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Postby Saiwania » Mon Mar 02, 2020 5:53 pm

Des-Bal wrote:Absolutely nothing you said addresses the fact that Donald Trump is a pussy. Most of it is just pointing out that he's ineffectual and that other people ignore and countermand him safe in the knowledge he won't do anything about it which is the exact thing I'm referring to when I say Donald Trump is a pussy.


It is better for Trump to be perceived as "soft" on certain matters, than to be an irrational actor- or at least far more so than he already is rumored to be.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon Mar 02, 2020 6:14 pm

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Des-Bal wrote:How do Trump supporters address the fact hes a pussy? North Korea put him on the pay no mind list, he swallowed the Saudi's line on khashoggi, he backed down on the wall, he called a missile attack that wounded over 100 american soldiers a de-escalation and his brilliant negotiations with the Taliban are already being ignored because he has proven time and time again that when pressed he is completely balless.


1. There is nothing wrong with North Korea, especially if we can convince them to behave with their nukes. If they want to stay in power, they probably should given that the alternative is worse. It is primarily Russia and China's fault that the DPRK remains in place. These countries should have more influence in dealings with North Korea.

2. Most conservatives and Trumpists aren't going to care about some Washington Post reporter. Khashoggi did interfere with the Saudi King too much to where he was targeted by Saudi Arabia's ruling regime. If he apologized and discontinued what he was doing, the King might've forgiven him.

3. Democrats and Liberals interfered with the wall to where it was no longer worth it. I'm more in favor of a militarized fence like Auschwitz or East Germany had.

4. Taking the retaliation from Iran was better than going to war with them. Iran can't hurt the US at home, but can in the middle east. Enduring the barrage of missiles was worth taking away one of Iran's best generals. I'd say its a fair trade.

5. The Taliban continuing to exist is partially the fault of Pakistan, which gives them safe haven in its tribal region. We're not going to invade Pakistan as well nor should we, just to get the Taliban's HQ and leadership. Besides, Pakistan has nukes. If certain Afghans keep being receptive to the Taliban and their policies, that is on them. The Taliban has to keep being apart of Afghan politics if that is inevitable. But its another question as to whether the Taliban will govern over Afghanistan fully again via the ballot or via force of arms in the not so distant future.


1. Everything is wrong with North korea. They execute people there for wrongthink

2. Are you justifying the murder of a journalist? How did he interfere, by reporting on how big of an asshole the crown Prince is?/

3. D-did you just say Auschwitz? Dude really you're going all out for the offensive points at this point. And we don't need a big dumb wall. It's a waste of money and we need real ideas.

4.yeah I can't disagree here

5. We really fucked up in Afghanistan.
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Postby Des-Bal » Mon Mar 02, 2020 6:34 pm

Saiwania wrote:It is better for Trump to be perceived as "soft" on certain matters, than to be an irrational actor- or at least far more so than he already is rumored to be.


The issue isn't that he's soft on certain matters it is, I repeat, that he is a pussy. He doesn't keep his promises or hold others to theirs and his response to provocation is to roll over. He's a total fucking maniac but that only seems to extend to ludicrous efforts to maintain power and save face which he never puts to good use, because he is once more: a pussy. Republicans have in a shortsighted show of support have thrown in with this entire affair rather than demanding their guy do the things he said he could and would do. As a result the entire republican party is on board. Nothing positive comes from this, the republican party has sacrificed prestige in exchange for nothing except the chance to make Donald Trump happy.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon Mar 02, 2020 6:37 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Saiwania wrote:It is better for Trump to be perceived as "soft" on certain matters, than to be an irrational actor- or at least far more so than he already is rumored to be.


The issue isn't that he's soft on certain matters it is, I repeat, that he is a pussy. He doesn't keep his promises or hold others to theirs and his response to provocation is to roll over. He's a total fucking maniac but that only seems to extend to ludicrous efforts to maintain power and save face which he never puts to good use, because he is once more: a pussy. Republicans have in a shortsighted show of support have thrown in with this entire affair rather than demanding their guy do the things he said he could and would do. As a result the entire republican party is on board. Nothing positive comes from this, the republican party has sacrificed prestige in exchange for nothing except the chance to make Donald Trump happy.


