What Really Happened to MH370?

[Tsaivao]

Wow what an immense load of useless speculation and narratives.

I think that trying to redirect the cause of a terrible accident that left hundreds missing into some whimsical fantasy story is inappropriate and tacky. Can we have actual discussion of realistic theories that don't involve a plane somehow teleporting from fucking Indonesia to Ukraine?

[Echellia]

Wow what an immense load of useless speculation and narratives.

I think that trying to redirect the cause of a terrible accident that left hundreds missing into some whimsical fantasy story is inappropriate and tacky. Can we have actual discussion of realistic theories that don't involve a plane somehow teleporting from fucking Indonesia to Ukraine?

Why would it be fucking Indonesia? Is it even possible for a plane to do that to a country?

[Mathuvan Union]

Wow what an immense load of useless speculation and narratives.

I think that trying to redirect the cause of a terrible accident that left hundreds missing into some whimsical fantasy story is inappropriate and tacky. Can we have actual discussion of realistic theories that don't involve a plane somehow teleporting from fucking Indonesia to Ukraine?

It didn't teleport, it's a more complex thing that that.
it is just a list of theories, and I acknowledged at the end it was a horrible incident.
some of them are realistic, too.

[Mathuvan Union]

No, that's actually the theory. the plane supposed to go on MH370's path was the one shot down in Ukraine.

I think any reasonable person knows that theory is a load of shit.

I am a resident theorist on most crashes, so, yeah, I'll look at it, but yeah, it's a sack of shit.

[Mathuvan Union]

the way the barnacles grew on it could only have been in a temperature a lot different to the surrounding temperatures, and it was done exactly the same on each side, somethin highly unlikely in the ocean.

What does that mean? It wasn't;t from the plane?

Yes, exactly. The Indonesian Government made that 'evidence' to calm down all the tension so it would draw away criticism.

[Tsaivao]

Wow what an immense load of useless speculation and narratives.

I think that trying to redirect the cause of a terrible accident that left hundreds missing into some whimsical fantasy story is inappropriate and tacky. Can we have actual discussion of realistic theories that don't involve a plane somehow teleporting from fucking Indonesia to Ukraine?

Why would it be fucking Indonesia? Is it even possible for a plane to do that to a country?

something something rule 34 something something.

What most likely happened to the plane is probably the crack and depressurization incident. This has happened before in the past, aviation history is full of accidents and mistakes, especially depressurization incidents that kill off the crew and passengers.

But a random Malaysian airlines flight being repurposed as some kind of tool to provoke the issue in Ukraine? How does that make any sense? Both Ukraine and Russia have their own passenger planes, both of them could use literally any other plane that's not from freaking Malaysia.

[Mathuvan Union]

Why would it be fucking Indonesia? Is it even possible for a plane to do that to a country?

something something rule 34 something something.

What most likely happened to the plane is probably the crack and depressurization incident. This has happened before in the past, aviation history is full of accidents and mistakes, especially depressurization incidents that kill off the crew and passengers.

But a random Malaysian airlines flight being repurposed as some kind of tool to provoke the issue in Ukraine? How does that make any sense? Both Ukraine and Russia have their own passenger planes, both of them could use literally any other plane that's not from freaking Malaysia.

Very true point, but conspiracy theories are called theories for a reason.

[Echellia]

Why would it be fucking Indonesia? Is it even possible for a plane to do that to a country?

something something rule 34 something something.

What most likely happened to the plane is probably the crack and depressurization incident. This has happened before in the past, aviation history is full of accidents and mistakes, especially depressurization incidents that kill off the crew and passengers.

But a random Malaysian airlines flight being repurposed as some kind of tool to provoke the issue in Ukraine? How does that make any sense? Both Ukraine and Russia have their own passenger planes, both of them could use literally any other plane that's not from freaking Malaysia.

Are there any records of the plane perhaps suffering a tail strike or an unusually hard landing?

[Mathuvan Union]

something something rule 34 something something.

What most likely happened to the plane is probably the crack and depressurization incident. This has happened before in the past, aviation history is full of accidents and mistakes, especially depressurization incidents that kill off the crew and passengers.

But a random Malaysian airlines flight being repurposed as some kind of tool to provoke the issue in Ukraine? How does that make any sense? Both Ukraine and Russia have their own passenger planes, both of them could use literally any other plane that's not from freaking Malaysia.

