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Ifreann wrote:

Incelastan wrote:
I never keep recordings a secret, dude.

Sure seems like you shouldn't have a job if you're routinely telling your colleagues that you feel the need to record your interactions with women to prevent them from making false accusations of sexual harassment against you. Either you're lying, which isn't hard to believe, or your workplace is really, really terrible for women. Which is also not hard to believe.

And it's not misogyny. It's just good sense. There has been a rash of accusations going around, many of them false, as has been shown in the Depp/Heard affair. The official fiction that false accusations are rare has been exposed as propaganda and pretense. There has not been a rash of male on male accusations, as noted.

But this is just sexist gibberish. There doesn't need to have been a rash of men accusing other men of sexual harassment for you to be accused of sexual harassment by a man. And there could, in fact, be many such accusations being made without your knowledge. You don't believe the data, you tell me, so surely you don't actually know anything about how often sexual harassment accusation are being made or who is making them. Or are you going to tell me that while the "official" data is fake, you somehow have the real data.

I make the recordings a necessary condition of any such meetings ahead of time. If they balk, that is on them. Quit making assumptions.

The fact that you impose conditions on meetings with women that you do not impose on meetings with men is the very definition of sexism. You are treating your colleagues as if they are completely untrustworthy not based on any action or inaction their part, but solely because they are women and you think that women, in general, cannot be trusted. The fact that you have heard stories about untrustworthy women and based on that mistrust all women that you might work with only further proves that you are being sexist.

Then again, as society is on the verge of collapse, I shouldn't expect anything more of people these days. A society in decline is prone to credulity, hasty assumptions, and mass hysteria.

My brother in Christ, internet weirdos have convinced you that half the population are so prone to making false accusations of sexual harassment that you need to record all your meetings with them. I do not think that you are in any position to be complaining about credulity, hasty assumptions, or mass hysteria.

Ifreann wrote:

Incelastan wrote:
Proven where? That show trial in the UK? I don't count that rubbish and neither should you.

Nothing about any of the legal proceedings between these particular individuals has any bearing on your bizarre, paranoid, and misogynist workplace behaviour.

Incelastan wrote:

Ifreann wrote:It's paranoia and misogyny. Obviously there are all kinds of accusations of sexual harassment being made all the time, all over the world, that you never hear about. And whether you are accused of sexually harassing someone obviously has nothing to do with whether there has or has not been a "rash" of such accusations. But you only record your interactions with women at the workplace.


Of course you have something to hide. The fact that you're making secret recordings of your interactions with women. That behaviour alone could lose you your job if it comes to light.


But sometimes there aren't witnesses. And witnesses aren't always reliable. How strange that your supposedly reasonable cynicism and pessimism disappears once you clock out.

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So because of the collapse of "due process" in college disciplinary proceedings, you secretly record your interactions with women at your workplace, but only at your workplace.

I never keep recordings a secret, dude. And it's not misogyny. It's just good sense. It's not that all women would, but that they all could, that is the issue. That they have the ability and society has condoned that kind of disgusting behavior as libel and slander.

There has been a rash of accusations going around, many of them false, as has been shown in the Depp/Heard affair. The official fiction that false accusations are rare has been exposed as propaganda and pretense. There has not been a rash of male on male accusations, as noted. I make the recordings a necessary condition of any such meetings ahead of time. If they balk, that is on them. Quit making assumptions.

Then again, as society is on the verge of collapse, I shouldn't expect anything more of people these days. A society in decline is prone to credulity, hasty assumptions, and mass hysteria.

Then again, it's April Fool's Day, so perhaps you meant your hyperbole as a joke.

Incelastan wrote:

Ifreann wrote:Nothing about any of the legal proceedings between these particular individuals has any bearing on your bizarre, paranoid, and misogynist workplace behaviour.

Again, believe what you wish, but I believe that cases like this have exposed the hypocrisy of the "believe all women" nonsense.

The Black Forrest wrote:

Incelastan wrote:
Again, believe what you wish, but I believe that cases like this have exposed the hypocrisy of the "believe all women" nonsense.

Sooooo? It’s false if only 100% of all claims are true? Heard only shows there are “crazy” women out there. Her claims hardly make your bizarre, paranoid and frankly misogynistic workplace behavior true.