They did it to own the libs

In the process of getting revenge, they dug two graves.
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Postby North German Realm » Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:26 pm

Gormwood wrote:Afghan conflict: Taliban to resume attacking local forces after deal with US

What a fucking surprise. Looks like another brilliant Trump Deal.

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Postby Unstoppable Empire of Doom » Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:13 am

Gormwood wrote:Afghan conflict: Taliban to resume attacking local forces after deal with US

What a fucking surprise. Looks like another brilliant Trump Deal.


Trump deals so far:

Ended military drills in South Korea. No concessions made by Kim Jong Un.

Ended military support to Kurdish allies to let Turkey kill them. No concessions made by Erdogan.

Retreat from Afghanistan. No concessions made by the Taliban.

He really is the great negotiator he promised to be....
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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:26 am

Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Afghan conflict: Taliban to resume attacking local forces after deal with US

What a fucking surprise. Looks like another brilliant Trump Deal.


Trump deals so far:

Ended military drills in South Korea. No concessions made by Kim Jong Un.

Ended military support to Kurdish allies to let Turkey kill them. No concessions made by Erdogan.

Retreat from Afghanistan. No concessions made by the Taliban.

He really is the great negotiator he promised to be....
American government making a deal with terrorists just like ypg and all other terrorist groups . we were not surprised
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Postby North German Realm » Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:28 am

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:American government making a deal with terrorists just like ypg and all other terrorist groups . we were not surprised

The only country that openly supports terrorists in Syria is Turkey though. The YPG is many things, but terrorist is not one of them.

Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Afghan conflict: Taliban to resume attacking local forces after deal with US

What a fucking surprise. Looks like another brilliant Trump Deal.


Trump deals so far:

Ended military drills in South Korea. No concessions made by Kim Jong Un.

Ended military support to Kurdish allies to let Turkey kill them. No concessions made by Erdogan.

Retreat from Afghanistan. No concessions made by the Taliban.

He really is the great negotiator he promised to be....

To be fair, this god-tier skill in "negotiation" is just the telltale signs of isolationism, which is why he was voted into office. He's not doing anything he didn't promise he wouldn't, many just didn't think it would include, you know, pulling out of military conflicts where some organization or the other is dependent on the US for its very survival against a genocidal and/or fanatic enemy.
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Postby Mirial Magna » Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:29 am

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:
Trump deals so far:

Ended military drills in South Korea. No concessions made by Kim Jong Un.

Ended military support to Kurdish allies to let Turkey kill them. No concessions made by Erdogan.

Retreat from Afghanistan. No concessions made by the Taliban.

He really is the great negotiator he promised to be....
American government making a deal with terrorists just like ypg and all other terrorist groups . we were not surprised

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Postby Rojava Free State » Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:34 am

Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Afghan conflict: Taliban to resume attacking local forces after deal with US

What a fucking surprise. Looks like another brilliant Trump Deal.


Trump deals so far:

Ended military drills in South Korea. No concessions made by Kim Jong Un.

Ended military support to Kurdish allies to let Turkey kill them. No concessions made by Erdogan.

Retreat from Afghanistan. No concessions made by the Taliban.

He really is the great negotiator he promised to be....


Erdogan let trump keep some of the Syrian oil fields, and kim praised trump. I guess this is what trump calls deals
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Postby Rojava Free State » Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:35 am

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:
Trump deals so far:

Ended military drills in South Korea. No concessions made by Kim Jong Un.

Ended military support to Kurdish allies to let Turkey kill them. No concessions made by Erdogan.

Retreat from Afghanistan. No concessions made by the Taliban.

