Capital Punishment: 「Yes or No?」

[Necroghastia]

Capital punishment isn't the right term for judicial killing. The death penalty is proper, since it is the forfeiture of life for taking life in vain.
Neither is the death penalty 'vengeance'. The satisfaction that society feels when a criminal is executed is due to the fulfilment of justice.

As long as the death penalty exists, there will be those who are executed yet innocent of the crimes for which they are accused. You call that justice? You call that proper?

[Disgraces]

Capital punishment isn't the right term for judicial killing. The death penalty is proper, since it is the forfeiture of life for taking life in vain.
Neither is the death penalty 'vengeance'. The satisfaction that society feels when a criminal is executed is due to the fulfilment of justice.

As long as the death penalty exists, there will be those who are executed yet innocent of the crimes for which they are accused. You call that justice? You call that proper?

That's not the fault of the death penalty now is it?

[The Unified Missourtama States]

You can let someone out of prison, but you can't unkill them.

[Sanghyeok]

You can let someone out of prison, but you can't unkill them.

A very, very good point.

[State of Turelisa]

If you killed someone, then you are effectively painlessly/ painfully killing them, resulting in pain for no more than say half an hour. Is this really punishment, or should you jail the worst offenders for life?

The long drop method of hanging is quick. The neck is broken, and the condemned is unconscious within a second.

[Disgraces]

If you killed someone, then you are effectively painlessly/ painfully killing them, resulting in pain for no more than say half an hour. Is this really punishment, or should you jail the worst offenders for life?

The long drop method of hanging is quick. The neck is broken, and the condemned is unconscious within a second.

And the people get to spectate!

[Socialist States of Ludistan]

I don’t believe we should have capital punishment, just my personal opinion.

[Necroghastia]

As long as the death penalty exists, there will be those who are executed yet innocent of the crimes for which they are accused. You call that justice? You call that proper?

That's not the fault of the death penalty now is it?

As much as a concept can have a fault, yes.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Killing people is bad and to be avoided wherever possible.

Pretty much this. Capital punishment is just pointless vengeance IMO, the only time I see killing another as a necessity is in situations of self-defense.

[Disgraces]

That's not the fault of the death penalty now is it?

As much as a concept can have a fault, yes.

How is it the fault of the punishment that an innocent person got sentenced to death, and not the fault of whoever gave him the punishment?

[Cordel One]

I support it in the case of serial killings, war crimes, slavery, and other such atrocities.

[Necroghastia]

As much as a concept can have a fault, yes.

How is it the fault of the punishment that an innocent person got sentenced to death, and not the fault of whoever gave him the punishment?

Its mere existence.

[Disgraces]

How is it the fault of the punishment that an innocent person got sentenced to death, and not the fault of whoever gave him the punishment?

Its mere existence.

You must be joking.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

The duty of a state should be to protect its citizens, not kill them. The state can always imprison someone to protect other citizens from them, there is no need to kill their own people.

[Necroghastia]

Its mere existence.

You must be joking.

An innocent would not be subject to execution were that not an option in the first place.

[Disgraces]

You must be joking.

An innocent would not be subject to execution were that not an option in the first place.

An innocent would not be subject to execution were the judicial system to work correctly.

[Sanghyeok]

The problem with the judicial system in almost all if not all countries is that it is not working properly. It unequally favours those of certain race, class, and religion depending on region.

[Nuroblav]

My opposition to the death penalty is more of a humane issue, but are you arguing that the problem is giving too many powers to the state? If so, would you argue that a non-state entity should be able to have a policy of capital punishment.

My problem with it is more a humane issue - it was just that Ifreann had summed it up well so I only the need quote it and add another point onto it. But yes, that is another problem I have with it (along with ineffectiveness).

But to answer your question, I'd still say no, main reason being that it still tends to be coercive, with or without state.

[The Unified Missourtama States]

An innocent would not be subject to execution were that not an option in the first place.

An innocent would not be subject to execution were the judicial system to work correctly.

The justices may be working fine, but even so, people are sometimes falsely convicted on only circumstantial evidence.

[The New California Republic]

No.

[Novus America]

The long drop method of hanging is quick. The neck is broken, and the condemned is unconscious within a second.

And the people get to spectate!

Not necessarily, long drop hanging was often done is a special enclosed building on the prison years, and thus not necessarily publicly visible.

[Novus America]

An innocent would not be subject to execution were the judicial system to work correctly.

The justices may be working fine, but even so, people are sometimes falsely convicted on only circumstantial evidence.

Yes, but this can be addressed by requiring a higher standard of proof for the death penalty.

You could say although regular convictions might require guilt beyond all reasonable doubt, the death penalty can only apply beyond the shadow of the doubt, such as in case where the defendant does not even dispute they did the act.

Or cases such as escaping prison after being convicted of murder.

You can keep a high enough standard for death penalty case to address this concern.

[Novus America]

My opposition to the death penalty is more of a humane issue, but are you arguing that the problem is giving too many powers to the state? If so, would you argue that a non-state entity should be able to have a policy of capital punishment.

My problem with it is more a humane issue - it was just that Ifreann had summed it up well so I only the need quote it and add another point onto it. But yes, that is another problem I have with it (along with ineffectiveness).

But to answer your question, I'd still say no, main reason being that it still tends to be coercive, with or without state.

It is not ineffective is your base it on the incapacitation model if criminal justice. It is 100% effective against the executed person committing subsequent crimes.

That is the best justification for it. Some people continue to commit crimes while in prison, direct terrorist organizations and gangs while in prison, attack other prisoners and guards, repeatedly attempt escape, etc, and thus cannot be safely and humanely adequately incapacitated without the death penalty.

[The New California Republic]

If you killed someone, then you are effectively painlessly/ painfully killing them, resulting in pain for no more than say half an hour. Is this really punishment, or should you jail the worst offenders for life?

The long drop method of hanging is quick. The neck is broken, and the condemned is unconscious within a second.

Unless there is a mistake or miscalculation which is easy to do, in which case the long drop method will result in the person being decapitated; so don't make it sound so simple and clean.

[Disgraces]

The long drop method of hanging is quick. The neck is broken, and the condemned is unconscious within a second.

Unless there is a mistake or miscalculation which is easy to do, in which case the long drop method will result in the person being decapitated; so don't make it sound so simple and clean.

Still a quick death