The Problem With Alcohol

[Kronotide]

I don't understand why someone would gatekeep those types of jobs just because the people wanting to do them are doing them for personal reasons. These people are still helping others in this job, even if its not selfless.

[The Holy Therns]

That may have been the effect but helping others was never once a motive for being a firefighter. I was doing it for the thrill. So why does that matter? In either case, risk of harm was irrelevant to me.

If I want to poison myself for a good time, so be it. You really can't stop me, even with surveillance.

You did for your own personal gain instead of to help? Do you not care about people's lives? A firefighter who does not care about other's or even their own life should not be a firefighter.

Why does the motivation matter more than the function?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

You want people to stop being firefighters now too?

No, I just feel that people who are firefighters should do it to SAVE PEOPLE'S LIVES.

Your outlook is rather idealistic. And so so silly. People do jobs for all kinds of reasons. My husband’s ex liked to be an EMT for the thrill. Not for saving lives. And there’s nothing wrong with that. The job is getting done. Stop trying to tell people how and why they must do the jobs they do.

[Neanderthaland]

I don't understand why someone would gatekeep those types of jobs just because the people wanting to do them are doing them for personal reasons. These people are still helping others in this job, even if its not selfless.

To quote a probably spurious line from Dr. Alfred Blalock, "You have to be an arrogant son of a bitch to lay your hands on a human heart."

Good people don't always make good surgeons.

[Luminesa]

I was 19 and in undergrad. I was absolutely desperate for a buzz since I didn't have a fake ID good enough to pass at a liquor store, but I wasn't addicted. Just a teenager.

People drink shitty booze because they like to be buzzed. It's fun to be impaired. That's not an addiction.

And getting buzzed by booze gets you close to death. How is something important enough that you'll break the law just so you can get a swig of poison? That seems like a bigger problem than you realize.

No sir, getting buzzed by alcohol makes you very aggressive at UNO with your friends.

[Kronotide]

Again, I think the problem here isn't alcoholics or alcohol. Its lack of education on what Alcohol actually does to the body and how it affects different people. Outright banning Alcohol should never be considered, maybe more regulations? Definitely programs to help those who do have an issue with it. But we shouldn't be making these types of choices for other people, even if we may disagree with it.

[Kernen]

You want people to stop being firefighters now too?

No, I just feel that people who are firefighters should do it to SAVE PEOPLE'S LIVES.

Why? I can haul a hydraulic cutter or an attack line as well as anybody else. Why I do it shouldn't be relevant, only that I do it competently.

I'm also a lawyer expressly because it's a profitable use of my skill. I don't do it because I care about justice.

[Techocracy101010]

No, I just feel that people who are firefighters should do it to SAVE PEOPLE'S LIVES.

Why? I can haul a hydraulic cutter or an attack line as well as anybody else. Why I do it shouldn't be relevant, only that I do it competently.

I'm also a lawyer expressly because it's a profitable use of my skill. I don't do it because I care about justice.

interior vs exterior attack . Laying line down is fun . Big trucks go vroom like we need to get floofy on a crew to see how fun it is.

[Tatar Realm]

You want people to stop being firefighters now too?

No, I just feel that people who are firefighters should do it to SAVE PEOPLE'S LIVES.

In the same vein of logic then, Abraham Lincoln should not have then emancipated the slaves, eh? Because you do realize he did so first and foremost to "save the union", not because he was some ultra-progressive abolitionist. He may have had sympathies, but that's still not the driving force behind why the slaves were freed. So, should Old Honest Abe not have freed the slaves because that wasn't his primary goal, or should have he freed the slaves, regardless of his intentions? Same thing with EMTs, Firefighters, etc. saving peoples' lives. Maybe they do it for thrill seeking. Maybe they do it to save lives. Maybe both. Maybe neither. The end result is the same if they're doing the work that ultimately saves lives. I understand you want people's intentions to be pure and transparent Floofy, but that's just not the reality that can always be, and more often than not, it's not the one that is.

[Kernen]

Why? I can haul a hydraulic cutter or an attack line as well as anybody else. Why I do it shouldn't be relevant, only that I do it competently.

I'm also a lawyer expressly because it's a profitable use of my skill. I don't do it because I care about justice.

interior vs exterior attack . Laying line down is fun . Big trucks go vroom like we need to get floofy on a crew to see how fun it is.

Interior was a blast. Exterior was alright.

Floofy doesn't strike me as somebody who enjoys fun. Or hard work.

[Techocracy101010]

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[Shazbotdom]

I was 19 and in undergrad. I was absolutely desperate for a buzz since I didn't have a fake ID good enough to pass at a liquor store, but I wasn't addicted. Just a teenager.

People drink shitty booze because they like to be buzzed. It's fun to be impaired. That's not an addiction.

And getting buzzed by booze gets you close to death. How is something important enough that you'll break the law just so you can get a swig of poison? That seems like a bigger problem than you realize.

And in a few years there will be another study to debunk that study.

The point is, your Authoritarianism shouldn't exit anywhere.

[Glamour]

That may have been the effect but helping others was never once a motive for being a firefighter. I was doing it for the thrill. So why does that matter? In either case, risk of harm was irrelevant to me.

If I want to poison myself for a good time, so be it. You really can't stop me, even with surveillance.

You did for your own personal gain instead of to help? Do you not care about people's lives? A firefighter who does not care about other's or even their own life should not be a firefighter.

I might be desperate to save people’s lives and become a paramedic, and be such an incompetent ambulance driver that I cause a pile-up and kill many people.

They say that psychopaths make very effective surgeons because they are emotionally detached from the act of slicing up another human body and they want the reputation of being effective surgeons.

