Discussion on White Nationalism

[Meryuma]

Because there's no such thing, objectively, as white people, for one thing.

That's funny.

Because oppressing people because of their race is bad, for another.

Who are you? I've learned that to really understand what someone has written, you have to know the author. Whatever the reason you think that white nationalism is about oppressing people because of their race probably explains why you state that there is no such thing as white people.

1. "That's funny" isn't an argument. Tell me, what do white people have in common?
2. Kicking people out of places for not being white. Not allowing people to have sex because they're different races. These things are oppressive. That's not why I think white people don't exist, though.

[Grave_n_idle]

OK. So you guys are bashing white nationalists. I have to stand up for myself as a white nationalist here. For anyone opposing white nationalism I first have to ask who are you and why do you oppose it?

I oppose it because it's a nonsense. The genetic differences within one 'race' are greater than the genetic differences between the averages of any two 'races', so there's no scientific reason to embrace it.

Which leaves us with the 'cultural identity' argument, which fails for me because I don't think there's a white hivemind. I differ from many people with the same colour of skin as me, in some quite profound ways - as does just about everyone else. Indeed, arguably the ONLY thing we all have in common, is the colour of our skin, which was not our choice, and is a remarkably shallow and cosmetic factor.

[Cosmopoles]

Race is not skin color. If you like, lets just look at the materialistic part of race. How is it that an anthropologist can determine the race of person from their skeleton long after their flesh has rotted away?

Given that modern anthropologists don't recognise the concept of 'race' I'm wondering how exactly they can detemrine what they don't recognise from a skeleton.

[Shinjitai]

It's very bad. I dislike white nationalists, there is no point of racism
Your car is Japanese. Your beer is German. Your wine is Spanish. Your democracy is Greek. Your coffee is Colombian. Your tea is Chinese. Your watch is Swiss. Your fashion is French. Your shirt is Indian. Your shoes are Thai. Your radio is Korean. Your vodka is Russian.
Yet you think that whites are the best race?

[Zanarkenisia]

Meh, he has a point, there are very clear cut difference between people but it exponentially less definite as you get deeper. We are mostly the same.

No, he really doesn't.

But the idea that differences are only sking deep is nonsense. If differences were only skin deep then a bit of forensic science would be unapplicable. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_8nbLpgLwwi8/S ... blog1S.jpg You are 95% right however.

[Gauthier]

Because Apartheid South Africa shows just how harmonious and wonderful white nationalism can be.

[Zanarkenisia]

Race is not skin color. If you like, lets just look at the materialistic part of race. How is it that an anthropologist can determine the race of person from their skeleton long after their flesh has rotted away?

Given that modern anthropologists don't recognise the concept of 'race' I'm wondering how exactly they can detemrine what they don't recognise from a skeleton.

If that was the then this field wouldn't exist. Forensic anthropometry
Further information: Forensic anthropology and Anthropological criminology

Forensic anthropologists study the human skeleton in a legal setting. A forensic anthropologist can assist in the identification of a decedent through various skeletal analyses that produce a biological profile. Forensic anthropologists utilize the Fordisc program to help in the interpretation of craniofacial measurements in regards to ancestry/race determination.

One part of a biological profile is a person's racial/ancestral affinity. People with considerable European ancestry generally have relatively no prognathism; a relatively small face; a narrow, tear-shaped nasal cavity; a "silled" nasal aperture; tower-shaped nasal bones; a triangular-shaped palate; and an angular and sloping eye orbit shape. People with considerable African ancestry typically have a broad and round nasal cavity; no dam or nasal sill; Quonset hut-shaped nasal bones; notable facial projection in the jaw and mouth area (prognathism); a rectangular-shaped palate; and a square or rectangular eye orbit shape. People with considerable East Asian ancestry are often characterized by a relatively small prognathism; no nasal sill or dam; an oval-shaped nasal cavity; tent-shaped nasal bones; a horseshoe-shaped palate; and a rounded and non-sloping eye orbit shape.[4] Many of these characteristics are only a matter of frequency among particular races: their presence or absence of one or more does not automatically classify an individual into a racial group. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropometry

[Blazedtown]

It's very bad. I dislike white nationalists, there is no point of racism
Your car is Japanese. Your beer is German. Your wine is Spanish. Your democracy is Greek. Your coffee is Colombian. Your tea is Chinese. Your watch is Swiss. Your fashion is French. Your shirt is Indian. Your shoes are Thai. Your radio is Korean. Your vodka is Russian.
Yet you think that whites are the best race?

