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Would the US be better off?

Yes
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45%
No
16
55%
 
Total votes : 29

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Old Tyrannia
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Father Knows Best State

Postby Old Tyrannia » Sat Jul 02, 2022 6:08 am

USS Monitor wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:IMO, the USA would be vastly more decisive, unified, efficient and logically governed. Much of the systematic gridlock would be gone and I could see policies like universal healthcare and effective environmental legislation being enacted.


Dunno man.... The UK still manages to be very inefficient and bad at making up its mind.

EDIT: Also, the UK is not a unitary state.

The UK is, in fact, a unitary state. At the very least, it's not a federation. Devolved bodies derive their authority from the central state, unlike members of a federal structure, whose authority is their own and cannot be revoked by the central government even in theory. The UK operates under the principle of parliamentary sovereignty, meaning that Parliament- technically speaking, the Crown-in-Parliament- can unilaterally revoke the autonomy of the developed governments at any time by means of legislation.

I think a parliamentary system would serve the US better than the current presidential system, and would probably be more in line with the Founding Fathers' (or at the very least George Washington's) conception of the president as a non-partisan figure in the model of the British monarch. Attempting to impose a unitary system on a traditionally federally organised state with significant cultural and political diversity between constituent members seems foolish to me, however. Canada or Australia would probably be a better model than the UK for the US to follow if it wished to reform its governmental structure along the lines of the Westminster parliamentary system. Might as well go all the way, though, and abolish the presidency in favour of restoring Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II to the throne of the Thirteen Colonies and their post-1783 acquisitions.
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Ethel mermania
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Jul 02, 2022 6:29 am

Heloin wrote:
Christian Confederation wrote:I'd rather join the American IRA then participate in such an insane form of government.

The Symbionese Liberation Army?

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Sordhau
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Ex-Nation

Postby Sordhau » Sat Jul 02, 2022 7:29 am

Please no.
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Christian Confederation
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Ex-Nation

Postby Christian Confederation » Sat Jul 02, 2022 1:27 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Heloin wrote:The Symbionese Liberation Army?

Ancient order of Hibernians.

I was thinking more American Republican Army
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The United Penguin Commonwealth
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Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby The United Penguin Commonwealth » Sat Jul 02, 2022 2:58 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:Please consider the following hypothetical:

Starting tomorrow, the US Constitution goes out the window


immediately, you can expect a civil war.

however, if people accepted this new system, I think it would be for the better.
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Heloin
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Ex-Nation

Postby Heloin » Sat Jul 02, 2022 3:06 pm

Christian Confederation wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Ancient order of Hibernians.

I was thinking more American Republican Army

You personally probably don’t want to make allusions to the generally left wing IRA.

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Pasong Tirad
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Pasong Tirad » Sat Jul 02, 2022 7:05 pm

Changing your system of government alone is never enough to make a country "better off."

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Christian Confederation
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Ex-Nation

Postby Christian Confederation » Sun Jul 03, 2022 2:46 am

Heloin wrote:
Christian Confederation wrote:I was thinking more American Republican Army

You personally probably don’t want to make allusions to the generally left wing IRA.

Republicanism in America is more constitutionalist then European Republicans.
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Nationalist Northumbria
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Postby Nationalist Northumbria » Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:43 am

You know who else wanted the US to adopt parliamentarism? Woodrow Wilson.
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Nimzonia
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Capitalist Paradise

Postby Nimzonia » Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:17 am

Northern Seleucia wrote:If it's like the U.K then, instead of getting shot I'll get stabbed.


The UK's knife murder rate isn't even as high as the US knife murder rate, never mind the shootings.
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