Are there any records of the plane perhaps suffering a tail strike or an unusually hard landing?

yes, there was a strike on the tip of the wing of the aircraft on MH370, a couple months before the incident. The plane was fixed and cleared to fly a couple weeks before the incident.

[Echellia]

Are there any records of the plane perhaps suffering a tail strike or an unusually hard landing?

yes, there was a strike on the tip of the wing of the aircraft on MH370, a couple months before the incident. The plane was fixed and cleared to fly a couple weeks before the incident.

Hmmm...

[Tsaivao]

What does that mean? It wasn't;t from the plane?

Yes, exactly. The Indonesian Government made that 'evidence' to calm down all the tension so it would draw away criticism.

Are you some sort of expert on Indian Ocean barnacle growth? Do you have any possible evidence that Indonesia would have the capability and willingness to just dump a piece of a plane that has a weird barnacle growth on it? Or are we just parroting information from some source that asserts its expertise on a subject to push a conspiracy theory?

Turns out, in fact, that the world is weird. Unusual things happen all the time. "Weird barnacle growth" isn't evidence for a grand conspiracy. It could be unusual, extraordinary, but that's taking something that is observed ("the barnacle growth on this metal piece is weird") and drawing a random conclusion from it ("this must be evidence that this entire thing is manufactured evidence")

To steal from Ann Reardon, it'd be like if I said "The more firefighters that come to save your house, the higher the damage bill. Therefore, fireman cause fires." We obviously know that isn't true, but I took a true fact (more fireman = more expensive bill) and drew the wrong conclusion (firemen do not directly cause fires. Most of the time anyway)

[Mathuvan Union]

yes, there was a strike on the tip of the wing of the aircraft on MH370, a couple months before the incident. The plane was fixed and cleared to fly a couple weeks before the incident.

Hmmm...

but, on further research but several aircraft bodies, such a strike would not and could not affect the integrity of the aircraft during flight, and only minimally affect the control and stability of the plane (ie, a bit more stronger turbulence)

[Tsaivao]

something something rule 34 something something.

What most likely happened to the plane is probably the crack and depressurization incident. This has happened before in the past, aviation history is full of accidents and mistakes, especially depressurization incidents that kill off the crew and passengers.

But a random Malaysian airlines flight being repurposed as some kind of tool to provoke the issue in Ukraine? How does that make any sense? Both Ukraine and Russia have their own passenger planes, both of them could use literally any other plane that's not from freaking Malaysia.

Very true point, but conspiracy theories are called theories for a reason.

There is a huge difference between the societal definition of "theory" and the scientific definition of "theory"

One is carefully experimented with or postulated using accepted evidence and review. The other is just random spitballing. Scientific theories are more than random conspiracies that have little bearing in reality. There is a huge difference between the scientific consensus on the possibilities of what happened to the plane, and Timmy on facebook with his 5 paragraph essay on how Vladimir Putin ordered the aliens to put Israeli agents on-board the plane full of secret US equipment to land in the jungles of Cambodia so that the Queen of the Ants may feast on her meal. (I'm being a bit facetious here but my point is that a true theory is rigorous and based on provable evidence, not baseless speculation and purple prose disguised as expert opinion)

[Mathuvan Union]

Very true point, but conspiracy theories are called theories for a reason.

There is a huge difference between the societal definition of "theory" and the scientific definition of "theory"

One is carefully experimented with or postulated using accepted evidence and review. The other is just random spitballing. Scientific theories are more than random conspiracies that have little bearing in reality. There is a huge difference between the scientific consensus on the possibilities of what happened to the plane, and Timmy on facebook with his 5 paragraph essay on how Vladimir Putin ordered the aliens to put Israeli agents on-board the plane full of secret US equipment to land in the jungles of Cambodia so that the Queen of the Ants may feast on her meal. (I'm being a bit facetious here but my point is that a true theory is rigorous and based on provable evidence, not baseless speculation and purple prose disguised as expert opinion)

The theory I put forth myself that wasn't copypasta and a few others have been proven to be things that can actually happen and are pretty logical

[Rusozak]

Hmmm...

but, on further research but several aircraft bodies, such a strike would not and could not affect the integrity of the aircraft during flight, and only minimally affect the control and stability of the plane (ie, a bit more stronger turbulence)

And even if it was more severe, I would rule it out on the grounds that nothing was reported. In such situations of mechanical failure, even if the plane ultimately goes down, the pilots are usually able to get some kind of message out. I believe whatever happened either immediately destroyed the plane or incapacitated the pilots, and not many accidental phenomena can do either of those things.

