So what's plan B if defunding cops creates anarchy?

[Slavakino]

I'd like to see non-militarised police stop a heavily armed bank robbery or terrorist attack

Doesn't happen often enough to justify militarising the whole of the Police force, that's what SWAT or it's regional equivalent is for.

In emergencies where the SWAT can't arrive the police should be able to take arms and try to stop that situation. It's not that militarised for the police to have Kevlar, Helmets and a Rifle or Shotgun onboard in case of these situations

[The Alma Mater]

Everything you said beyond that point is useless. A militarised police force is not needed unless your in a war zone, and in that case you'd use a military.

I'd like to see non-militarised police stop a heavily armed bank robbery or terrorist attack

And how will all those guns help with the other 99,99 percent of the tasks cop currently have ?

[Heloin]

Doesn't happen often enough to justify militarising the whole of the Police force, that's what SWAT or it's regional equivalent is for.

In emergencies where the SWAT can't arrive the police should be able to take arms and try to stop that situation. It's not that militarised for the police to have Kevlar, Helmets and a Rifle or Shotgun onboard in case of these situations

In emergencies where emergency services can't show up. That's so out of the park that it's incredible.

[The Alma Mater]

Doesn't happen often enough to justify militarising the whole of the Police force, that's what SWAT or it's regional equivalent is for.

In emergencies where the SWAT can't arrive the police should be able to take arms and try to stop that situation. It's not that militarised for the police to have Kevlar, Helmets and a Rifle or Shotgun onboard in case of these situations

Cops currently have heavy machineguns, armoured vehicles and grenade launchers. So you agree they can tone that down a little ?

[Slavakino]

In emergencies where the SWAT can't arrive the police should be able to take arms and try to stop that situation. It's not that militarised for the police to have Kevlar, Helmets and a Rifle or Shotgun onboard in case of these situations

Cops currently have heavy machineguns, armoured vehicles and grenade launchers. So you agree they can tone that down a little ?

Machine guns sure. But for grenade launchers, I'm sure they aren't used for grenades, rather more for tear gas, signalling, smoke or flashes, if they are used for grenades a bit far. Armoured vehicles are only needed in emergencies in case you know some maniac is armed with something that can penetrate hard

[Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio]

I'd like to see non-militarised police stop a heavily armed bank robbery or terrorist attack

And how will all those guns help with the other 99,99 percent of the tasks cop currently have ?

It will inevitably lead some lethal shootings of people who are unarmed, and some lethal shootings of people armed with rarely lethal weapons, and some lethal shootings of people armed with non-functioning, yet regularly lethal weapons. Bad for PR and morality/ethics, but good for a lower increase in overcrowded prison populations.
I do not understand people with guns, much less tons of them. My dad has dozens.

[The Alma Mater]

Cops currently have heavy machineguns, armoured vehicles and grenade launchers. So you agree they can tone that down a little ?

Machine guns sure. But for grenade launchers, I'm sure they aren't used for grenades, rather more for tear gas, signalling, smoke or flashes, if they are used for grenades a bit far. Armoured vehicles are only needed in emergencies in case you know some maniac is armed with something that can penetrate hard

So how do all these shiny toys help with the overwhelming majority of police tasks, which is social work and not catching baddies?

[Slavakino]

Machine guns sure. But for grenade launchers, I'm sure they aren't used for grenades, rather more for tear gas, signalling, smoke or flashes, if they are used for grenades a bit far. Armoured vehicles are only needed in emergencies in case you know some maniac is armed with something that can penetrate hard

So how do all these shiny toys help with the overwhelming majority of police tasks, which is social work and not catching baddies?

Again, see what I suggested. For regular police duties a Pistol and Kevlar should be enough. I'm a little on the fence about regular use of shotguns but probably due to it always being a thing for the police. I mean in Australia the police are regularly armed with Rifles here

[The Alma Mater]

So how do all these shiny toys help with the overwhelming majority of police tasks, which is social work and not catching baddies?