Germans, Spanish, Greeks, Swiss, French and Russians are all white. Great argument.

[Alyakia]

It's very bad. I dislike white nationalists, there is no point of racism
Your car is Japanese. Your beer is German. Your wine is Spanish. Your democracy is Greek. Your coffee is Colombian. Your tea is Chinese. Your watch is Swiss. Your fashion is French. Your shirt is Indian. Your shoes are Thai. Your radio is Korean. Your vodka is Russian.
Yet you think that whites are the best race?

Germans, Spanish, Greeks, Swiss, French and Russians are all white. Great argument.

Or at the very least, we like them enough to give them a pass.

[Meryuma]

It's very bad. I dislike white nationalists, there is no point of racism
Your car is Japanese. Your beer is German. Your wine is Spanish. Your democracy is Greek. Your coffee is Colombian. Your tea is Chinese. Your watch is Swiss. Your fashion is French. Your shirt is Indian. Your shoes are Thai. Your radio is Korean. Your vodka is Russian.
Yet you think that whites are the best race?

Germans, Spanish, Greeks, Swiss, French and Russians are all white. Great argument.

Greeks can be pretty dark-skinned.

[The Irish Marchlands]

I'm not a white nationalist.

I am, however, an Irish Nationalist, and dont give a damn about other caucasian ethnicities. White skinned or otherwise. Why should I? I share nothing in common with them outside of skin colour and MAYBE religion, in which case our shared identities would have nothing to do with race at all, but rather something higher.

[The Irish Marchlands]

Germans, Spanish, Greeks, Swiss, French and Russians are all white. Great argument.

Greeks can be pretty dark-skinned.

Yes they can, so can Arabs. Both are still technically caucasian.

[Fnordgasm 5]

I'm not a white nationalist.

I am, however, an Irish Nationalist, and dont give a damn about other caucasian ethnicities. White skinned or otherwise. Why should I? I share nothing in common with them outside of skin colour and MAYBE religion, in which case our shared identities would have nothing to do with race at all, but rather something higher.

Only skin colour?


But what about total number of limbs?

[The Irish Marchlands]

I'm not a white nationalist.

I am, however, an Irish Nationalist, and dont give a damn about other caucasian ethnicities. White skinned or otherwise. Why should I? I share nothing in common with them outside of skin colour and MAYBE religion, in which case our shared identities would have nothing to do with race at all, but rather something higher.

Only skin colour?


But what about total number of limbs?

If we're going into that depth then we arent talking about 'race' and more talking about 'species'. Which is really only relevant in discussion about the Human species as a whole in comparison to other species.

[Cosmopoles]

If that was the then this field wouldn't exist. Forensic anthropometry
Further information: Forensic anthropology and Anthropological criminology

Forensic anthropologists study the human skeleton in a legal setting. A forensic anthropologist can assist in the identification of a decedent through various skeletal analyses that produce a biological profile. Forensic anthropologists utilize the Fordisc program to help in the interpretation of craniofacial measurements in regards to ancestry/race determination.

One part of a biological profile is a person's racial/ancestral affinity. People with considerable European ancestry generally have relatively no prognathism; a relatively small face; a narrow, tear-shaped nasal cavity; a "silled" nasal aperture; tower-shaped nasal bones; a triangular-shaped palate; and an angular and sloping eye orbit shape. People with considerable African ancestry typically have a broad and round nasal cavity; no dam or nasal sill; Quonset hut-shaped nasal bones; notable facial projection in the jaw and mouth area (prognathism); a rectangular-shaped palate; and a square or rectangular eye orbit shape. People with considerable East Asian ancestry are often characterized by a relatively small prognathism; no nasal sill or dam; an oval-shaped nasal cavity; tent-shaped nasal bones; a horseshoe-shaped palate; and a rounded and non-sloping eye orbit shape.[4] Many of these characteristics are only a matter of frequency among particular races: their presence or absence of one or more does not automatically classify an individual into a racial group. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropometry

The use of anthropometry to define race has been throughly discredited. You might as well feel for bumps on someone's head to work out their personality.