If I had to bet on it, I would say it was either shot down or hijacked. Or both.

[Mathuvan Union]

but, on further research but several aircraft bodies, such a strike would not and could not affect the integrity of the aircraft during flight, and only minimally affect the control and stability of the plane (ie, a bit more stronger turbulence)

And even if it was more severe, I would rule it out on the grounds that nothing was reported. In such situations of mechanical failure, even if the plane ultimately goes down, the pilots are usually able to get some kind of message out. I believe whatever happened either immediately destroyed the plane or incapacitated the pilots, and not many accidental phenomena can do either of those things.

If I had to bet on it, I would say it was either shot down or hijacked. Or both.

that's what I'm going with. the technology was hacked and therefore hijacked and directed the plan to a unknown location in south indian ocean. this caused the flight path to go off before dropping off radar.

[Tsaivao]

There is a huge difference between the societal definition of "theory" and the scientific definition of "theory"

One is carefully experimented with or postulated using accepted evidence and review. The other is just random spitballing. Scientific theories are more than random conspiracies that have little bearing in reality. There is a huge difference between the scientific consensus on the possibilities of what happened to the plane, and Timmy on facebook with his 5 paragraph essay on how Vladimir Putin ordered the aliens to put Israeli agents on-board the plane full of secret US equipment to land in the jungles of Cambodia so that the Queen of the Ants may feast on her meal. (I'm being a bit facetious here but my point is that a true theory is rigorous and based on provable evidence, not baseless speculation and purple prose disguised as expert opinion)

The theory I put forth myself that wasn't copypasta and a few others have been proven to be things that can actually happen and are pretty logical

You claim:

First off, I believe that the mysterious extra 89 kilos of cargo where secret US government information, leading the US to have to do something about it so it didn't fall into the hands of the Chinese. This forced the US government to hack the plane and redirect it to a secret military base in the Indian Ocean (coincidentally, one does exist there). Several tribesman of a island near (about 700 miles from the military base) the base claimed to have seen the plane, so close they could make out the doors, and bullet holes. The plane lands in the base, and everything including the passengers are captured, and to this day, it remains that way. There's a reason reporters haven't gotten access to it since then.

First off, the place you are referring to is called Diego Garcia, it's a small atoll south of the Maldives in the Chalgos Archipelago, still a few hundred miles away from the last known location of MH370 (in the wrong direction the plane was last heading). It's not some secret US military installation, but it is important for USAF activities in the Middle East. The only thing really secret about it is that it's a USAF base, which really are only secretive in critical areas on the base (i.e. the hangar bays and armories, because you know, there's top military aircraft stationed inside them).

Now, the rest of your claim seems like it's made to support the narrative here, like everything conveniently has a connection. What evidence do you have that the eyewitness accounts are verifiable when the islands in the archipelago are all pretty far apart from one other? Or that there are no islands between the last known location of MH370 and Diego Garcia? Or, more pressingly, that the United States would literally have zero reason to capture a bunch of random citizens of a bunch of different countries just because they happened to be on the wrong plane?

Just because you CAN see there's a connection or a ""theory"" here doesn't mean that there is one.

[Mathuvan Union]

The theory I put forth myself that wasn't copypasta and a few others have been proven to be things that can actually happen and are pretty logical

You claim:

First off, I believe that the mysterious extra 89 kilos of cargo where secret US government information, leading the US to have to do something about it so it didn't fall into the hands of the Chinese. This forced the US government to hack the plane and redirect it to a secret military base in the Indian Ocean (coincidentally, one does exist there). Several tribesman of a island near (about 700 miles from the military base) the base claimed to have seen the plane, so close they could make out the doors, and bullet holes. The plane lands in the base, and everything including the passengers are captured, and to this day, it remains that way. There's a reason reporters haven't gotten access to it since then.

First off, the place you are referring to is called Diego Garcia, it's a small atoll south of the Maldives in the Chalgos Archipelago, still a few hundred miles away from the last known location of MH370 (in the wrong direction the plane was last heading). It's not some secret US military installation, but it is important for USAF activities in the Middle East. The only thing really secret about it is that it's a USAF base, which really are only secretive in critical areas on the base (i.e. the hangar bays and armories, because you know, there's top military aircraft stationed inside them).

