Coronavirus Thread VI: Are We Nearly There Yet? (READ OP)

[North Washington Republic]

This is great, but 34 million isn’t that many when you consider just how many people live in poorer countries.

Unless that’s all they can supply.

noting that i am not privy to internal supply chain discussions, i suspect it's a mixture of supply limitations and preexisting contracts

Honestly, I think giving vaccines directly to countries that need them is more effective than liberalization of patens. This ensures that the vaccines are made correctly, and they are ready to use.

no, the patents would be a game-changer
do you think the rest of the world doesn't have quality control???

I know this may sound bigoted but the quality controls of developed countries are better than those of developing countries. You know me, I’m not one of those assholes that say “let poor people in other countries die.” Hell, we should be sending vaccines to countries that need them because the MAGAs don’t want it. We should especially focus shipping on the one-dose J&J vaccine because poorer people in developing countries may have trouble making it to their 2nd jab. If we focus on sending already made vaccines to countries, we don’t have to worry about quality.

[Kowani]

noting that i am not privy to internal supply chain discussions, i suspect it's a mixture of supply limitations and preexisting contracts


no, the patents would be a game-changer
do you think the rest of the world doesn't have quality control???

I know this may sound bigoted but the quality controls of developed countries are better than those of developing countries. You know me, I’m not one of those assholes that say “let poor people in other countries die.” Hell, we should be sending vaccines to countries that need them because the MAGAs don’t want it. We should especially focus shipping on the one-dose J&J vaccine because poorer people in developing countries may have trouble making it to their 2nd jab. If we focus on sending already made vaccines to countries, we don’t have to worry about quality.

this is an even worse strategy than the previous one

[North Washington Republic]

I know this may sound bigoted but the quality controls of developed countries are better than those of developing countries. You know me, I’m not one of those assholes that say “let poor people in other countries die.” Hell, we should be sending vaccines to countries that need them because the MAGAs don’t want it. We should especially focus shipping on the one-dose J&J vaccine because poorer people in developing countries may have trouble making it to their 2nd jab. If we focus on sending already made vaccines to countries, we don’t have to worry about quality.

this is an even worse strategy than the previous one

Could you explain why you think sending one dose vaccines is such a horrible strategy?

[Uzbekstaland]

I say we are about 56-60% through the pandemic.

[Kowani]

this is an even worse strategy than the previous one

Could you explain why you think sending one dose vaccines is such a horrible strategy?

the problem isn't (mostly) the sending of the vaccines
it's the "give up on fighting virus resevoirs in our own country to send the vaccines that do the worst against the variants abroad" bit
there's like nothing here of value lmao
just release the damn patents

[Washington Resistance Army]

Could you explain why you think sending one dose vaccines is such a horrible strategy?

the problem isn't (mostly) the sending of the vaccines
it's the "give up on fighting virus resevoirs in our own country to send the vaccines that do the worst against the variants abroad" bit
there's like nothing here of value lmao
just release the damn patents

This. Hoarding patents and shit like that will just keep the pandemic going ad infinitum at this rate.

[Immortan Khan]

the problem isn't (mostly) the sending of the vaccines
it's the "give up on fighting virus resevoirs in our own country to send the vaccines that do the worst against the variants abroad" bit
there's like nothing here of value lmao
just release the damn patents

This. Hoarding patents and shit like that will just keep the pandemic going ad infinitum at this rate.

At the current pace of things, it'll be about 7 years for most of the world to be vaccinated. I'm personally worried that once the pandemic is over in the developed world everyone will lose interest and developing countries will be left out in the cold.

[The Alma Mater]

This. Hoarding patents and shit like that will just keep the pandemic going ad infinitum at this rate.

At the current pace of things, it'll be about 7 years for most of the world to be vaccinated. I'm personally worried that once the pandemic is over in the developed world everyone will lose interest and developing countries will be left out in the cold.

Then we would get the central African mutation that completely ignores vaccinations, and the whole thing starts over again.
Global vaccination is needed. That or complete deglobalisation - which admittedly is better for the environment, so not all bad as an option.

[CoraSpia]

This is great, but 34 million isn’t that many when you consider just how many people live in poorer countries.

Unless that’s all they can supply.

noting that i am not privy to internal supply chain discussions, i suspect it's a mixture of supply limitations and preexisting contracts

Honestly, I think giving vaccines directly to countries that need them is more effective than liberalization of patens. This ensures that the vaccines are made correctly, and they are ready to use.

no, the patents would be a game-changer
do you think the rest of the world doesn't have quality control???

I'm opposed to the degradation of patent protections. These companies developed the vaccines, they should have the right to decide how much it costs and to who.

[Kowani]

noting that i am not privy to internal supply chain discussions, i suspect it's a mixture of supply limitations and preexisting contracts


no, the patents would be a game-changer
do you think the rest of the world doesn't have quality control???

I'm opposed to the degradation of patent protections. These companies developed the vaccines, they should have the right to decide how much it costs and to who.

off of public funds, with the knowledge that we could choose to release the patent at any time
they can suck it up

[North Washington Republic]

Could you explain why you think sending one dose vaccines is such a horrible strategy?

the problem isn't (mostly) the sending of the vaccines
it's the "give up on fighting virus resevoirs in our own country to send the vaccines that do the worst against the variants abroad" bit
there's like nothing here of value lmao
just release the damn patents

I don’t think you know how hard of a “no” a good % of MAGAs have to the vaccines. These people will never receive the vaccine. So, we should be sending them to nations that need them. None of are vaccines should be wasted and convincing a vaccine hesitant MAGA isn’t worth the time. Already made vaccines are far superior than releasing patents. Why? Because developing countries don’t have the infrastructure to make these vaccines and ensure that they’re made correctly.