He really is the great negotiator he promised to be....
American government making a deal with terrorists just like ypg and all other terrorist groups . we were not surprised
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Meanwhile your government aided ISIS, but I notice you're quiet on that front
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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:41 am

North German Realm wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:American government making a deal with terrorists just like ypg and all other terrorist groups . we were not surprised

The only country that openly supports terrorists in Syria is Turkey though. The YPG is many things, but terrorist is not one of them.
Ypg and the free Syrian army are terrorists.the only country that explicitly supports terrorism is the US government. Governments come and go, but American imperialism always remains

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Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:American government making a deal with terrorists just like ypg and all other terrorist groups . we were not surprised


Meanwhile your government aided ISIS, but I notice you're quiet on that front
I wouldn't really be surprised, not a man who loves his country because but this does not change the fact that the US has agreed with terrorists.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:06 am

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
North German Realm wrote:The only country that openly supports terrorists in Syria is Turkey though. The YPG is many things, but terrorist is not one of them.
Ypg and the free Syrian army are terrorists.the only country that explicitly supports terrorism is the US government. Governments come and go, but American imperialism always remains



...and Israel, and Turkey, and Russia, and Iran, and Saudi Arabia and Britain. Dude seriously America is not the only country on earth that supports terrorists. Who do you think are the guys that are helping Turkey ethnic cleanse, I mean genocide, er secure northern Syria? Half of them are jihadists. America has done a lot of harm to the middle east but that doesn't mean Turkey hasn't too.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby North German Realm » Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:15 am

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
North German Realm wrote:The only country that openly supports terrorists in Syria is Turkey though. The YPG is many things, but terrorist is not one of them.
Ypg and the free Syrian army are terrorists.the only country that explicitly supports terrorism is the US government. Governments come and go, but American imperialism always remains

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Meanwhile your government aided ISIS, but I notice you're quiet on that front
I wouldn't really be surprised, not a man who loves his country because but this does not change the fact that the US has agreed with terrorists.

Neither YPG nor the FSA are terrorists. The Turkish Free Syrian Army and the countless droves of terrorist groups that Turkey uses in its occupation of Eastern Kurdistan however, are terrorists, as is the State of Turkey.

Rojava Free State wrote:...and Israel, and Turkey, and Russia, and Iran, and Saudi Arabia and Britain. Dude seriously America is not the only country on earth that supports terrorists. Who do you think are the guys that are helping Turkey ethnic cleanse, I mean genocide, er secure northern Syria? Half of them are jihadists. America has done a lot of harm to the middle east but that doesn't mean Turkey hasn't too.

Iran and Russia support an illegitimate terrorist state, but not terrorist organizations (well, not officially anyway). The US and Israel don't openly support any terrorist organizations. Turkey however supports a terrorist organization and uses it in its illegal occupation in Syria.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:20 am

North German Realm wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Ypg and the free Syrian army are terrorists.the only country that explicitly supports terrorism is the US government. Governments come and go, but American imperialism always remains

I wouldn't really be surprised, not a man who loves his country because but this does not change the fact that the US has agreed with terrorists.

Neither YPG nor the FSA are terrorists. The Turkish Free Syrian Army and the countless droves of terrorist groups that Turkey uses in its occupation of Eastern Kurdistan however, are terrorists, as is the State of Turkey.

Rojava Free State wrote:...and Israel, and Turkey, and Russia, and Iran, and Saudi Arabia and Britain. Dude seriously America is not the only country on earth that supports terrorists. Who do you think are the guys that are helping Turkey ethnic cleanse, I mean genocide, er secure northern Syria? Half of them are jihadists. America has done a lot of harm to the middle east but that doesn't mean Turkey hasn't too.

Iran and Russia support an illegitimate terrorist state, but not terrorist organizations (well, not officially anyway). The US and Israel don't openly support any terrorist organizations. Turkey however supports a terrorist organization and uses it in its illegal occupation in Syria.


