Trump stirs up the nativist pot (again)

[EastKekistan]

Well, they are fairly soulless a lot of the time.

You can't have a sense of rootedness and identity when everyone is from somewhere else and has no social bonds because they don't have anything in common with those around them.

You know rootlessness is what successful people in all societies historically have. Elites have always been rootless.

[Bear Stearns]

You mean the parts of America where most people live and basically set the cultural zeitgeist? Yeah, they're atomized, soulless imperial outposts.

Detroit? It is not an imperial outpost. Instead it is basically Kinshasa transplanted to North America.

I was referring more to places like New York, San Francisco, Boston, and Washington DC.

Rural America is forgotten except when its useful for resource extraction or to find recruits for our dumb wars and the decayed husks of the Rust Belt are like 1990s Russia.

[EastKekistan]

Because they are actually successful self-interest maximizers? Lmao.

I wouldn't say that's necessarily a good thing. The whole world doesn't need to be as commercialized as Manhattan.

Fine. We can agree to disagree. I prefer to live in a Manhattan or a Silicon Valley though. It just needs to be as safe as Singapore.

[Nova Cyberia]

Well, they are fairly soulless a lot of the time.

You can't have a sense of rootedness and identity when everyone is from somewhere else and has no social bonds because they don't have anything in common with those around them.

People who live along the coasts have little in common with those in Middle America.

It's part of the reason why we have such a deepening cultural divide.

[Bear Stearns]

You can't have a sense of rootedness and identity when everyone is from somewhere else and has no social bonds because they don't have anything in common with those around them.

You know rootlessness is what successful people in all societies historically have. Elites have always been rootless.

You're telling me. I am one of the cosmopolitans I am criticizing.

[Bear Stearns]

You can't have a sense of rootedness and identity when everyone is from somewhere else and has no social bonds because they don't have anything in common with those around them.

People who live along the coasts have little in common with those in Middle America.

It's part of the reason why we have such a deepening cultural divide.

This is obvious, because Middle America and the coasts might as well be separate countries.

[Kvatchdom]

I wouldn't say that's necessarily a good thing. The whole world doesn't need to be as commercialized as Manhattan.

Fine. We can agree to disagree. I prefer to live in a Manhattan or a Silicon Valley though. It just needs to be as safe as Singapore.

Singapore is a one city nation mate. With an extremely conservative culture, and a very diverse population. I think like 76% are immigrants or immigrant descent.

[EastKekistan]

Detroit? It is not an imperial outpost. Instead it is basically Kinshasa transplanted to North America.

I was referring more to places like New York, San Francisco, Boston, and Washington DC.

Rural America is forgotten except when its useful for resource extraction or to find recruits for our dumb wars and the decayed husks of the Rust Belt are like 1990s Russia.

Sure. Same for rural Japan, rural France, rural China, etc. Elites don't give a shit about roots. Well, they in fact sometimes do..give a shit about their family roots. The society? Haha.

Latin-speaking European elites did not care about ordinary French-speaking or German-speaking Europeans. Same for the Persian-speaking elite in the Muslim world or traditional Chinese-writing elites in China.

[Nova Cyberia]

People who live along the coasts have little in common with those in Middle America.

It's part of the reason why we have such a deepening cultural divide.

This is obvious, because Middle America and the coasts might as well be separate countries.

Being lorded over by coastal elites is the best way to bring people together.

[EastKekistan]

You can't have a sense of rootedness and identity when everyone is from somewhere else and has no social bonds because they don't have anything in common with those around them.

People who live along the coasts have little in common with those in Middle America.

It's part of the reason why we have such a deepening cultural divide.

Uh..that's actually a minor one. The major issue is between whites, browns and blacks while NE Asians wonder WTF is even going on..

[Galiantus III]

President Donald trump made news again for all the wrong reasons yesterday after lashing out at Democratic representatives Ayanna Pressley, Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, Ilhan Omar and Rashida Talib in a usual daily tweet storm of his, which no one can control or mitigate. While trump is known for taking shots at people, his latest anger took a dark and bigotted turn when he suggested that the congresswomen not only hated America but should "go back to the countries they came from and fix them." Already as usual, the conflict pits the people who always hated trump against the people who always loved him, and there's few people on the fence. Trump doubled down on his statements and accused the freshmen congresswomen of being "racist and vile" (isn't that ironic) and demanding democrats apologize for defending them.

