kidding? Meanwhile Russian planes buzz US military aircraft around the world and Trump says...fuck all. imo the Iranians just need to dig up some dirt about Hunter Biden and they can play speedboat chicken with heavily armed US warships all day and all night.

As was said before, the speed boats could have explosives. Plus, self defense exists as a right even if your assailant would be relatively ineffectual.

A shitty regional power doesn't get the same treatment as a global player when doing unsafe and provocative things? How shocking.

The point being that regional powers and/or global players that play chicken with US assets should get the same treatment rhetorically, and that the reason Putin fares better than the mullahs on that score is that Trump owes his election to the former and wants to keep on his good side in case he can help in 2020. The numbnuts who blew up the Cole weren't Revolutionary Guards, they were hired stooges. Maybe the Russian MiGs have explosives too, why not sink them since we're shooting down pissant Iranian speedboats? Again the answer is because Trump is a Russian puppet and Putin's bumboy.

I certainly hope we can shoot down any ships flying nearby.

I had no idea the Iranians were so advanced.

Clearly:

US-SSR wrote:

Bromagia wrote:Everything the US does is some nefarious plot, don't ya know?

As was said before, the speed boats could have explosives. Plus, self defense exists as a right even if your assailant would be relatively ineffectual.

A shitty regional power doesn't get the same treatment as a global player when doing unsafe and provocative things? How shocking.

The point being that regional powers and/or global players that play chicken with US assets should get the same treatment rhetorically, and that the reason Putin fares better than the mullahs on that score is that Trump owes his election to the former and wants to keep on his good side in case he can help in 2020. The numbnuts who blew up the Cole weren't Revolutionary Guards, they were hired stooges. Maybe the Russian MiGs have explosives too, why not sink them since we're shooting down pissant Iranian speedboats? Again the answer is because Trump is a Russian puppet and Putin's bumboy.

I was wondering when you'd show up and start spouting the discredited "Russia elected Trump" theory. Are you going to be making the same argument when Biden loses? If Democrats win - election be fair. If Republicans win - it's like totes Russia's fault. Not sure what that has to do with Iran, but keep on sidetracking the discussion, seems to be a hobby.

Shofercia wrote:Clearly:

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US-SSR wrote:
The point being that regional powers and/or global players that play chicken with US assets should get the same treatment rhetorically, and that the reason Putin fares better than the mullahs on that score is that Trump owes his election to the former and wants to keep on his good side in case he can help in 2020. The numbnuts who blew up the Cole weren't Revolutionary Guards, they were hired stooges. Maybe the Russian MiGs have explosives too, why not sink them since we're shooting down pissant Iranian speedboats? Again the answer is because Trump is a Russian puppet and Putin's bumboy.

I was wondering when you'd show up and start spouting the discredited "Russia elected Trump" theory. Are you going to be making the same argument when Biden loses? If Democrats win - election be fair. If Republicans win - it's like totes Russia's fault. Not sure what that has to do with Iran, but keep on sidetracking the discussion, seems to be a hobby.

The theory that was discredited by the Senate Intelligence Committee report? That discredited theory? Really, try to keep up.

Galloism wrote:I certainly hope we can shoot down any ships flying nearby.

I had no idea the Iranians were so advanced.

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It's what happens when you use tech that falls from the Skye

Shofercia wrote:

Galloism wrote:I certainly hope we can shoot down any ships flying nearby.

I had no idea the Iranians were so advanced.

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It's what happens when you use tech that falls from the Skye

Oh you.

US-SSR wrote:

Shofercia wrote:Clearly:

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I was wondering when you'd show up and start spouting the discredited "Russia elected Trump" theory. Are you going to be making the same argument when Biden loses? If Democrats win - election be fair. If Republicans win - it's like totes Russia's fault. Not sure what that has to do with Iran, but keep on sidetracking the discussion, seems to be a hobby.

The theory that was discredited by the Senate Intelligence Committee report? That discredited theory? Really, try to keep up.

Senate Intelligence Committee Report: Russia intervened
Your Discredited Claim: without Russian intervention, Trump wouldn't have been elected
Thing that you failed to prove: that Russians intervention actually led to Trump's election

You're essentially showing everyone that B is true, and then arguing that C is true, because A + B = C. But you haven't proven that A is true, and that's your logical fallacy.

However, let's assume that Russia's intervention led to Trump's election; if that's the case, wasn't that Obama's failure to safeguard US election from foreign influence? In the age of the internet, foreign interference is going to happen. It's up to numerous US intelligence agencies to make sure said intervention is ineffective. So either the Obama cabinet, with Obama at the helm, failed miserably, like utter morons, or the intervention was ineffective. Can't have it both ways. I think that it was ineffective, and I've yet to see any proof to the contrary.

I don't see any downside. Remember that Iran is only able to attack the US overseas and not on its home soil. Whilst the US is able to at minimum, wage an air campaign against Iran if it needed to come to that. If its strictly a naval engagement, it'll be confined to that. Iran wouldn't escalate and if they do, the US can respond in kind or choose to ignore their action if it'll bring the brinkmanship down.

