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Jack Thomas Lang wrote:

Grenartia wrote:1. You specifically denied knowing who the people in the picture were, which is not an issue anyone raised until you said so. People do not specifically deny knowledge about things unprovoked unless they are trying to deflect from something.
2. You specifically said Necro didn't know who those people were, as if you did in fact know who they were, and somehow had proof that Necro couldn't possibly know who they were.

Given these facts, it is more than reasonable to think you were lying about not knowing who they were. And, given your well-known, hardcore traditional Catholic stance on...everything, you have every motivation to be too ashamed to openly admit to knowing who two porn actors (especially transgender ones) are.

I'm not even reaching that hard, you put the cookie jar on the floor, left the lid off, and then said "I didn't eat the cookies!". Nobody's parents fell for it when they were kids, and I won't fall for it now.

It's not reasonable. I don't know about other people, but it still looks like you're reaching to accuse another poster of watching or knowing something about transgender porn to shame them.

Which is fucking sad tbqh.

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:why can't homeless shelters have freedom to choose? It's not a bad thing if they get to decide.

Vassenor wrote:

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:why can't homeless shelters have freedom to choose? It's not a bad thing if they get to decide.

There you have it. Active discrimination is just "freedom to choose" and "not a bad thing".

Salus Maior wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
There you have it. Active discrimination is just "freedom to choose" and "not a bad thing".

So women's shelters are bad?

Vassenor wrote:

Salus Maior wrote:
So women's shelters are bad?

#falseequivalence

Salus Maior wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
#falseequivalence

Women's shelters actively discriminate against men for their biological sex.

If they can do that to them, then single-sex shelters can discriminate against transgenders for their biological sex.

Vassenor wrote:

Salus Maior wrote:
Women's shelters actively discriminate against men for their biological sex.

If they can do that to them, then single-sex shelters can discriminate against transgenders for their biological sex.

So yes false equivalence to try and NO U the argument.

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:why can't homeless shelters have freedom to choose? It's not a bad thing if they get to decide.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
So yes false equivalence to try and NO U the argument.

I'm not even for the discrimination, but that's not a false equivalence at all.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
So yes false equivalence to try and NO U the argument.

I'm not even for the discrimination, but that's not a false equivalence at all.

Grenartia wrote:
As has been previously pointed out, most homeless shelters are run by religious organizations with proven and recent anti-LGBT+ biases. Secular shelters are extremely few and far in between, especially in areas that aren't Los Angeles, San Francisco, Chicago, Seattle, DC, or New York. Ones that are actually competent at dealing with the LGBT+ community in a non-shitty way are likely even rarer.

Cappuccina wrote:

United Muscovite Nations wrote:I'm not even for the discrimination, but that's not a false equivalence at all.

I agree with you on this, there should be transgender shelters, it'd eliminate the issue. Transphobes can be happy that no "icky" transpeople are around them, and trans homeless people can be safe, fed, and have a roof over their heads.

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:

Cappuccina wrote:I agree with you on this, there should be transgender shelters, it'd eliminate the issue. Transphobes can be happy that no "icky" transpeople are around them, and trans homeless people can be safe, fed, and have a roof over their heads.

How about we don't have women's shelters or men's shelters or trans shelters, we just have shelters. Segregation is bad folks, I thought we established that.

Salus Maior wrote:

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:How about we don't have women's shelters or men's shelters or trans shelters, we just have shelters. Segregation is bad folks, I thought we established that.

If you want to pick a fight with Feminists go right ahead. It'll be fun.

Salus Maior wrote:

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:How about we don't have women's shelters or men's shelters or trans shelters, we just have shelters. Segregation is bad folks, I thought we established that.

If you want to pick a fight with Feminists go right ahead. It'll be fun.

Gormwood wrote:

Salus Maior wrote:
If you want to pick a fight with Feminists go right ahead. It'll be fun.

It's just a matter of time before someone in this forum tries to organize a literal feminist hunt.

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:

Cappuccina wrote:I agree with you on this, there should be transgender shelters, it'd eliminate the issue. Transphobes can be happy that no "icky" transpeople are around them, and trans homeless people can be safe, fed, and have a roof over their heads.

How about we don't have women's shelters or men's shelters or trans shelters, we just have shelters. Segregation is bad folks, I thought we established that.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:Where we're going, we won't need lifts.

I just think it's ridiculous that we're wording an issue about people being forced into the streets by economics as if it's socially conservative values that are the main enemy and not the system that makes homeless shelters necessary in the first place. If people are being thrown out of their homes for being trans, we can tackle that too, certainly, but we need to do better than just a social safety net for a system that requires large numbers of people to fail.

Cappuccina wrote:

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:How about we don't have women's shelters or men's shelters or trans shelters, we just have shelters. Segregation is bad folks, I thought we established that.

Separation is the pragmatic solution here. All the arguing about who should be allowed where and with who, is wasting time and effort that could be used to help people get out of the streets. Make separate fucking shelters for everyone so all the idpol idiots on all sides can shut the hell up and stop slowing down aid to homeless people.

Gormwood wrote:

Salus Maior wrote:
If you want to pick a fight with Feminists go right ahead. It'll be fun.

It's just a matter of time before someone in this forum tries to organize a literal feminist hunt.

Nakena wrote:

Gormwood wrote:It's just a matter of time before someone in this forum tries to organize a literal feminist hunt.

If you think NSG is bad, check reddit.

Eternal Lotharia wrote:This is disgusting. Any republican that claims to be moral yet supports the policy or the president or who anyone else who supports it cannot claim to be moral and have sold their soul to the devil. Whether you think Transgenderism is a illness or not this is inexcusable.

How many more shitty stuff does the Trump Admin. have to do before you all realize it's pure evil and Anti-Christian?

Grenartia wrote:

Eternal Lotharia wrote:This is disgusting. Any republican that claims to be moral yet supports the policy or the president or who anyone else who supports it cannot claim to be moral and have sold their soul to the devil. Whether you think Transgenderism is a illness or not this is inexcusable.

How many more shitty stuff does the Trump Admin. have to do before you all realize it's pure evil and Anti-Christian?

If you've signed a deal with the devil (as the religious right has), why would you suddenly start caring about something being evil and anti-Christian?

Salus Maior wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
#falseequivalence

Women's shelters actively discriminate against men for their biological sex.

If they can do that to them, then single-sex shelters can discriminate against transgenders for their biological sex.

Threlizdun wrote:

Salus Maior wrote:
Women's shelters actively discriminate against men for their biological sex.

If they can do that to them, then single-sex shelters can discriminate against transgenders for their biological sex.

Women's shelters do not discriminate based on gender. They are established for the specific purpose of combating violence against women, and specialize in genered violence and women's services. Trans women undergo gendered violence at rates similar to or above those of cis women. It makes sense having trans women in women's shelters because they're women and experience violence in ways similar to cis women.