Again, see what I suggested. For regular police duties a Pistol and Kevlar should be enough. I'm a little on the fence about regular use of shotguns but probably due to it always being a thing for the police. I mean in Australia the police are regularly armed with Rifles here

So you genuinely believe cops are superhumans who can deal with everything - from the mentally ill and the lonely to the master criminals ?

[Slavakino]

Again, see what I suggested. For regular police duties a Pistol and Kevlar should be enough. I'm a little on the fence about regular use of shotguns but probably due to it always being a thing for the police. I mean in Australia the police are regularly armed with Rifles here

So you genuinely believe cops are superhumans who can deal with everything - from the mentally ill and the lonely to the master criminals ?

No, a cop has to be armed. No matter what. I never said cops are superhumans mate, don't pull shit out your arse

[Nobel Hobos 2]

I mean in Australia the police are regularly armed with Rifles here

What do you mean "regularly" and what do you mean "armed"?

Cos what you said implies they carry rifles on them whenever they're on duty, which does not seem to be true.

[Slavakino]

I mean in Australia the police are regularly armed with Rifles here

What do you mean "regularly" and what do you mean "armed"?

Cos what you said implies they carry rifles on them whenever they're on duty, which does not seem to be true.

May have misworded it, sorry but depending on the situation police can be seen with semi-auto rifles. Usually just standing about, there might have been a case of the police pulling out rifles on someone who had a gel blaster with them

[The Alma Mater]

So you genuinely believe cops are superhumans who can deal with everything - from the mentally ill and the lonely to the master criminals ?

No, a cop has to be armed. No matter what. I never said cops are superhumans mate, don't pull shit out your arse

I have repeatedly pointed out to you that the problem is that cops are expected to be masters of a hundred trades, most of them related to social work and not to catching criminals where weapons are needed. The whole idea behind defunding is to take all those tasks away from the police and give them to more qualified people, so that cops get a job that does not require multiple university degrees to do properly.

You keep responding that more guns will solve that problem. So you must believe cops are superhumans eho in fact can be masters of a hundred trades.

[Slavakino]

No, a cop has to be armed. No matter what. I never said cops are superhumans mate, don't pull shit out your arse

I have repeatedly pointed out to you that the problem is that cops are expected to be masters of a hundred trades, most of them related to social work and not to catching criminals where weapons are needed. The whole idea behind defunding is to take all those tasks away from the police and give them to more qualified people, so that cops get a job that does not require multiple college degrees to do properly.

You keep responding that more guns will solve that problem. So you must believe cops are superhumans eho in fact can be masters of a hundred trades.

Cops are supposed to be out to help with almost any situation. Firearms can be used in various situations, although they should be used when someone is out with a lethal weapon. But cops are supposed to help out with these various different situations, hell the funding is high enough they can be trained for these situations. But of course the US can't spend its money wisely

[Purpelia]

Everything you said beyond that point is useless. A militarised police force is not needed unless your in a war zone, and in that case you'd use a military.

I'd like to see non-militarised police stop a heavily armed bank robbery or terrorist attack

I'd like to know why your society has heavily armed bank robbers and terrorist attacks on a regular enough basis for this to be a serious consideration.

[Slavakino]

I'd like to see non-militarised police stop a heavily armed bank robbery or terrorist attack

I'd like to know why your society has heavily armed bank robbers and terrorist attacks on a regular enough basis for this to be a serious consideration.

You never know when that can strike

[Purpelia]

I'd like to know why your society has heavily armed bank robbers and terrorist attacks on a regular enough basis for this to be a serious consideration.

You never know when that can strike

You also newer know when a meteor can hit you square on the head but reason dictates that unless there is a significant enough probability of something like that happening you don't build anti meteor missile silos in every back yard.
So again, why is there a significant enough probability of violent heavily armed crime in your nation that you need to arm your regular police?


And yes, if you google it there are in fact instances of people being killed or having their property damaged by space meteors from time to time. The things burn up to become really small or otherwise break apart into small bits when they get into our atmosphere and than fall to hit people and things for lots of damage. It's just too rare to care about.