[Shinjitai]

It's very bad. I dislike white nationalists, there is no point of racism
Your car is Japanese. Your beer is German. Your wine is Spanish. Your democracy is Greek. Your coffee is Colombian. Your tea is Chinese. Your watch is Swiss. Your fashion is French. Your shirt is Indian. Your shoes are Thai. Your radio is Korean. Your vodka is Russian.
Yet you think that whites are the best race?

Germans, Spanish, Greeks, Swiss, French and Russians are all white. Great argument.

Thai can be dark, Indian is not white, Chinese is not really white, Greeks can be quite dark, Spanish can be quite dark, Geeeze

[Cosmopoles]

Germans, Spanish, Greeks, Swiss, French and Russians are all white. Great argument.

A German
A Frenchman

[New East Ireland]

I'm opposed to it because I believe every person is equal, no matter what their race or culture or religion is.

[Fnordgasm 5]

Only skin colour?


But what about total number of limbs?

If we're going into that depth then we arent talking about 'race' and more talking about 'species'. Which is really only relevant in discussion about the Human species as a whole in comparison to other species.

So what your saying is apart from being part of humanity and therefore being the same species as these other races you have nothing in common?

So your social structures, technologies and cultures are entirely dissimilar? You share no ancestry or history of anybody outside your race? Your race is entirely unique and isolated from the whole of humanity?

[The Irish Marchlands]

If we're going into that depth then we arent talking about 'race' and more talking about 'species'. Which is really only relevant in discussion about the Human species as a whole in comparison to other species.

So what your saying is apart from being part of humanity and therefore being the same species as these other races you have nothing in common?

So your social structures, technologies and cultures are entirely dissimilar? You share no ancestry or history of anybody outside your race? Your race is entirely unique and isolated from the whole of humanity?

Yes. That is exactly what I am saying and I am not, of course, using the common understanding of racial ethnicities when I am saying I dont share much in common with other caucasian and doing so in complete and total ignorence of history and influence on my culture just to be an uneducated twat. You are completely correct, good show sir!

[Steel and Fire]

I disapprove of white nationalists because of their stance on race mixing. They argue that it's wrong and unnatural or whatever, whereas (IIRC) it's actually of genetic benefit. It's the opposite of race mixing (i.e. too much blood purity) that leads to a higher chance of deformities and whatnot. Look at all those inbred royal families.

Also I suppose there's psychological detritus from the fact that the last white nationalist government invaded most of Europe and murdered a bunch of people and was headed by a guy with only one testicle.

[Gauthier]

I disapprove of white nationalists because of their stance on race mixing. They argue that it's wrong and unnatural or whatever, whereas (IIRC) it's actually of genetic benefit. It's the opposite of race mixing (i.e. too much blood purity) that leads to a higher chance of deformities and whatnot. Look at all those inbred royal families.

Also I suppose there's psychological detritus from the fact that the last white nationalist government invaded most of Europe and murdered a bunch of people and was headed by a guy with only one testicle.

Homogenization is also a bad thing. The reason the Irish immigrated in droves to America was that their potato crop was so homogenized a strain of potato blight wiped out the whole crop practically.

[Ashmoria]

OK. So you guys are bashing white nationalists. I have to stand up for myself as a white nationalist here. For anyone opposing white nationalism I first have to ask who are you and why do you oppose it?

what are you proposing for the "national" part?

[Steel and Fire]

I disapprove of white nationalists because of their stance on race mixing. They argue that it's wrong and unnatural or whatever, whereas (IIRC) it's actually of genetic benefit. It's the opposite of race mixing (i.e. too much blood purity) that leads to a higher chance of deformities and whatnot. Look at all those inbred royal families.

Also I suppose there's psychological detritus from the fact that the last white nationalist government invaded most of Europe and murdered a bunch of people and was headed by a guy with only one testicle.

Homogenization is also a bad thing. The reason the Irish immigrated in droves to America was that their potato crop was so homogenized a strain of potato blight wiped out the whole crop practically.

But humans are not potatoes.

Which is a shame, because if we could grow more eyes by sitting on top of the refrigerator for a few days, I'd totally be down for that.

Reasonable point, still.

[Blazedtown]

Germans, Spanish, Greeks, Swiss, French and Russians are all white. Great argument.

A German
A Frenchman

Those are black people.