Now a lot of people probably are wondering my opinion on this issue, so this is where my thoughts come in. Seriously what the actual hell was he thinking when he tweeted that? Does he understand the connotation when you tell someone of a nonwhite background to "go back to where they came from and fix the corruption there?" And how are some of them supposed to go back? Rashida Talib was born in Detroit michigan. Last time I checked, despite the war zone levels of violence Detroit is very much an American city. Alexandria Ocasio Cortez was born in the Bronx and is of Puerto Rican heritage, meaning her family has been living in America technically since 1898. Ayanna Pressley is African American and her ancestors probably were brought here against their wills two hundred years before Donald's even got off the boat. Omar was born in Somalia but spent most of her life here and is a US citizen. Of course trump's most die hard fans are doubling down as well, but this isn't even dogwhistling any more in my opinion. So what are your opinions on this issue NSers? Have you heard of the latest controversy surrounding the president, one of thousands he's been involved in?

Rashida Talib has a more foul mouth than Trump and has actually advocated for violence, AOC is an airhead who won her district on an exploit and is out of touch with her district, and Ilhan Omar is a pez dispenser for antisemitism and hate against America. They are terrible people compared to Trump. So yeah. I care zero percent what Trump has to say about the lot of them. And by the way, these congresswomen have been a thorn in Nancy Pelosi's side fore the past seven months straight. Democrats don't have to agree with Trump to recognize they are batshit insane and need to be stripped of their party membership and shunned in congress.

It also makes perfect sense to suggest that people who migrated to a better country go back to their country of origin and help the people they are related to by blood, their family and extended family, and their friends and neighbors. Whatever connotations you are referring to are absolutely not racist - I have like 50% English heritage, and I would have no shame telling an English migrant who became my political rival "go back across the pond you redcoat and fix the problems with your own country". See, the left is the one obsessed with race here. Trump does this to literally all of his political opponents, regardless of their race. There are conservative politicians who are of "minority groups" as defined by the left, and you'll notice he doesn't hurl insults at them like this. Yeah, it's childish. But it's far from "bigoted"(as used incorrectly by the left), "vile", or "racist".

Look, I don't particularly like Trump. He is a pretty crass person. But if the Democrats keep on going like they have, I am going to vote for him. The economy is good, he has more tempered hand with our military than Obama did, and honestly I don't see where the idea he is racist, homophobic, etc. is coming from. The only real issues the far left should have with him are he's against socialism, against abortion, and against open borders. And frankly, those are pretty mainstream views - even some centrist Democrats agree with those.

[EastKekistan]

This is obvious, because Middle America and the coasts might as well be separate countries.

Being lorded over by coastal elites is the best way to bring people together.

Same for being lorded over by Rome?

[Nova Cyberia]

Fine. We can agree to disagree. I prefer to live in a Manhattan or a Silicon Valley though. It just needs to be as safe as Singapore.

Singapore is a one city nation mate. With an extremely conservative culture, and a very diverse population. I think like 76% are immigrants or immigrant descent.

Ah, Singapore.

The only country to be forced into independence.

[Nova Cyberia]

Being lorded over by coastal elites is the best way to bring people together.

Same for being lorded over by Rome?

As much as I love the Romans, I wouldn't want to have lived under them.

It's all fun and games until a rebellion starts and the Legions are sent in to kill and enslave everyone.

[Bear Stearns]

This is obvious, because Middle America and the coasts might as well be separate countries.

Being lorded over by coastal elites is the best way to bring people together.

Only when the coastal elites and Middle America share things in common like a culture or value system.

[Vassenor]

President Donald trump made news again for all the wrong reasons yesterday after lashing out at Democratic representatives Ayanna Pressley, Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, Ilhan Omar and Rashida Talib in a usual daily tweet storm of his, which no one can control or mitigate. While trump is known for taking shots at people, his latest anger took a dark and bigotted turn when he suggested that the congresswomen not only hated America but should "go back to the countries they came from and fix them." Already as usual, the conflict pits the people who always hated trump against the people who always loved him, and there's few people on the fence. Trump doubled down on his statements and accused the freshmen congresswomen of being "racist and vile" (isn't that ironic) and demanding democrats apologize for defending them.