Now, the rest of your claim seems like it's made to support the narrative here, like everything conveniently has a connection. What evidence do you have that the eyewitness accounts are verifiable when the islands in the archipelago are all pretty far apart from one other? Or that there are no islands between the last known location of MH370 and Diego Garcia? Or, more pressingly, that the United States would literally have zero reason to capture a bunch of random citizens of a bunch of different countries just because they happened to be on the wrong plane?

Just because you CAN see there's a connection or a ""theory"" here doesn't mean that there is one.

there are no known islands between the last known location of MH370 and Diego Garcia, the island I was talking about (name I do not know) is roughly 700 miles away from Diego Garcia.
The Passengers were just an addition, because, as we don't know what was in that 89 kilos of cargo, I am presuming is incriminating evidence about the US, warranting the shoot down.
that is the only part of it that I cannot verify nor can I find any sources saying otherwise.
I would like to note that I am not the only one who supports this claim, several people I know personally and several others of whom I have read their articles and podcasts on this topic. There is a lot of evidence proving my theory, and a lot of evidence saying that MH370 didn't vanish. shit happened.
I am trying to be opened minded here, but I am stating facts

[CoraSpia]

My personal theory about what happened was that Daniel Gauss, one of the passengers, decided to open his southern-style bbq ribs business from the economy-class cabin. After knocking away 4 seats and a young family of Vietnamese tourists, he set up his smoker and got to work. Unfortunately, the smoker fell over and burning coals fell over the floor of the cabin, causing frightened passengers to stampede towards available exits and the cockpit doors. Such a large crush of people overloaded the doors and passengers ran in in an uncontrolled mob, crushing the pilot and co-pilot into the controls and leading to their untimely deaths. Therefore, the plane began an uncontrolled dive, smashing down into the ocean; the only survivor was Daniel Gauss who to this day can be found providing short ribs and pulled pork to the hungry residents of an isolated indian ocean island.

[Mathuvan Union]

My personal theory about what happened was that Daniel Gauss, one of the passengers, decided to open his southern-style bbq ribs business from the economy-class cabin. After knocking away 4 seats and a young family of Vietnamese tourists, he set up his smoker and got to work. Unfortunately, the smoker fell over and burning coals fell over the floor of the cabin, causing frightened passengers to stampede towards available exits and the cockpit doors. Such a large crush of people overloaded the doors and passengers ran in in an uncontrolled mob, crushing the pilot and co-pilot into the controls and leading to their untimely deaths. Therefore, the plane began an uncontrolled dive, smashing down into the ocean; the only survivor was Daniel Gauss who to this day can be found providing short ribs and pulled pork to the hungry residents of an isolated indian ocean island.

violent, violent theory.

[Tsaivao]

You claim:


First off, the place you are referring to is called Diego Garcia, it's a small atoll south of the Maldives in the Chalgos Archipelago, still a few hundred miles away from the last known location of MH370 (in the wrong direction the plane was last heading). It's not some secret US military installation, but it is important for USAF activities in the Middle East. The only thing really secret about it is that it's a USAF base, which really are only secretive in critical areas on the base (i.e. the hangar bays and armories, because you know, there's top military aircraft stationed inside them).

Now, the rest of your claim seems like it's made to support the narrative here, like everything conveniently has a connection. What evidence do you have that the eyewitness accounts are verifiable when the islands in the archipelago are all pretty far apart from one other? Or that there are no islands between the last known location of MH370 and Diego Garcia? Or, more pressingly, that the United States would literally have zero reason to capture a bunch of random citizens of a bunch of different countries just because they happened to be on the wrong plane?

Just because you CAN see there's a connection or a ""theory"" here doesn't mean that there is one.

there are no known islands between the last known location of MH370 and Diego Garcia, the island I was talking about (name I do not know) is roughly 700 miles away from Diego Garcia.
The Passengers were just an addition, because, as we don't know what was in that 89 kilos of cargo, I am presuming is incriminating evidence about the US, warranting the shoot down.
that is the only part of it that I cannot verify nor can I find any sources saying otherwise.
I would like to note that I am not the only one who supports this claim, several people I know personally and several others of whom I have read their articles and podcasts on this topic. There is a lot of evidence proving my theory, and a lot of evidence saying that MH370 didn't vanish. shit happened.
I am trying to be opened minded here, but I am stating facts

Then show me that evidence, let's see some sources instead of vapid claims.

