Capitalism or Socialism: Which is better?

[Ferro Populi]

Typical. "They don't agree with me, so lets label them and treat anyone with that label as if they are an idiot." Purely typical and utterly unsurprising.

Come back when you can have political discourse without resorting to perjorative.

The world, its stupid.

Agreed. Totally damn agreed.

Hi eve. =P

[Mike the Progressive]

Don't blame Genivar. He's the Forrest Gump of Politics.

Time for both of you to take a coffee break and chill out a bit /notamod

Why whatever do you mean? I was giving him a compliment.

[Unilisia]

The world, its stupid.

Agreed. Totally damn agreed.

Hi eve. =P

Don't lowercase the first letter of a name. And don't use my nickname, my name is Evelyn

Other than that, hello. We shouldn't be doing a short response like this in a thread such as this one anyhow

*skidaddles*

[Apollonesia]

True capitalism is not supposed to be greedy corporations controlling the country. That is not what the founders wanted. The reason the economy is failing in the US is because of greed and socialism, not because of the capitalist system.

What the Founders wanted is irrelevant, because they lived before the rise of industrial capitalism. To say they supported capitalism is an anachronism.

The economy, for that matter, isn't failing. It's in a recession, a recession caused not by greed or "socialism", but a confluence of factors mostly stemming from overinvestment and a declining rate of profit in the financial sector.

Excellent!

[Trotskylvania]

Time for both of you to take a coffee break and chill out a bit /notamod

Why whatever do you mean? I was giving him a compliment.

Forrest Gump may have been a loveable developmentally challenged person, but he was still retarded, and comparing someone to him is not going to go over well.

[Flat Beats]

A recession caused by Fannie-Mae and Freddie-Mac.

[Genivar]

What the Founders wanted is irrelevant, because they lived before the rise of industrial capitalism. To say they supported capitalism is an anachronism.

The economy, for that matter, isn't failing. It's in a recession, a recession caused not by greed or "socialism", but a confluence of factors mostly stemming from overinvestment and a declining rate of profit in the financial sector.[/quote
Okay, fine, America is in a "recession". If you were well informed, or lived in the US, you would know that this is not just a normal recession. Also, the fact that the founders lived at a time with different technology does not mean anything; the ideas and principles are
still the same.

I beg to differ. As times change society must change with it or be left behind. Most people don't seem to understand that the free market does NOT work. All I have to do is point at the Great Depression to prove that. Now if FDR's critics are to be believed then its FDR's Socialist New Deal which got America OUT of the Depression putting millions of unemployed Americans to work and at the same time building up our infrastructure.

[Mike the Progressive]

Why whatever do you mean? I was giving him a compliment.

Forrest Gump may have been a loveable developmentally challenged person, but he was still retarded, and comparing someone to him is not going to go over well.

Nah. I disagree. He was a war hero, an entrepreneur, and overall, a lovable guy.

[Mike the Progressive]

What the Founders wanted is irrelevant, because they lived before the rise of industrial capitalism. To say they supported capitalism is an anachronism.

The economy, for that matter, isn't failing. It's in a recession, a recession caused not by greed or "socialism", but a confluence of factors mostly stemming from overinvestment and a declining rate of profit in the financial sector.[/quote
Okay, fine, America is in a "recession". If you were well informed, or lived in the US, you would know that this is not just a normal recession. Also, the fact that the founders lived at a time with different technology does not mean anything; the ideas and principles are
still the same.

I beg to differ. As times change society must change with it or be left behind. Most people don't seem to understand that the free market does NOT work. All I have to do is point at the Great Depression to prove that. Now if FDR's critics are to be believed then its FDR's Socialist New Deal which got America OUT of the Depression putting millions of unemployed Americans to work and at the same time building up our infrastructure.

Whoah, how does the Great Depression indicate the free market doesn't work?

[Genivar]

Forrest Gump may have been a loveable developmentally challenged person, but he was still retarded, and comparing someone to him is not going to go over well.

Nah. I disagree. He was a war hero, an entrepreneur, and overall, a lovable guy.

Either way you can still go to hell. I don't know what your problem is, quit picking fights all the time.

[Ferro Populi]

A recession caused by Fannie-Mae and Freddie-Mac is hurting the U.S. economy and giving weight to Center-Right, Libertarian-Right arguments.

Fixed Completed.

[Mike the Progressive]

Nah. I disagree. He was a war hero, an entrepreneur, and overall, a lovable guy.

Either way you can still go to hell. I don't know what your problem is, quit picking fights all the time.

Now, now, don't get angry, sport.