[Slavakino]

You never know when that can strike

You also newer know when a meteor can hit you square on the head but reason dictates that unless there is a significant enough probability of something like that happening you don't build anti meteor missile silos in every back yard.
So again, why is there a significant enough probability of violent heavily armed crime in your nation that you need to arm your regular police?


And yes, if you google it there are in fact instances of people being killed or having their property damaged by space meteors from time to time. The things burn up to become really small or otherwise break apart into small bits when they get into our atmosphere and than fall to hit people and things for lots of damage. It's just too rare to care about.

Not in my nation. I'm referring to the USA

[Purpelia]

Not in my nation. I'm referring to the USA

I was using "your nation" rhetorically.

[Picairn]

There is no such thing as "coerced" solidarity.

Right, that's called "tyranny", and also a reason why Communism and Socialism have failed on a national scale.

I said "many communist movements", not "all communist movements". The USSR's collapse was largely of its own devicing.

Ok, so the supposed "superiority" of communism over capitalism turned out to be a folly.

[Thepeopl]

So you genuinely believe cops are superhumans who can deal with everything - from the mentally ill and the lonely to the master criminals ?

No, a cop has to be armed. No matter what. I never said cops are superhumans mate, don't pull shit out your arse

https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public ... D09818BBD8

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn ... nd-killed/

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/fire ... gun-use-2/

And your solution is more guns? Yay! Finally we'll address overpopulation.

The police in the Netherlands has different divisions. Cybercrime is dealt with by "cyberpolice", disturbances in the neighbourhood is dealt with by "neighbourhood cops". Yes the ME (militarily unit, mp) has armored cars and an impressive array of weapons. But they only spring into action when needed, not when a junkie is trying to burglarize a car (and fail because of the cold/ the level of imbribiation).
The neighbourhood police is known by name and face in the neighbourhood where they are on duty, which helps with deescalating aggression.

[Kowani]

Doesn't happen often enough to justify militarising the whole of the Police force, that's what SWAT or it's regional equivalent is for.

In emergencies where the SWAT can't arrive the police should be able to take arms and try to stop that situation. It's not that militarised for the police to have Kevlar, Helmets and a Rifle or Shotgun onboard in case of these situations

This is a bad idea.

[Cannot think of a name]

I have repeatedly pointed out to you that the problem is that cops are expected to be masters of a hundred trades, most of them related to social work and not to catching criminals where weapons are needed. The whole idea behind defunding is to take all those tasks away from the police and give them to more qualified people, so that cops get a job that does not require multiple college degrees to do properly.

You keep responding that more guns will solve that problem. So you must believe cops are superhumans eho in fact can be masters of a hundred trades.

Cops are supposed to be out to help with almost any situation.

This is the core of the problem.

[The Alma Mater]

I have repeatedly pointed out to you that the problem is that cops are expected to be masters of a hundred trades, most of them related to social work and not to catching criminals where weapons are needed. The whole idea behind defunding is to take all those tasks away from the police and give them to more qualified people, so that cops get a job that does not require multiple college degrees to do properly.

You keep responding that more guns will solve that problem. So you must believe cops are superhumans eho in fact can be masters of a hundred trades.

Cops are supposed to be out to help with almost any situation. Firearms can be used in various situations, although they should be used when someone is out with a lethal weapon. But cops are supposed to help out with these various different situations, hell the funding is high enough they can be trained for these situations. But of course the US can't spend its money wisely

More funding does not magically make people able to do a thousand different things. There is a limit to what a normal person can learn.

From cops we currently expect the learning capacity of a supreme genius.

[Ifreann]

But with the cops disarmed and disempowered from their current positions, there should be fewer murders, and you can deal with any other murders in some way that doesn't involve cops. It'll be great.

It seems like you think the vast majority of murders come from cops. Maybe in the nation of Ifreann, but not in RL!

I just said "fewer".