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Postby San Lumen » Sat Jul 13, 2019 2:11 pm

Telconi wrote:
Kowani wrote:Reminder that up until the 2018 midterms, CA sent Republicans to DC like everyone else.


Which is irrelevant to state government.

Republicans lost seats in Sacramento as well last election

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Postby Telconi » Sat Jul 13, 2019 2:17 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Which is irrelevant to state government.

Republicans lost seats in Sacramento as well last election


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Postby Kowani » Sat Jul 13, 2019 2:26 pm

Telconi wrote:
Kowani wrote:Reminder that up until the 2018 midterms, CA sent Republicans to DC like everyone else.


Which is irrelevant to state government.

And yet the State Government also has Republicans.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Jul 13, 2019 2:29 pm

Kowani wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Which is irrelevant to state government.

And yet the State Government also has Republicans.


Uh huh...
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Postby Kowani » Sat Jul 13, 2019 2:38 pm

Telconi wrote:
Kowani wrote:And yet the State Government also has Republicans.


Uh huh...

Point

The Senate also has Republicans, but the Dems have a supermajority, so I didn’t bother.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Jul 13, 2019 2:52 pm

Kowani wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Uh huh...

Point

The Senate also has Republicans, but the Dems have a supermajority, so I didn’t bother.


Which negates the assertion that it's a de-facto one party state how?
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:57 pm

Telconi wrote:
Kowani wrote:And yet the State Government also has Republicans.


Uh huh...

Voted in via a free and fair election and more democrats got elected. The same in Oregon
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:58 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Uh huh...

Voted in via a free and fair election and more democrats got elected. The sane in Oregon


are you implying democrats are only elected by sane people?
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:05 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Voted in via a free and fair election and more democrats got elected. The sane in Oregon


are you implying democrats are only elected by sane people?

Typo sorry

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Postby Telconi » Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:22 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Uh huh...

Voted in via a free and fair election and more democrats got elected. The same in Oregon


You keep pushing this point like it has meaning other than just a total non-sequiter.
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Postby Tobleste » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:35 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Voted in via a free and fair election and more democrats got elected. The sane in Oregon


are you implying democrats are only elected by sane people?


He may have made a typo but tbh, it sure looks like Democrats v Republicans is a case of asylum staff v patients from the outside.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:54 pm

Tobleste wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
are you implying democrats are only elected by sane people?


He may have made a typo but tbh, it sure looks like Democrats v Republicans is a case of asylum staff v patients from the outside.

Demeaning tens of millions of people has never convinced them of your politics.
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Postby Kowani » Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:24 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Tobleste wrote:
He may have made a typo but tbh, it sure looks like Democrats v Republicans is a case of asylum staff v patients from the outside.

Demeaning tens of millions of people has never convinced them of your politics.

Like we were ever going to convince anyone on NSG.
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Postby Telconi » Sun Jul 14, 2019 2:40 am

Tobleste wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
are you implying democrats are only elected by sane people?


He may have made a typo but tbh, it sure looks like Democrats v Republicans is a case of asylum staff v patients from the outside.


Not to the staff.
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Postby Ors Might » Sun Jul 14, 2019 6:19 am

Kowani wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Demeaning tens of millions of people has never convinced them of your politics.

Like we were ever going to convince anyone on NSG.

Eh, believe it or not but I have seen people on NSG change one or two of their positions after engaging in debate. It’s rare but it happens.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Jul 14, 2019 6:45 am

Ors Might wrote:
Kowani wrote:Like we were ever going to convince anyone on NSG.

Eh, believe it or not but I have seen people on NSG change one or two of their positions after engaging in debate. It’s rare but it happens.

I'm pretty sure we won over one or two couple people in the gun control thread.
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Postby Ors Might » Sun Jul 14, 2019 7:07 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Eh, believe it or not but I have seen people on NSG change one or two of their positions after engaging in debate. It’s rare but it happens.

I'm pretty sure we won over one or two couple people in the gun control thread.

Good times.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:12 am

Ors Might wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:I'm pretty sure we won over one or two couple people in the gun control thread.

Good times.


TBH, I think that the GCT is one of THE most successful conversion threads on NSG.

Which honestly isn't that shocking all things considered.

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Postby Page » Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:28 am

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San Lumen wrote:Yeah because how dare you have to share the state with people who disagree with your views and aren't on a ranch or farm.

Go move to one party state like Wyoming then you wont have complain about how everyone is out to get you.

California is a de-facto one party state, because the republicans are treated like trash.


"Treated like trash" is a dramatic way to state that most Californians don't vote for Republicans because they don't believe in Republican ideology, as being a decent person demands sometimes voting for people you don't want just to throw them a bone.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:52 am

Ors Might wrote:
Kowani wrote:Like we were ever going to convince anyone on NSG.

Eh, believe it or not but I have seen people on NSG change one or two of their positions after engaging in debate. It’s rare but it happens.

That is true, I got Xeno to oppose the electoral college once…
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Postby Telconi » Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:53 am

Page wrote:
Tornado Queendom wrote:California is a de-facto one party state, because the republicans are treated like trash.


"Treated like trash" is a dramatic way to state that most Californians don't vote for Republicans because they don't believe in Republican ideology, as being a decent person demands sometimes voting for people you don't want just to throw them a bone.


You can disagree with a person respectfully. When you actively silence them in the Senate, literally just to shut them up, when the governor actively insults the opposition party wholesale, when punitive laws with no purpose other than to penalize the opposition for wrongthink are proposed and sometimes even passed.

This is treating your opposition like shit.
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Postby Ors Might » Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:55 am

Kowani wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Eh, believe it or not but I have seen people on NSG change one or two of their positions after engaging in debate. It’s rare but it happens.

That is true, I got Xeno to oppose the electoral college once…

Debates might not always be effective, but I don’t know of many other ways to get someone to genuinely change their positions.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:55 am

Telconi wrote:
Page wrote:
"Treated like trash" is a dramatic way to state that most Californians don't vote for Republicans because they don't believe in Republican ideology, as being a decent person demands sometimes voting for people you don't want just to throw them a bone.


You can disagree with a person respectfully. When you actively silence them in the Senate, literally just to shut them up, when the governor actively insults the opposition party wholesale, when punitive laws with no purpose other than to penalize the opposition for wrongthink are proposed and sometimes even passed.

This is treating your opposition like shit.

And your party doesn’t insult the other side and try to penalize the opposition? You have any proof of your claim?

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Postby Kowani » Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:57 am

Ors Might wrote:
Kowani wrote:That is true, I got Xeno to oppose the electoral college once…

Debates might not always be effective, but I don’t know of many other ways to get someone to genuinely change their positions.

Online, very little. You can show them the repercussions of their positions, but that’s about it.
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Postby Ors Might » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:00 am

Kowani wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Debates might not always be effective, but I don’t know of many other ways to get someone to genuinely change their positions.

Online, very little. You can show them the repercussions of their positions, but that’s about it.

You could argue that showing them that could lead to debate or at the very least is unlikely to take place outside of debate.
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