Yeah about America not supporting terrorists: https://www.theamericanconservative.com ... -in-syria/

Also Iran and Russia help hezbollah, which is a terrorist organization.
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Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Novus America » Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:20 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Ypg and the free Syrian army are terrorists.the only country that explicitly supports terrorism is the US government. Governments come and go, but American imperialism always remains



...and Israel, and Turkey, and Russia, and Iran, and Saudi Arabia and Britain. Dude seriously America is not the only country on earth that supports terrorists. Who do you think are the guys that are helping Turkey ethnic cleanse, I mean genocide, er secure northern Syria? Half of them are jihadists. America has done a lot of harm to the middle east but that doesn't mean Turkey hasn't too.


Besides it is a stretch to calm the YPG terrorists because they have some unsavory connections to groups like the PKK. If having unsavory connections makes one a terrorist then everyone is, and the word has no meaning. Sure the YPG are not some perfect heroes, they are a deeply flawed group with a lot of problems but they helped fight ISIS and are not the absolute what. In the Middle East that is the best you can ask for.

Because glassing the whole regional is evil and genocidal and we cannot just make it teleport to another planet, we have to deal with it. Dirty and disgusting yes. But you play the cards you have.

The whole Grey Wolves (actual terrorists themselves) propaganda “all Kurds are terrorism and must die” is not true, even if Erdogan has picked it up when he realized the Kurds would no longer support him politically.

It is especially funny to hear from Turkey who backs Al Nusra (or whatever name it uses now).
Sure we all have to side with bad groups (like Erdogan’s Turkey :lol:) but Turkey picks some of the worst of the worst. Sure that reflects badly on us too, because our “ally” (Turkey) is backing these groups.
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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:21 am

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Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Ypg and the free Syrian army are terrorists.the only country that explicitly supports terrorism is the US government. Governments come and go, but American imperialism always remains



...and Israel, and Turkey, and Russia, and Iran, and Saudi Arabia and Britain. Dude seriously America is not the only country on earth that supports terrorists. Who do you think are the guys that are helping Turkey ethnic cleanse, I mean genocide, er secure northern Syria? Half of them are jihadists. America has done a lot of harm to the middle east but that doesn't mean Turkey hasn't too.
I did not see the invading troops of other countries in Washington.Yes the akp also made mistakes and continues to do so ,peace process as an example
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Postby Novus America » Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:25 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
North German Realm wrote:Neither YPG nor the FSA are terrorists. The Turkish Free Syrian Army and the countless droves of terrorist groups that Turkey uses in its occupation of Eastern Kurdistan however, are terrorists, as is the State of Turkey.


Iran and Russia support an illegitimate terrorist state, but not terrorist organizations (well, not officially anyway). The US and Israel don't openly support any terrorist organizations. Turkey however supports a terrorist organization and uses it in its illegal occupation in Syria.


Yeah about America not supporting terrorists: https://www.theamericanconservative.com ... -in-syria/

Also Iran and Russia help hezbollah, which is a terrorist organization.


He said openly though. I mean we absolutely have backed some nasty groups, and groups associated with terrorists absolutely. Although we dropped most of those groups in question in that article. Because of those same issues.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:26 am

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:

...and Israel, and Turkey, and Russia, and Iran, and Saudi Arabia and Britain. Dude seriously America is not the only country on earth that supports terrorists. Who do you think are the guys that are helping Turkey ethnic cleanse, I mean genocide, er secure northern Syria? Half of them are jihadists. America has done a lot of harm to the middle east but that doesn't mean Turkey hasn't too.
I did not see the invading troops of other countries in Washington.Yes the akp also made mistakes and continues to do so ,peace process as an example


Mistakes? A mistake is when you trip and fall and skin your knee. A mistake is when you think you can finish your current installment of Dragonball Super in time and end up showing up late to work. Murdering people is never a mistake. It's intentional. Btw I don't see invading troops of other countries in Ankara either so what's your point?
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
North German Realm wrote:The only country that openly supports terrorists in Syria is Turkey though. The YPG is many things, but terrorist is not one of them.
Ypg and the free Syrian army are terrorists.the only country that explicitly supports terrorism is the US government. Governments come and go, but American imperialism always remains

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Meanwhile your government aided ISIS, but I notice you're quiet on that front
I wouldn't really be surprised, not a man who loves his country because but this does not change the fact that the US has agreed with terrorists.


