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Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:I’m curious, among the trans people here, what are your thoughts on transmedicalism, that is, the belief that dysphoria is required to be trans?

It's debateable at best, though we have varying levels of dysphoria and different reactions to it. I'm not convinced that a non-dysphoric individual can be considered trans personally, it defeats the idea of "transness" imo.

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:I’m curious, among the trans people here, what are your thoughts on transmedicalism, that is, the belief that dysphoria is required to be trans?

I think if you have no gender dysphoria at all, then transition probably isn't the best option for you. That said, exactly how much gender dysphoria should warrant transition is a question I don't have the answer for. And I have no idea whether the feelings I'm experiencing are gender dysphoria, and if so, whether it's strong enough to warrant me transitioning.

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:I’m curious, among the trans people here, what are your thoughts on transmedicalism, that is, the belief that dysphoria is required to be trans?

I think dysphoria is technically necessary for being trans, but my definition of dysphoria is much broader* than the transmedicalists' definition. As a result, I usually end agreeing with the non-dysphoria camp for almost all practical matters, even if I don't agree with the underlying theory.

*If you say "I'm trans and I don't have dysphoria", my response will almost certainly be "what you're experiencing actually is dysphoria", not "you're not actually trans".

transgender people are weird but hey they can do whatever they want its called freedom but its still weird to me

Pangania wrote:transgender people are weird but hey they can do whatever they want its called freedom but its still weird to me

Thanks for your unwarranted post, completely divorced from the current discussion.

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:I’m curious, among the trans people here, what are your thoughts on transmedicalism, that is, the belief that dysphoria is required to be trans?

I think if you have no gender dysphoria at all, then transition probably isn't the best option for you. That said, exactly how much gender dysphoria should warrant transition is a question I don't have the answer for. And I have no idea whether the feelings I'm experiencing are gender dysphoria, and if so, whether it's strong enough to warrant me transitioning.

I know that feel fam.

Pangania wrote:transgender people are weird but hey they can do whatever they want its called freedom but its still weird to me

Shocker: Humans and life in general can be weird sometimes.

Nakena wrote:

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I think if you have no gender dysphoria at all, then transition probably isn't the best option for you. That said, exactly how much gender dysphoria should warrant transition is a question I don't have the answer for. And I have no idea whether the feelings I'm experiencing are gender dysphoria, and if so, whether it's strong enough to warrant me transitioning.

I know that feel fam.

Pangania wrote:transgender people are weird but hey they can do whatever they want its called freedom but its still weird to me

Shocker: Humans and life in general can be weird sometimes.

I've have enough time to gather that, yeah I'm dysphoric, but I'm not too sure about transitioning for a host of reasons. I don't hate the body I was born with, nothing wrong with it, other than I would overwhelmingly prefer to have a female form, and I do get depressed about it if I think about it too much (which is hard not to do sometimes). The struggle is real for a bitch.

Magocratic Aidonaia wrote:

Grenartia wrote:dysphoria is so fucking hard to explain.

It is? I just suffer a little from not looking or being more like a woman, since part of me feels and prefers to express that way.

I mean, imagine trying to explain a rainbow to a person who has been blind all of their life, in such a way that they truly understand what its like to see one.

Cappuccina wrote:

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:I’m curious, among the trans people here, what are your thoughts on transmedicalism, that is, the belief that dysphoria is required to be trans?

It's debateable at best, though we have varying levels of dysphoria and different reactions to it. I'm not convinced that a non-dysphoric individual can be considered trans personally, it defeats the idea of "transness" imo.

Not at all.

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:I’m curious, among the trans people here, what are your thoughts on transmedicalism, that is, the belief that dysphoria is required to be trans?

I think if you have no gender dysphoria at all, then transition probably isn't the best option for you. That said, exactly how much gender dysphoria should warrant transition is a question I don't have the answer for. And I have no idea whether the feelings I'm experiencing are gender dysphoria, and if so, whether it's strong enough to warrant me transitioning.

Well, if you think it might be gender dysphoria, it probably is.

Also, I think people who don't have dysphoria should be allowed to transition if they want. Gender euphoria is a thing people should be allowed to experience without suffering from dysphoria first.

Cappuccina wrote:

Nakena wrote:
I know that feel fam.



Shocker: Humans and life in general can be weird sometimes.