The Black Forrest wrote:Oh I just realized this is the American politics thread. Bizarre views of sexual harassment claims really don’t belong here.

Incelastan wrote:

Ifreann wrote:Sure seems like you shouldn't have a job if you're routinely telling your colleagues that you feel the need to record your interactions with women to prevent them from making false accusations of sexual harassment against you. Either you're lying, which isn't hard to believe, or your workplace is really, really terrible for women. Which is also not hard to believe.


But this is just sexist gibberish. There doesn't need to have been a rash of men accusing other men of sexual harassment for you to be accused of sexual harassment by a man. And there could, in fact, be many such accusations being made without your knowledge. You don't believe the data, you tell me, so surely you don't actually know anything about how often sexual harassment accusation are being made or who is making them. Or are you going to tell me that while the "official" data is fake, you somehow have the real data.


The fact that you impose conditions on meetings with women that you do not impose on meetings with men is the very definition of sexism. You are treating your colleagues as if they are completely untrustworthy not based on any action or inaction their part, but solely because they are women and you think that women, in general, cannot be trusted. The fact that you have heard stories about untrustworthy women and based on that mistrust all women that you might work with only further proves that you are being sexist.


My brother in Christ, internet weirdos have convinced you that half the population are so prone to making false accusations of sexual harassment that you need to record all your meetings with them. I do not think that you are in any position to be complaining about credulity, hasty assumptions, or mass hysteria.

Believe what you want to believe, but know this. You can't trust the official fiction here. It's unreliable and politically motivated, mostly carried out by neoliberal centrists who indulge in identity politics to distract from their garbage positions on economic issues. Another sign of the immense decline of society. I am far less credulous than those who believe ABC, NBC, CNN, or Fox. They're all propaganda ministries, the former for corporate Democrats, the latter for Republicans.

As someone once said, "If you don't watch the news, you're uninformed. If you do watch the news, you're misinformed."

Incelastan wrote:

Ifreann wrote:Nothing about any of the legal proceedings between these particular individuals has any bearing on your bizarre, paranoid, and misogynist workplace behaviour.

Again, believe what you wish, but I believe that cases like this have exposed the hypocrisy of the "believe all women" nonsense.

Incelastan wrote:

The Black Forrest wrote:
Sooooo? It’s false if only 100% of all claims are true? Heard only shows there are “crazy” women out there. Her claims hardly make your bizarre, paranoid and frankly misogynistic workplace behavior true.

There is nothing misogynistic about my workplace behavior, but you're free to indulge such delusions if you wish.

Such is the unfortunate effect of mainstream news, aka the ministries of propaganda. Thankfully, I'm incident-free and I fully intend to remain so. I have an abiding mistrust of the human race, but so far, there has only been a rash of accusations from one half of the population. Perhaps, to be wise, I might make it a policy to record everyone, anyway. I am bisexual, after all. Someone could misinterpret something and some homophobe could suddenly accuse me due to that.

The Black Forrest wrote:

Incelastan wrote:
There is nothing misogynistic about my workplace behavior, but you're free to indulge such delusions if you wish.

If you only record meetings with women? It is. You mentioned male harassment and the lack of evidence.

Men are harassed and sexual assaulted. Society doesn’t accept it and basically writes of the man off for not being able to defend themselves or well congratulates them.

Such is the unfortunate effect of mainstream news, aka the ministries of propaganda. Thankfully, I'm incident-free and I fully intend to remain so. I have an abiding mistrust of the human race, but so far, there has only been a rash of accusations from one half of the population. Perhaps, to be wise, I might make it a policy to record everyone, anyway. I am bisexual, after all. Someone could misinterpret something and some homophobe could suddenly accuse me due to that.

On the recording thing? If you are in a company which is in the States, HR would clamp down on you hard. If that is the case, they either don’t know and well I no longer believe you.

All right; I am getting a schtick vibe now. I am bored now so will no longer respond to your bizarre claims.