Somebody like you who was a surgeon would need weeks off work on account of being traumatised every time you killed someone on the operating table.

[Kernen]

You did for your own personal gain instead of to help? Do you not care about people's lives? A firefighter who does not care about other's or even their own life should not be a firefighter.

I might be desperate to save people’s lives and become a paramedic, and be such an incompetent ambulance driver that I cause a pile-up and kill many people.

They say that psychopaths make very effective surgeons because they are emotionally detached from the act of slicing up another human body and they want the reputation of being effective surgeons.

Somebody like you who was a surgeon would need weeks off work on account of being traumatised every time you killed someone on the operating table.

It's probably not worth the effort. Floof has not indicated any desire to appreciate why people would disagree with them on motive.

[Portzania]

You did for your own personal gain instead of to help? Do you not care about people's lives? A firefighter who does not care about other's or even their own life should not be a firefighter.

Not what they said, they're saying they do it to help, and for the thrill and action.

[Kernen]

You did for your own personal gain instead of to help? Do you not care about people's lives? A firefighter who does not care about other's or even their own life should not be a firefighter.

Not what they said, they're saying they do it to help, and for the thrill and action.

No I did it for the thrill. Helping people wasn't a point for or against.

[Portzania]

Not what they said, they're saying they do it to help, and for the thrill and action.

No I did it for the thrill. Helping people wasn't a point for or against.

And you know what, that's fair also, you can do something for the thrill, but you're still doing a good thing in your seek of entertainment.

[Techocracy101010]

You did for your own personal gain instead of to help? Do you not care about people's lives? A firefighter who does not care about other's or even their own life should not be a firefighter.

I might be desperate to save people’s lives and become a paramedic, and be such an incompetent ambulance driver that I cause a pile-up and kill many people.

They say that psychopaths make very effective surgeons because they are emotionally detached from the act of slicing up another human body and they want the reputation of being effective surgeons.

Somebody like you who was a surgeon would need weeks off work on account of being traumatised every time you killed someone on the operating table.

tbh more often result of that mentality where they care too much is they find out what buck shot tastes like

[Exxosia]

The way I see it, alcohol is one of the few things that make life bearable. Every day, people want to make the world worse, overreach and harm, crush the human spirit under heel and drive conformity. Alcohol numbs the pain and lets me deal with my powerlessness as my world is systematically destroyed and all hope is lost. A couple white russians, a childhood movie, and a nap has got me past many a suicidal night.

It's never a question of solving the problems that lead to substance abuses, it's always how can we stop people from being non-conforming or doing things we do not like. You want to reduce substance abuse? Stop making the world a living hell. But you can't do that. You need the world to be a living hell to fulfill your needs -- I can even respect that. You can't let people be free to do their own thing, because it is too important for you to have complete control and conformity. Because you want centralized authoritarianism and a cradle to grave interference with all things, you rationalize the "costs" into the equation that you're right. You don't care about people's lives or you would try to solve the problems, not the symptoms.

You take and take and take. Then when people are broken and need some sort of relief, you can't stand it.

[Champlania]

You want people to stop being firefighters now too?

No, I just feel that people who are firefighters should do it to SAVE PEOPLE'S LIVES.

I don't care what the firefighter is working for! I want get out with my life!

[Kerwa]

The problem is work is the curse of the drinking class.

[Kerwa]

And firefighters are really about protecting property, not lives. The lives thing is Hollywood melodrama.

[Kernen]

And firefighters are really about protecting property, not lives. The lives thing is Hollywood melodrama.

Spoiler alert: most of us don't care about either, we like flashing lights and big trucks.

Seriously, the job is really fun. That's why guys do it. They care when people die, but it's about the fun toys and cool stuff you get to do. My expertise was technical rescue. I could dissect a car in minutes. I once stabilized an upside-down car halfway down a cliff with nothing but rope and trees. I helped a lot of people. I don't rememeber their faces. I do rememeber solving the puzzles.

I'm not very unusual. Some guys remember some of the people, but we all rememeber the Real Cool Shit.

[Techocracy101010]

The way I see it, alcohol is one of the few things that make life bearable. Every day, people want to make the world worse, overreach and harm, crush the human spirit under heel and drive conformity. Alcohol numbs the pain and lets me deal with my powerlessness as my world is systematically destroyed and all hope is lost. A couple white russians, a childhood movie, and a nap has got me past many a suicidal night.

It's never a question of solving the problems that lead to substance abuses, it's always how can we stop people from being non-conforming or doing things we do not like. You want to reduce substance abuse? Stop making the world a living hell. But you can't do that. You need the world to be a living hell to fulfill your needs -- I can even respect that. You can't let people be free to do their own thing, because it is too important for you to have complete control and conformity. Because you want centralized authoritarianism and a cradle to grave interference with all things, you rationalize the "costs" into the equation that you're right. You don't care about people's lives or you would try to solve the problems, not the symptoms.

You take and take and take. Then when people are broken and need some sort of relief, you can't stand it.

In a just world we would drag the rulers out kicking and screaming tie them to a stake above a mound of tires and set fire to it and cheer

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

You take and take and take. Then when people are broken and need some sort of relief, you can't stand it.

When you improve people's lives, they don't need the comfort of fictional gods as much. That's why religious people tend to be so opposed to any measures aimed at improving people's lives and are so anxious to ban every source of relief from the pain of existence. The objective is to make it impossible to live without embracing whatever reactionary dogma they want people to believe in.

Religion is the single largest social and political problem facing humanity in the 21st Century, and as long as it remains in existence we will continually have to deal with these nonsensical proposals whose main purpose is the immiseration of human beings.