I've have enough time to gather that, yeah I'm dysphoric, but I'm not too sure about transitioning for a host of reasons. I don't hate the body I was born with, nothing wrong with it, other than I would overwhelmingly prefer to have a female form, and I do get depressed about it if I think about it too much (which is hard not to do sometimes). The struggle is real for a bitch.

If you're ok talking about it, why are the reasons?

Cappuccina wrote:I've have enough time to gather that, yeah I'm dysphoric, but I'm not too sure about transitioning for a host of reasons. I don't hate the body I was born with, nothing wrong with it, other than I would overwhelmingly prefer to have a female form, and I do get depressed about it if I think about it too much (which is hard not to do sometimes). The struggle is real for a bitch.

Theres indeed a number of issues regarding transitioning, that is IMO mostly the current stage of medical technology in general, which I consider to be insufficient yet for myself, despite advancements being made continually. I think if its done in young age, it is working out better in the end. A good friend of mine has recently begun HRT and ever since she has been experiencing more depression and mental instability.

I must say in that context that I find the thought of male genital removal however to be revolting and I believe people should not do it unless they're 110% sure about it. It might be not an popular opinion but thats what I think.

Cock is simply the best.

Nakena wrote:

Cappuccina wrote:I've have enough time to gather that, yeah I'm dysphoric, but I'm not too sure about transitioning for a host of reasons. I don't hate the body I was born with, nothing wrong with it, other than I would overwhelmingly prefer to have a female form, and I do get depressed about it if I think about it too much (which is hard not to do sometimes). The struggle is real for a bitch.

Theres indeed a number of issues regarding transitioning, that is IMO mostly the current stage of medical technology in general, which I consider to be insufficient yet for myself, despite advancements being made continually. I think if its done in young age, it is working out better in the end. A good friend of mine has recently begun HRT and ever since she has been experiencing more depression and mental instability.

I mean, to be entirely fair, that's because its essentially a second puberty.

I must say in that context that I find the thought of male genital removal however to be revolting and I believe people should not do it unless they're 110% sure about it. It might be not an popular opinion but thats what I think.

Cock is simply the best.

I mean, you can be valid as a trans person and still not have SRS. There's also SRS options which include keeping the penis (and in a state functional for sexual activity, if that's important to you).

Grenartia wrote:

Magocratic Aidonaia wrote:It is? I just suffer a little from not looking or being more like a woman, since part of me feels and prefers to express that way.

I mean, imagine trying to explain a rainbow to a person who has been blind all of their life, in such a way that they truly understand what its like to see one.

Cappuccina wrote:It's debateable at best, though we have varying levels of dysphoria and different reactions to it. I'm not convinced that a non-dysphoric individual can be considered trans personally, it defeats the idea of "transness" imo.

Not at all.

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I think if you have no gender dysphoria at all, then transition probably isn't the best option for you. That said, exactly how much gender dysphoria should warrant transition is a question I don't have the answer for. And I have no idea whether the feelings I'm experiencing are gender dysphoria, and if so, whether it's strong enough to warrant me transitioning.

Well, if you think it might be gender dysphoria, it probably is.

Also, I think people who don't have dysphoria should be allowed to transition if they want. Gender euphoria is a thing people should be allowed to experience without suffering from dysphoria first.

Cappuccina wrote:I've have enough time to gather that, yeah I'm dysphoric, but I'm not too sure about transitioning for a host of reasons. I don't hate the body I was born with, nothing wrong with it, other than I would overwhelmingly prefer to have a female form, and I do get depressed about it if I think about it too much (which is hard not to do sometimes). The struggle is real for a bitch.

If you're ok talking about it, why are the reasons?

Oh boy.....let me see.

The biggest is the uncertainty of my family's reaction, not so much my immediate family but my extended family. My family is generally pretty traditional as far as gender and sexuality goes, I run a good chance of being ostracized and/or ridiculed from the majority of my family members if I even come out as trans, that's an unbearable thought for for a deeply family oriented person like myself.

Second is the reaction of my friends, many who are rather conservative, would probably boot me. That fear is hella real since difference in viewpoints have lost me more than a few good friends in the last year or so, and this would be that 10-fold. As it currently stands, the only person IRL who knows I'm trans is my best friend, who's very supportive, thank God (swt).

Another thing is simply my deathly fear of medical procedures in general, I'm extremely risk averse and the idea of surgeries and people digging and poking around under my skin scares the hell out of me.