Ifreann wrote:

Incelastan wrote:
Believe what you want to believe, but know this. You can't trust the official fiction here. It's unreliable and politically motivated, mostly carried out by neoliberal centrists who indulge in identity politics to distract from their garbage positions on economic issues. Another sign of the immense decline of society. I am far less credulous than those who believe ABC, NBC, CNN, or Fox. They're all propaganda ministries, the former for corporate Democrats, the latter for Republicans.

As someone once said, "If you don't watch the news, you're uninformed. If you do watch the news, you're misinformed."

Empty platitudes. The "official fiction" being unreliable does not explain or justify the misogynist behaviour you claim to engage in. If the actual statistics can't be trusted, then how do you know what the truth is? You say I can't trust these news media outlets, but why should I trust you? Why do you trust whoever you are getting your information from?

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Incelastan wrote:
Again, believe what you wish, but I believe that cases like this have exposed the hypocrisy of the "believe all women" nonsense.

Whether it has or not is, again, irrelevant. Mistreating the women you work with cannot be justified by appeal to the misdeeds of other women. You might as well be saying that you don't trust Italians because of the Mafia.

Big Bad Blue wrote:Indicted former president raises $4m off news

Excellent. Another $4 million that won't be going to some Republican who might actually get elected. Keep it up, deplorables.

Haganham wrote:

Big Bad Blue wrote:Indicted former president raises $4m off news

Excellent. Another $4 million that won't be going to some Republican who might actually get elected. Keep it up, deplorables.

If there were another republican who might actually get elected he would face an indictment as well.

Big Bad Blue wrote:Indicted former president raises $4m off news

Excellent. Another $4 million that won't be going to some Republican who might actually get elected. Keep it up, deplorables.

Incelastan wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
Reminder that the accusations against Depp were proven in court to be substantially true and his argument was that talking about them defamed him.

Proven where? That show trial in the UK? I don't count that rubbish and neither should you.

Vassenor wrote:

Incelastan wrote:
Proven where? That show trial in the UK? I don't count that rubbish and neither should you.

"This is bad for my narrative so doesn't count" is shit tier logic m8.

Ifreann wrote:Be really cool to go after DeSantis for his time at Guantanamo.

Incelastan wrote:

Ifreann wrote:It's paranoia and misogyny. Obviously there are all kinds of accusations of sexual harassment being made all the time, all over the world, that you never hear about. And whether you are accused of sexually harassing someone obviously has nothing to do with whether there has or has not been a "rash" of such accusations. But you only record your interactions with women at the workplace.


Of course you have something to hide. The fact that you're making secret recordings of your interactions with women. That behaviour alone could lose you your job if it comes to light.


But sometimes there aren't witnesses. And witnesses aren't always reliable. How strange that your supposedly reasonable cynicism and pessimism disappears once you clock out.

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So because of the collapse of "due process" in college disciplinary proceedings, you secretly record your interactions with women at your workplace, but only at your workplace.

I never keep recordings a secret, dude. And it's not misogyny. It's just good sense. It's not that all women would, but that they all could, that is the issue. That they have the ability and society has condoned that kind of disgusting behavior as libel and slander. There has been a rash of accusations going around, many of them false, as has been shown in the Depp/Heard affair. The official fiction that false accusations are rare has been exposed as propaganda and pretense. There has not been a rash of male on male accusations, as noted. I make the recordings a necessary condition of any such meetings ahead of time. If they balk, that is on them. Quit making assumptions.

Then again, as society is on the verge of collapse, I shouldn't expect anything more of people these days. A society in decline is prone to credulity, hasty assumptions, and mass hysteria.

Then again, it's April Fool's Day, so perhaps you meant your hyperbole as a joke.

Transsibiria wrote:Biden has lost touch with reality, he's acting increasingly like late stage Brezhnev. This is bad news.

Big Bad Blue wrote:Indicted former president raises $4m off news

Excellent. Another $4 million that won't be going to some Republican who might actually get elected. Keep it up, deplorables.

Haganham wrote:

Big Bad Blue wrote:Indicted former president raises $4m off news

Excellent. Another $4 million that won't be going to some Republican who might actually get elected. Keep it up, deplorables.

If there were another republican who might actually get elected he would face an indictment as well.

Vassenor wrote:

Transsibiria wrote:Biden has lost touch with reality, he's acting increasingly like late stage Brezhnev. This is bad news.

Explain.