[Minoriteeburg]

I beg to differ. As times change society must change with it or be left behind. Most people don't seem to understand that the free market does NOT work. All I have to do is point at the Great Depression to prove that. Now if FDR's critics are to be believed then its FDR's Socialist New Deal which got America OUT of the Depression putting millions of unemployed Americans to work and at the same time building up our infrastructure.

Whoah, how does the Great Depression indicate the free market doesn't work?

*head explodes*

[Genivar]

I beg to differ. As times change society must change with it or be left behind. Most people don't seem to understand that the free market does NOT work. All I have to do is point at the Great Depression to prove that. Now if FDR's critics are to be believed then its FDR's Socialist New Deal which got America OUT of the Depression putting millions of unemployed Americans to work and at the same time building up our infrastructure.

Whoah, how does the Great Depression indicate the free market doesn't work?

*sigh* Because it was Laissez Faire Capitalism that CAUSED the Great Depression. Or is that just a liberal lie?

[Zutroy]

Okay, fine, America is in a "recession". If you were well informed, or lived in the US, you would know that this is not just a normal recession. Also, the fact that the founders lived at a time with different technology does not mean anything; the ideas and principles are still the same.

What he's pointing out is that the ideas and principles weren't there to begin with. Laissez-faire capitalism came after the "Founders", not from them. Quit projecting it onto them.

[Ferro Populi]

Nah. I disagree. He was a war hero, an entrepreneur, and overall, a lovable guy.

Either way you can still go to hell. I don't know what your problem is, quit picking fights all the time.

You're the one who just made an outright flame. Knock it off, everyone.

[Ferro Populi]

Whoah, how does the Great Depression indicate the free market doesn't work?

*sigh* Because it was Laissez Faire Capitalism that CAUSED the Great Depression.

Source pl0x.

[The Merchant Republics]

Market mutualism. No state, no corporations.

Been watching Deadwood?

Not sure that can work with the amount of people today and the way we can get around.

If there was a little isolation, sure......

Been confusing television for real life?

[Forster Keys]

I have a question, I thought socialism WAS a mixed economy and communism was the opposite of capitalism. Thats what my teacher said anyway. Is socialism just the new word and people use it interchangeably with communism?

They're just terms. People use them for any number of things, I'm not sure they have any concrete universal meanings.

[Forster Keys]

That's great. What are you going to do about it?

Vote for parties that profess to be working towards a free-market system. March at free-market rallies. Vote against socialistic reform.

The usual for a U.S. taxpayer.

Unfortunately a lot of free market leaning people/parties are also authoritarian and conservative socially.

[Mike the Progressive]

Whoah, how does the Great Depression indicate the free market doesn't work?

*head explodes*

Okay, let me explain. My argument is this: when the Great Depression occurred, the US was not free-market or laissez faire. That is our government didn't "let things go" and let the invisible hand of the market work. Instead the government was pro-capital (which is corporatism and against free market ideologue): it had tariffs, it banned unions (for the longest of times), and it gave out subsidies to companies. All against libertarian ideologue. The government was involved, just on the capital side.

Hoover, FDR's predecessor, was a progressive republican. Go ahead and read what he did as President. He rose tariffs and expanded government bureaucracy. Again, not letting the economy fix itself.

So again, how does the Great Depression show free market policies do not work?

[Ferro Populi]

Vote for parties that profess to be working towards a free-market system. March at free-market rallies. Vote against socialistic reform.

The usual for a U.S. taxpayer.

Unfortunately a lot of free market leaning people/parties are also authoritarian and conservative socially.

Social Conservatism can be phased out a lot easier than economic regulation and government dependence can. Look at England and Greece.

[Mike the Progressive]

Whoah, how does the Great Depression indicate the free market doesn't work?

*sigh* Because it was Laissez Faire Capitalism that CAUSED the Great Depression. Or is that just a liberal lie?

Liberal lie? Hardly. A misconception? Absolutely.

[Zutroy]

Forrest Gump may have been a loveable developmentally challenged person, but he was still retarded, and comparing someone to him is not going to go over well.

Nah. I disagree. He was a war hero, an entrepreneur, and overall, a lovable guy.

That's really a ridiculous statement.

[The Merchant Republics]

Whoah, how does the Great Depression indicate the free market doesn't work?

*sigh* Because it was Laissez Faire Capitalism that CAUSED the Great Depression. Or is that just a liberal lie?

Not quite, a host of things contributed to the great depression, a host of things made it "great', Laissez-Faire was not one of them, what caused the GD was the same thing which caused the Great Recession of today, a massive credit crisis and bank crashes. Principally the worse was the government's response to the downturn, trade barriers, taxes and regulations.