Most people want peace.

Shofercia wrote:Clearly:

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...does the President of Turkmenistan know there's an American military base in his country?

Sundiata wrote:Most people want peace.

I just put your entire retirement fund in the arms dealing business. Are you sure.

New Raffica wrote:No war will happen. Trump is like North Korea in terms of all bark but no bite. (At least in terms of military action)

Didn't they say the same thing about Britain and Germany before WW2?

Greed and Death wrote:

Sundiata wrote:Most people want peace.

I just put your entire retirement fund in the arms dealing business. Are you sure.

I'm no Dick Cheney.

Costa Fierro wrote:

Shofercia wrote:Clearly:

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...does the President of Turkmenistan know there's an American military base in his country?

Probably. It's a bit hard for the nation's radars to miss transport planes going in and out of the air base.

US-SSR wrote:

Bromagia wrote:Everything the US does is some nefarious plot, don't ya know?

As was said before, the speed boats could have explosives. Plus, self defense exists as a right even if your assailant would be relatively ineffectual.

A shitty regional power doesn't get the same treatment as a global player when doing unsafe and provocative things? How shocking.

The point being that regional powers and/or global players that play chicken with US assets should get the same treatment rhetorically, and that the reason Putin fares better than the mullahs on that score is that Trump owes his election to the former and wants to keep on his good side in case he can help in 2020. The numbnuts who blew up the Cole weren't Revolutionary Guards, they were hired stooges. Maybe the Russian MiGs have explosives too, why not sink them since we're shooting down pissant Iranian speedboats? Again the answer is because Trump is a Russian puppet and Putin's bumboy.

Don't be ridiculous. Of course you don't treat the two the same. Shoot down a Russian jet and there's going to be a lot of headaches going around, moreso than if you'd done nothing.

Sink an Iranian boat and Iranian militants stop harassing you with boats and their gov just has to eat it.

I know this thread kinda dropped off, but it looks like the game is back on.


"Trump on Twitter tells US Navy to 'shoot down and destroy' Iranian boats that harass US ships"


https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/22/politics ... index.html

Tarsonis wrote:I know this thread kinda dropped off, but it looks like the game is back on.


"Trump on Twitter tells US Navy to 'shoot down and destroy' Iranian boats that harass US ships"


https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/22/politics ... index.html

So basically he wants them to sink ships just for looking at them wrong.

Gormwood wrote:

Tarsonis wrote:I know this thread kinda dropped off, but it looks like the game is back on.


"Trump on Twitter tells US Navy to 'shoot down and destroy' Iranian boats that harass US ships"


https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/22/politics ... index.html

So basically he wants them to sink ships just for looking at them wrong.

Considering the latest incident it's a bit more than that

Tarsonis wrote:I know this thread kinda dropped off, but it looks like the game is back on.


"Trump on Twitter tells US Navy to 'shoot down and destroy' Iranian boats that harass US ships"


https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/22/politics ... index.html

Told you he was gonna get us nuked before he was done.

Ameriganastan wrote:

Tarsonis wrote:I know this thread kinda dropped off, but it looks like the game is back on.


"Trump on Twitter tells US Navy to 'shoot down and destroy' Iranian boats that harass US ships"


https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/22/politics ... index.html

Told you he was gonna get us nuked before he was done.

Iran doesn't have nukes

Tarsonis wrote:

Ameriganastan wrote:Told you he was gonna get us nuked before he was done.

Iran doesn't have nukes

Not yet. But considering Trump stupidly left the Iran Nuclear Deal, the are probably going to tr to now. Only Europe’s pleading has kept them in the deal.

Insaanistan wrote:

Tarsonis wrote:
Iran doesn't have nukes

Not yet. But considering Trump stupidly left the Iran Nuclear Deal, the are probably going to tr to now. Only Europe’s pleading has kept them in the deal.

Yup.

Insaanistan wrote:

Tarsonis wrote:
Iran doesn't have nukes

Not yet. But considering Trump stupidly left the Iran Nuclear Deal, the are probably going to tr to now. Only Europe’s pleading has kept them in the deal.

That deal they weren't honoring in the first place? Okay

Insaanistan wrote:

Tarsonis wrote:
Iran doesn't have nukes

Not yet. But considering Trump stupidly left the Iran Nuclear Deal, the are probably going to tr to now. Only Europe’s pleading has kept them in the deal.

The IR isn't in the position to try anything. They are toasted by Covid-19 and the implosion of the oil market.

Tarsonis wrote:

Insaanistan wrote:
Not yet. But considering Trump stupidly left the Iran Nuclear Deal, the are probably going to tr to now. Only Europe’s pleading has kept them in the deal.

That deal they weren't honoring in the first place? Okay

Suure they weren't. Anything to rationalize Donnie's FUCKOBAMA tantrum.