Umm you do realize Turkey is openly backing the FSA (a mixture of groups, including some that are terrorists yes), right?

I mean absolutely the US has supported some nasty groups directly (or more often indirectly) but we are hardly unique or special in that regard.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:29 am

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Rojava Free State wrote:

...and Israel, and Turkey, and Russia, and Iran, and Saudi Arabia and Britain. Dude seriously America is not the only country on earth that supports terrorists. Who do you think are the guys that are helping Turkey ethnic cleanse, I mean genocide, er secure northern Syria? Half of them are jihadists. America has done a lot of harm to the middle east but that doesn't mean Turkey hasn't too.


Besides it is a stretch to calm the YPG terrorists because they have some unsavory connections to groups like the PKK. If having unsavory connections makes one a terrorist then everyone is, and the word has no meaning. Sure the YPG are not some perfect heroes, they are a deeply flawed group with a lot of problems but they helped fight ISIS and are not the absolute what. In the Middle East that is the best you can ask for.

Because glassing the whole regional is evil and genocidal and we cannot just make it teleport to another planet, we have to deal with it. Dirty and disgusting yes. But you play the cards you have.

The whole Grey Wolves (actual terrorists themselves) propaganda “all Kurds are terrorism and must die” is not true, even if Erdogan has picked it up when he realized the Kurds would no longer support him politically.

It is especially funny to hear from Turkey who backs Al Nusra (or whatever name it uses now).
Sure we all have to side with bad groups but Turkey picks some of the worst of the worst.


A lot of the people welcoming Turkey as a liberator are gonna realize real quick that they made a mistake. Syria would be better without Assad, but if it's Assad or turkey, it's better with Assad than with Turkey running the show. Knowing how Turkish history has gone, the ancestors of the current Arab fighters backing Turkey up would end up being genocide victims. Turkey's only goal seems to be "manipulate the situation in turkey's favor even if other people die as a result." It was the Armenians yesterday and the Kurds today. Tomorrow it could be the arabs, so they better watch out.
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Postby Novus America » Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:34 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Besides it is a stretch to calm the YPG terrorists because they have some unsavory connections to groups like the PKK. If having unsavory connections makes one a terrorist then everyone is, and the word has no meaning. Sure the YPG are not some perfect heroes, they are a deeply flawed group with a lot of problems but they helped fight ISIS and are not the absolute what. In the Middle East that is the best you can ask for.

Because glassing the whole regional is evil and genocidal and we cannot just make it teleport to another planet, we have to deal with it. Dirty and disgusting yes. But you play the cards you have.

The whole Grey Wolves (actual terrorists themselves) propaganda “all Kurds are terrorism and must die” is not true, even if Erdogan has picked it up when he realized the Kurds would no longer support him politically.

It is especially funny to hear from Turkey who backs Al Nusra (or whatever name it uses now).
Sure we all have to side with bad groups but Turkey picks some of the worst of the worst.


A lot of the people welcoming Turkey as a liberator are gonna realize real quick that they made a mistake. Syria would be better without Assad, but if it's Assad or turkey, it's better with Assad than with Turkey running the show. Knowing how Turkish history has gone, the ancestors of the current Arab fighters backing Turkey up would end up being genocide victims. Turkey's only goal seems to be "manipulate the situation in turkey's favor even if other people die as a result." It was the Armenians yesterday and the Kurds today. Tomorrow it could be the arabs, so they better watch out.


I mean Assad’s Iranian pals have been genociding Sunnis across Syria:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thegua ... -influence

So it is not really much a choice. Get slaughtered by Erdogan’s Sunni Jihadis or Iran’s Shia Jihadis.