There are two islands that are in the general vicinity of MH370's last known location, neither of which is housing US military personnel, or has ever housed US military personnel. The first is Christmas Island, and the second is the Chocos Isles, where only ~600 people live while the rest of the islands are uninhabited.

And again, you have no evidence that the United States had 89 kilos of files on-board. That detail is completely made up to support the rest of the theory, like a house of cards.

If there were a hijacker on-board, why didn't they squawk 7500? It takes half a second to shift the transponder to squawk 7500, literally takes just a couple button presses, so why didn't that occur?

Open-mindedness can be a cover for gullibility if left unchecked. Critically analyze the "theory" from a logical standpoint. Would the United States have executed hackers to hack into a random malaysian airlines flight to send it to a random military base that no one knows about just because you make a convenient claim that "those 89 kilos of things have to be files and not, ya know, an airport worker's incompetence or oversight." If you're stating facts as you claim, then state facts, not stories.

[Albrenia]

People believe the strangest rubbish sometimes.

Keep in mind that real people died in this event, so please try not to use it for space wizard fantasies. Seems a bit disrespectful.

[Mathuvan Union]

there are no known islands between the last known location of MH370 and Diego Garcia, the island I was talking about (name I do not know) is roughly 700 miles away from Diego Garcia.
The Passengers were just an addition, because, as we don't know what was in that 89 kilos of cargo, I am presuming is incriminating evidence about the US, warranting the shoot down.
that is the only part of it that I cannot verify nor can I find any sources saying otherwise.
I would like to note that I am not the only one who supports this claim, several people I know personally and several others of whom I have read their articles and podcasts on this topic. There is a lot of evidence proving my theory, and a lot of evidence saying that MH370 didn't vanish. shit happened.
I am trying to be opened minded here, but I am stating facts

Then show me that evidence, let's see some sources instead of vapid claims.

There are two islands that are in the general vicinity of MH370's last known location, neither of which is housing US military personnel, or has ever housed US military personnel. The first is Christmas Island, and the second is the Chocos Isles, where only ~600 people live while the rest of the islands are uninhabited.

And again, you have no evidence that the United States had 89 kilos of files on-board. That detail is completely made up to support the rest of the theory, like a house of cards.

If there were a hijacker on-board, why didn't they squawk 7500? It takes half a second to shift the transponder to squawk 7500, literally takes just a couple button presses, so why didn't that occur?

Open-mindedness can be a cover for gullibility if left unchecked. Critically analyze the "theory" from a logical standpoint. Would the United States have executed hackers to hack into a random malaysian airlines flight to send it to a random military base that no one knows about just because you make a convenient claim that "those 89 kilos of things have to be files and not, ya know, an airport worker's incompetence or oversight." If you're stating facts as you claim, then state facts, not stories.

for the evidence towards the unmarked cargo, we don't know what it was. It could have been anything. but it is the only matching piece that gives reasoning.
The hijacking was not you're 9/11 styled hijacking, that is too basic and too easily overridden. It was a cyber hijacking of the electronic equipment on the on the plane by the United States Government.

[Tsaivao]

It was a cyber hijacking of the electronic equipment on the on the plane by the United States Government.

Again, where is the evidence for this claim. Do you have a packet sniffer that was active on the plane at the time? Are you aware of some control signal that was sent to the bird to provide telemetry with a United States control point somewhere? Do you have any motivation for the US military to authorize and execute such an action (that isn't based off a guess)?

How can people say something with such confidence when they don't have anything to support it?

[Mathuvan Union]

It was a cyber hijacking of the electronic equipment on the on the plane by the United States Government.

Again, where is the evidence for this claim. Do you have a packet sniffer that was active on the plane at the time? Are you aware of some control signal that was sent to the bird to provide telemetry with a United States control point somewhere? Do you have any motivation for the US military to authorize and execute such an action (that isn't based off a guess)?

How can people say something with such confidence when they don't have anything to support it?

The CIA did it.
I don't say it with such confidence, it could help if you weren't so fucking condescending . this is only my theory. you are free to create your own. So if you insist on specifically targeting a theory that I support, yet not others, get out of this thread.