[CoraSpia]

I'm opposed to the degradation of patent protections. These companies developed the vaccines, they should have the right to decide how much it costs and to who.

off of public funds, with the knowledge that we could choose to release the patent at any time
they can suck it up

Then why should they bother producing boosters if their work is just going to be stolen from them?

[Immortan Khan]

off of public funds, with the knowledge that we could choose to release the patent at any time
they can suck it up

Then why should they bother producing boosters if their work is just going to be stolen from them?

We could always threaten them.

[CoraSpia]

Then why should they bother producing boosters if their work is just going to be stolen from them?

We could always threaten them.

With? governments have done a very good job at protecting them, generally because they were worried about expropriations from poorer countries. Those agreements work both ways though.

[The Alma Mater]

off of public funds, with the knowledge that we could choose to release the patent at any time
they can suck it up

Then why should they bother producing boosters if their work is just going to be stolen from them?

Because the reopening of the global society is in their best interest as well ? Perhaps they want to visit a broadway show. Go on a holiday.

[CoraSpia]

Then why should they bother producing boosters if their work is just going to be stolen from them?

Because the reopening of the global society is in their best interest as well ? Perhaps they want to visit a broadway show. Go on a holiday.

I think they'd likely prefer a containment method. When a country is having an outbreak, shut off all travel to that country and let it run rampant there. Then the executives can still do what they want while the company profits off of inflating the prices of vaccines they sell to a suddenly desperate country.

[New Visayan Islands]

Data for PH as of May 5th, 1600 PHT/0400 EDT.

Detailed update in Tagalog. Key data to consider:

• 33449 people were tested, with a 14.9% positivity rate. That's 4984 positive results for SARS-CoV-2 if you did the math and rounded off to the nearest whole person because 4983.901 is the exact amount.
• 5685 people were added to the "I have The Coof" tally.
• 8961 people moved to the "I survived The Coof" tally, and 178 people croaked.

Also:

• PH congressmen to FDA: You have no power here!
• I know what you're thinking. DON'T.
• 87% on round 1 beats somewhere in the 50s after two rounds, amirite?
• ...what?

[Ethel mermania]

noting that i am not privy to internal supply chain discussions, i suspect it's a mixture of supply limitations and preexisting contracts


no, the patents would be a game-changer
do you think the rest of the world doesn't have quality control???

I know this may sound bigoted but the quality controls of developed countries are better than those of developing countries. You know me, I’m not one of those assholes that say “let poor people in other countries die.” Hell, we should be sending vaccines to countries that need them because the MAGAs don’t want it. We should especially focus shipping on the one-dose J&J vaccine because poorer people in developing countries may have trouble making it to their 2nd jab. If we focus on sending already made vaccines to countries, we don’t have to worry about quality.

J & J is owned by the same family that owns the New York Jets. Have you seen the New York Jets play? The decades of futility? How anyone trusts the quality control of the people who own the New York Jets is beyond me

[Ifreann]

noting that i am not privy to internal supply chain discussions, i suspect it's a mixture of supply limitations and preexisting contracts


no, the patents would be a game-changer
do you think the rest of the world doesn't have quality control???

I know this may sound bigoted but the quality controls of developed countries are better than those of developing countries.

15 million J&J doses ruined by Baltimore manufacturing company. That would be Baltimore, Maryland, USA. Not Baltimore, Andhra Pradesh, India.

[CoraSpia]

I know this may sound bigoted but the quality controls of developed countries are better than those of developing countries.

15 million J&J doses ruined by Baltimore manufacturing company. That would be Baltimore, Maryland, USA. Not Baltimore, Andhra Pradesh, India.

I assume that was spotted by the quality control people before they went into peoples arms? Things like that are bound to happen, there was another one a while back. When you're making vast quantities at a fast pace there are going to be issues, it's expected. The important thing is spotting them.

[Ifreann]

15 million J&J doses ruined by Baltimore manufacturing company. That would be Baltimore, Maryland, USA. Not Baltimore, Andhra Pradesh, India.

I assume that was spotted by the quality control people before they went into peoples arms? Things like that are bound to happen, there was another one a while back. When you're making vast quantities at a fast pace there are going to be issues, it's expected. The important thing is spotting them.

And is there some reason to expect that Indians would not have noticed that someone in the plant had gotten the ingredients wrong?

[Immortan Khan]

We could always threaten them.

With?

A range of katorgas to death in terms of punishment.

[Xmara]

I know this may sound bigoted but the quality controls of developed countries are better than those of developing countries.

15 million J&J doses ruined by Baltimore manufacturing company. That would be Baltimore, Maryland, USA. Not Baltimore, Andhra Pradesh, India.

Didn’t even know there was a Baltimore in India

[Xmara]

Canada authorizes covid vaccine for 12-15 year olds, becoming the first country to do so

[Luminesa]

I know this is a bit of a weird spot to mention this topic, but because it’s become more relevant with the dancing TikTok videos that have come up every now and then, I thought Dr. Mike here did a good job discussing doctors, TikTok, and balancing work and social media. Especially given the pandemic and the weariness of many doctors, nurses, and medical professionals which has led to this discussion, I think the perspective of an actual doctor and not a random NSer is handy:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D_6eNbSwYuw