Nakena wrote:

Cappuccina wrote:I've have enough time to gather that, yeah I'm dysphoric, but I'm not too sure about transitioning for a host of reasons. I don't hate the body I was born with, nothing wrong with it, other than I would overwhelmingly prefer to have a female form, and I do get depressed about it if I think about it too much (which is hard not to do sometimes). The struggle is real for a bitch.

Theres indeed a number of issues regarding transitioning, that is IMO mostly the current stage of medical technology in general, which I consider to be insufficient yet for myself, despite advancements being made continually. I think if its done in young age, it is working out better in the end. A good friend of mine has recently begun HRT and ever since she has been experiencing more depression and mental instability.

I must say in that context that I find the thought of male genital removal however to be revolting and I believe people should not do it unless they're 110% sure about it. It might be not an popular opinion but thats what I think.

Cock is simply the best.

Nope, nope.... I couldn't give to shits about the chorizo. If I ever actually get around to SRS I'm going all the way, Bobbitt the fucker.

Grenartia wrote:Well, if you think it might be gender dysphoria, it probably is.

Also, I think people who don't have dysphoria should be allowed to transition if they want. Gender euphoria is a thing people should be allowed to experience without suffering from dysphoria first.

Maybe you're right, and it is dysphoria. I really hate the way I look, I feel like I look like an ugly creep. And I can't look undress in the mirror without cringing. I hate all the hair on my body and its stocky shape, even though I'm average weight. I'm also generally depressed and dissociative right now, though I'm not sure that's a result of gender dysphoria.

I understand you can transition without having gender dysphoria, but I don't think it would be the best option for me.

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Maybe you're right, and it is dysphoria. I really hate the way I look, I feel like I look like an ugly creep. And I can't look undress in the mirror without cringing. I hate all the hair on my body and its stocky shape, even though I'm average weight. I'm also generally depressed and dissociative right now, though I'm not sure that's a result of gender dysphoria.

I understand you can transition without having gender dysphoria, but I don't think it would be the best option for me.

That sounds kinda like dysphoria to me.

Nakena wrote:

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Maybe you're right, and it is dysphoria. I really hate the way I look, I feel like I look like an ugly creep. And I can't look undress in the mirror without cringing. I hate all the hair on my body and its stocky shape, even though I'm average weight. I'm also generally depressed and dissociative right now, though I'm not sure that's a result of gender dysphoria.

I understand you can transition without having gender dysphoria, but I don't think it would be the best option for me.

That sounds kinda like dysphoria to me.

Indeed.

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:

Grenartia wrote:Well, if you think it might be gender dysphoria, it probably is.

Also, I think people who don't have dysphoria should be allowed to transition if they want. Gender euphoria is a thing people should be allowed to experience without suffering from dysphoria first.

Maybe you're right, and it is dysphoria. I really hate the way I look, I feel like I look like an ugly creep. And I can't look undress in the mirror without cringing. I hate all the hair on my body and its stocky shape, even though I'm average weight. I'm also generally depressed and dissociative right now, though I'm not sure that's a result of gender dysphoria.

I understand you can transition without having gender dysphoria, but I don't think it would be the best option for me.

I'm not a doctor, but yeah, at least from my experience you seem to be dysphoric.

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:

Grenartia wrote:Well, if you think it might be gender dysphoria, it probably is.

Also, I think people who don't have dysphoria should be allowed to transition if they want. Gender euphoria is a thing people should be allowed to experience without suffering from dysphoria first.

Maybe you're right, and it is dysphoria. I really hate the way I look, I feel like I look like an ugly creep. And I can't look undress in the mirror without cringing. I hate all the hair on my body and its stocky shape, even though I'm average weight. I'm also generally depressed and dissociative right now, though I'm not sure that's a result of gender dysphoria.

I understand you can transition without having gender dysphoria, but I don't think it would be the best option for me.

That's broadly similar to my experience of it, so I'm going to say that yes it is.

Cappuccina wrote:

Grenartia wrote:
I mean, imagine trying to explain a rainbow to a person who has been blind all of their life, in such a way that they truly understand what its like to see one.



Not at all.



Well, if you think it might be gender dysphoria, it probably is.

Also, I think people who don't have dysphoria should be allowed to transition if they want. Gender euphoria is a thing people should be allowed to experience without suffering from dysphoria first.



If you're ok talking about it, why are the reasons?

Oh boy.....let me see.

The biggest is the uncertainty of my family's reaction, not so much my immediate family but my extended family. My family is generally pretty traditional as far as gender and sexuality goes, I run a good chance of being ostracized and/or ridiculed from the majority of my family members if I even come out as trans, that's an unbearable thought for for a deeply family oriented person like myself.