There is no liberation here. Only oppression and death.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:36 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:I did not see the invading troops of other countries in Washington.Yes the akp also made mistakes and continues to do so ,peace process as an example


Mistakes? A mistake is when you trip and fall and skin your knee. A mistake is when you think you can finish your current installment of Dragonball Super in time and end up showing up late to work. Murdering people is never a mistake. It's intentional. Btw I don't see invading troops of other countries in Ankara either so what's your point?
The other countries you count are not occupying America, but America is occupying all countries
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Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Ypg and the free Syrian army are terrorists.the only country that explicitly supports terrorism is the US government. Governments come and go, but American imperialism always remains

I wouldn't really be surprised, not a man who loves his country because but this does not change the fact that the US has agreed with terrorists.

Neither YPG nor the FSA are terrorists. The Turkish Free Syrian Army and the countless droves of terrorist groups that Turkey uses in its occupation of Eastern Kurdistan however, are terrorists, as is the State of Turkey.
I am very curious where do you get the information to call a legal state a terrorist.I was just sad for you
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Postby Novus America » Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:43 am

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Mistakes? A mistake is when you trip and fall and skin your knee. A mistake is when you think you can finish your current installment of Dragonball Super in time and end up showing up late to work. Murdering people is never a mistake. It's intentional. Btw I don't see invading troops of other countries in Ankara either so what's your point?
The other countries you count are not occupying America, but America is occupying all countries
North German Realm wrote:Neither YPG nor the FSA are terrorists. The Turkish Free Syrian Army and the countless droves of terrorist groups that Turkey uses in its occupation of Eastern Kurdistan however, are terrorists, as is the State of Turkey.
I am very curious where do you get the information to call a legal state a terrorist.I was just sad for you


America “occupying all countries”. Really :roll:
Look America absolutely has occupied places (not all places, which is just silly though), done bad things, and supported bad groups. But it is not unique in these regards.
That is not to say that the fact the US is not uniquely bad makes it good in these things, it does not.

But it does undermine you ridiculous (and hypocritical as Turkey is occupying Cyprus and Syria) claims that only the US is guilty.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:55 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Besides it is a stretch to calm the YPG terrorists because they have some unsavory connections to groups like the PKK. If having unsavory connections makes one a terrorist then everyone is, and the word has no meaning. Sure the YPG are not some perfect heroes, they are a deeply flawed group with a lot of problems but they helped fight ISIS and are not the absolute what. In the Middle East that is the best you can ask for.

Because glassing the whole regional is evil and genocidal and we cannot just make it teleport to another planet, we have to deal with it. Dirty and disgusting yes. But you play the cards you have.

The whole Grey Wolves (actual terrorists themselves) propaganda “all Kurds are terrorism and must die” is not true, even if Erdogan has picked it up when he realized the Kurds would no longer support him politically.

It is especially funny to hear from Turkey who backs Al Nusra (or whatever name it uses now).
Sure we all have to side with bad groups but Turkey picks some of the worst of the worst.


A lot of the people welcoming Turkey as a liberator are gonna realize real quick that they made a mistake. Syria would be better without Assad, but if it's Assad or turkey, it's better with Assad than with Turkey running the show. Knowing how Turkish history has gone, the ancestors of the current Arab fighters backing Turkey up would end up being genocide victims. Turkey's only goal seems to be "manipulate the situation in turkey's favor even if other people die as a result." It was the Armenians yesterday and the Kurds today. Tomorrow it could be the arabs, so they better watch out.
I just feel sorry and give up explaining There are people like you in my country, the only difference is that you are foreigners.America supports political Islam and provides money to arms dealers but you can't see it. instead you throw the so-called genocide lies.You and those who think like you are no different from the erdoğan electorate,open your heart to love and peace Not to those who partner with the Taliban

Novus America wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:The other countries you count are not occupying America, but America is occupying all countries
I am very curious where do you get the information to call a legal state a terrorist.I was just sad for you
But it does undermine you ridiculous (and hypocritical as Turkey is occupying Cyprus and Syria) claims that only the US is guilty.
terrorist organizations killing cyprus civilians [EOKA],Turkey's border security [YPG] the real hypocrisy is to kill Saddam Hussein and establish terrorist states.
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