Now a lot of people probably are wondering my opinion on this issue, so this is where my thoughts come in. Seriously what the actual hell was he thinking when he tweeted that? Does he understand the connotation when you tell someone of a nonwhite background to "go back to where they came from and fix the corruption there?" And how are some of them supposed to go back? Rashida Talib was born in Detroit michigan. Last time I checked, despite the war zone levels of violence Detroit is very much an American city. Alexandria Ocasio Cortez was born in the Bronx and is of Puerto Rican heritage, meaning her family has been living in America technically since 1898. Ayanna Pressley is African American and her ancestors probably were brought here against their wills two hundred years before Donald's even got off the boat. Omar was born in Somalia but spent most of her life here and is a US citizen. Of course trump's most die hard fans are doubling down as well, but this isn't even dogwhistling any more in my opinion. So what are your opinions on this issue NSers? Have you heard of the latest controversy surrounding the president, one of thousands he's been involved in?

Rashida Talib has a more foul mouth than Trump and has actually advocated for violence, AOC is an airhead who won her district on an exploit and is out of touch with her district, and Ilhan Omar is a pez dispenser for antisemitism and hate against America. They are terrible people compared to Trump. So yeah. I care zero percent what Trump has to say about the lot of them. And by the way, these congresswomen have been a thorn in Nancy Pelosi's side fore the past seven months straight. Democrats don't have to agree with Trump to recognize they are batshit insane and need to be stripped of their party membership and shunned in congress.

It also makes perfect sense to suggest that people who migrated to a better country go back to their country of origin and help the people they are related to by blood, their family and extended family, and their friends and neighbors. Whatever connotations you are referring to are absolutely not racist - I have like 50% English heritage, and I would have no shame telling an English migrant who became my political rival "go back across the pond you redcoat and fix the problems with your own country". See, the left is the one obsessed with race here. Trump does this to literally all of his political opponents, regardless of their race. There are conservative politicians who are of "minority groups" as defined by the left, and you'll notice he doesn't hurl insults at them like this. Yeah, it's childish. But it's far from "bigoted"(as used incorrectly by the left), "vile", or "racist".

Look, I don't particularly like Trump. He is a pretty crass person. But if the Democrats keep on going like they have, I am going to vote for him. The economy is good, he has more tempered hand with our military than Obama did, and honestly I don't see where the idea he is racist, homophobic, etc. is coming from. The only real issues the far left should have with him are he's against socialism, against abortion, and against open borders. And frankly, those are pretty mainstream views - even some centrist Democrats agree with those.

Meanwhile, in reality...

[EastKekistan]

Singapore is a one city nation mate. With an extremely conservative culture, and a very diverse population. I think like 76% are immigrants or immigrant descent.

Ah, Singapore.

The only country to be forced into independence.

Because Malays hate Chinese people.

[EastKekistan]

Being lorded over by coastal elites is the best way to bring people together.

Only when the coastal elites and Middle America share things in common like a culture or value system.

That's impossible in any rich country. I don't think it's possible even in Nigeria or Congo. Elites will never have the same value system as the masses because social views of the masses are usually much simpler and much more uniform compared to that of elites.

[Nova Cyberia]

Being lorded over by coastal elites is the best way to bring people together.

Only when the coastal elites and Middle America share things in common like a culture or value system.

Indeed.

Unfortunately, that is no longer the case. We've become far more Balkanized in recent decades.

[Nova Cyberia]

Ah, Singapore.

The only country to be forced into independence.

Because Malays hate Chinese people.

Their loss.

Singapore would be one of the richest and most prosperous parts of Malaysia had it remained.

[EastKekistan]

Only when the coastal elites and Middle America share things in common like a culture or value system.

Indeed.

Unfortunately, that is no longer the case. We've become far more Balkanized in recent decades.

You think it was possible because America was poor. Elites and people in economic and cultural centers won't ever think like people who have no outside contact.

[Bear Stearns]

Because Malays hate Chinese people.

Their loss.

Singapore would be one of the richest and most prosperous parts of Malaysia had it remained.

No they would have ruined Singapore.

[EastKekistan]

Because Malays hate Chinese people.

Their loss.

Singapore would be one of the richest and most prosperous parts of Malaysia had it remained.

Thankfully Singapore got out.

[EastKekistan]

Their loss.

Singapore would be one of the richest and most prosperous parts of Malaysia had it remained.

No they would have ruined Singapore.

Exactly.

[Bear Stearns]

Only when the coastal elites and Middle America share things in common like a culture or value system.

Indeed.

Unfortunately, that is no longer the case. We've become far more Balkanized in recent decades.

Peak unity seemed to strongly correlate with the period of when we shut off the borders from 1924 to 1965.