That's fair. But you shouldn't sacrifice your happiness to appease people who don't give a shit about your happiness anyways.

Second is the reaction of my friends, many who are rather conservative, would probably boot me. That fear is hella real since difference in viewpoints have lost me more than a few good friends in the last year or so, and this would be that 10-fold. As it currently stands, the only person IRL who knows I'm trans is my best friend, who's very supportive, thank God (swt).

Big oof.

Another thing is simply my deathly fear of medical procedures in general, I'm extremely risk averse and the idea of surgeries and people digging and poking around under my skin scares the hell out of me.

I mean, so am I. There's only one surgery I'm even willing to consider. Everything else is up to the titty skittles.

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:

Grenartia wrote:Well, if you think it might be gender dysphoria, it probably is.

Also, I think people who don't have dysphoria should be allowed to transition if they want. Gender euphoria is a thing people should be allowed to experience without suffering from dysphoria first.

Maybe you're right, and it is dysphoria. I really hate the way I look, I feel like I look like an ugly creep. And I can't look undress in the mirror without cringing. I hate all the hair on my body and its stocky shape, even though I'm average weight. I'm also generally depressed and dissociative right now, though I'm not sure that's a result of gender dysphoria.

I understand you can transition without having gender dysphoria, but I don't think it would be the best option for me.

Honestly, it sounds like dysphoria to me.

Grenartia wrote:Honestly, it sounds like dysphoria to me.

Vassenor wrote:That's broadly similar to my experience of it, so I'm going to say that yes it is.

Cappuccina wrote:I'm not a doctor, but yeah, at least from my experience you seem to be dysphoric.

Nakena wrote:That sounds kinda like dysphoria to me.

Thanks guys. That somewhat helps quell my uncertainty. I'm seeing a psychologist on Thursday about it, and I don't know whether they'll agree, and I'm really nervous.

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:

Grenartia wrote:Honestly, it sounds like dysphoria to me.

Vassenor wrote:That's broadly similar to my experience of it, so I'm going to say that yes it is.

Cappuccina wrote:I'm not a doctor, but yeah, at least from my experience you seem to be dysphoric.

Nakena wrote:That sounds kinda like dysphoria to me.

Thanks guys. That somewhat helps quell my uncertainty. I'm seeing a psychologist on Thursday about it, and I don't know whether they'll agree, and I'm really nervous.

Well, ultimately, a psychologist can't tell you whether or not you're trans. No matter what the gatekeepers and their lobby says.

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:I’m curious, among the trans people here, what are your thoughts on transmedicalism, that is, the belief that dysphoria is required to be trans?

You 100% need dysphoria. No dysphoria, no trans. If you're not dysphoric, there's no reason to be trans other than "uwu snowflake" and oppression points. If you transition without gender dysphoria, you are committing a life destroying form of self-harm.

Saciu wrote:

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:I’m curious, among the trans people here, what are your thoughts on transmedicalism, that is, the belief that dysphoria is required to be trans?

You 100% need dysphoria. No dysphoria, no trans. If you're not dysphoric, there's no reason to be trans other than "uwu snowflake" and oppression points. If you transition without gender dysphoria, you are committing a life destroying form of self-harm.

Amazing. Every word of what you just said... Was wrong.

Vassenor wrote:

Saciu wrote:You 100% need dysphoria. No dysphoria, no trans. If you're not dysphoric, there's no reason to be trans other than "uwu snowflake" and oppression points. If you transition without gender dysphoria, you are committing a life destroying form of self-harm.

Amazing. Every word of what you just said... Was wrong.

The word "to" is wrong? How about the words "life" and "points"?

Saciu wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
Amazing. Every word of what you just said... Was wrong.

The word "to" is wrong? How about the words "life" and "points"?

Yes, actually, because no one would be destroying their life and "oppression points" aren't a thing.

Saciu wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
Amazing. Every word of what you just said... Was wrong.

The word "to" is wrong? How about the words "life" and "points"?

>Being overly literal to avoid having to address the fact you just vomited a load of terfism onto the thread

Vassenor wrote:

Saciu wrote:The word "to" is wrong? How about the words "life" and "points"?

>Being overly literal to avoid having to address the fact you just vomited a load of terfism onto the thread

1) It's a joke.
2) How is this TERFism. Transmeds tend to hate TERFs much more than they dislike tucutes. Did you mean truscum ideology? I'm very happy to address that.