The Problem With Alcohol

[Floofybit]

Emerging evidence suggests that even drinking within the recommended limits may increase the overall risk of death from various causes, such as from several types of cancer and some forms of cardiovascular disease. Alcohol has been found to increase risk for cancer, and for some types of cancer, the risk increases even at low levels of alcohol consumption (less than 1 drink in a day).
Although past studies have indicated that moderate alcohol consumption has protective health benefits (e.g., reducing risk of heart disease), recent studies show this may not be true. While some studies have found improved health outcomes among moderate drinkers, it’s impossible to conclude whether these improved outcomes are due to moderate alcohol consumption or other differences in behaviors or genetics between people who drink moderately and people who don’t.

https://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets ... inking.htm

[Portzania]

Alcohol lovers, when are we getting ready to party? I hope our fun will ring in the ears of all anti-alcohol monarchs.

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Out of all alcohol you choose the worst, beer.

[Floofybit]

Alcohol lovers, when are we getting ready to party? I hope our fun will ring in the ears of all anti-alcohol monarchs.

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Out of all alcohol you choose the worst, beer.

Lol

[Dimetrodon Empire]

Emerging evidence suggests that even drinking within the recommended limits may increase the overall risk of death from various causes, such as from several types of cancer and some forms of cardiovascular disease. Alcohol has been found to increase risk for cancer, and for some types of cancer, the risk increases even at low levels of alcohol consumption (less than 1 drink in a day).
Although past studies have indicated that moderate alcohol consumption has protective health benefits (e.g., reducing risk of heart disease), recent studies show this may not be true. While some studies have found improved health outcomes among moderate drinkers, it’s impossible to conclude whether these improved outcomes are due to moderate alcohol consumption or other differences in behaviors or genetics between people who drink moderately and people who don’t.

https://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets ... inking.htm

Doesn't make banning it any more practical.

[Floofybit]

https://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets ... inking.htm

Doesn't make banning it any more practical.

Why not? It shows that it's unsafe even in moderation

[Kernen]

Emerging evidence suggests that even drinking within the recommended limits may increase the overall risk of death from various causes, such as from several types of cancer and some forms of cardiovascular disease. Alcohol has been found to increase risk for cancer, and for some types of cancer, the risk increases even at low levels of alcohol consumption (less than 1 drink in a day).
Although past studies have indicated that moderate alcohol consumption has protective health benefits (e.g., reducing risk of heart disease), recent studies show this may not be true. While some studies have found improved health outcomes among moderate drinkers, it’s impossible to conclude whether these improved outcomes are due to moderate alcohol consumption or other differences in behaviors or genetics between people who drink moderately and people who don’t.

https://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets ... inking.htm

There's still no way to effectively ban it. I can make liquor from corn and wheat with just no trouble. I cannot emphasize enough how easy it is to do and how easy it is to hide. I have made a alcoholic concoction in my dorm room using tin foil and a plastic bottle. Tasted like shit but it got me buzzed.

[Dimetrodon Empire]

Doesn't make banning it any more practical.

Why not? It shows that it's unsafe even in moderation

Because it can be created from practically anything. Good luck enforcing that.

[Floofybit]

https://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets ... inking.htm

There's still no way to effectively ban it. I can make liquor from corn and wheat with just no trouble. I cannot emphasize enough how easy it is to do and how easy it is to hide. I have made a alcoholic concoction in my dorm room using tin foil and a plastic bottle. Tasted like shit but it got me buzzed.

See, this is the problem. You seem addicted. You'll risk your health and take a taste of crap just so you can get a kick.

[Neutraligon]

https://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets ... inking.htm

There's still no way to effectively ban it. I can make liquor from corn and wheat with just no trouble. I cannot emphasize enough how easy it is to do and how easy it is to hide. I have made a alcoholic concoction in my dorm room using tin foil and a plastic bottle. Tasted like shit but it got me buzzed.

IT can also be made accidentally. I know I did.

[Cavirfi]

Prohibition obviously isn't the answer nor is letting recreational alcohol just go around freely. I think a great deal of regulation such as higher taxes on both the sale and manufacture of alcohol would be a solution, if we're talking United States here. I weirdly think that lowering the drinking age from 21 to 18 would also help, I don't exactly know how this would help but I heard there's this sort of psychological effect that goes like "if doing something considered immoral or illegal is no longer a crime, doing it is less cool" that according to this is considered a pro of lowering the drinking age by those who support it. Also, just the fact that most countries have it 18 and 18 year olds are considered adults in the United States and can be potentially drafted, most likely have to work, go to college, the stuff is another argument that I believe should be considered.

But anyways back to how to limit alcohol consumption, I also think that just an overall limit on how much alcohol you can buy within a time period is also a good regulation. Like, if we limit drinking to just 20-something pints of beer every month or two months for example, that can also be good but I don't know how this work in real life. Limitations on advertising, serving of alcohol drinks in restaurants, and maybe even curfews on alcohol will imo also help as well.

Other than that, I have nothing else to say.

[Arval Va]

What many people don't seem to realise is that addiction is the realm of medicine, not law. If you want to control addiction, treatment centers is the way to go. The War on Drugs failed because they tried to imprison addicts into sobriety instead of treating it like any other ailment. That's just not how it works - in fact, addictions are more common leaving prison (in the US) than entering it.

[Kernen]

There's still no way to effectively ban it. I can make liquor from corn and wheat with just no trouble. I cannot emphasize enough how easy it is to do and how easy it is to hide. I have made a alcoholic concoction in my dorm room using tin foil and a plastic bottle. Tasted like shit but it got me buzzed.

See, this is the problem. You seem addicted. You'll risk your health and take a taste of crap just so you can get a kick.

I was 19 and in undergrad. I was absolutely desperate for a buzz since I didn't have a fake ID good enough to pass at a liquor store, but I wasn't addicted. Just a teenager.

People drink shitty booze because they like to be buzzed. It's fun to be impaired. That's not an addiction.

[Kernen]

There's still no way to effectively ban it. I can make liquor from corn and wheat with just no trouble. I cannot emphasize enough how easy it is to do and how easy it is to hide. I have made a alcoholic concoction in my dorm room using tin foil and a plastic bottle. Tasted like shit but it got me buzzed.

IT can also be made accidentally. I know I did.

Hard to do unless you have fresh fruit juice. Most places put sorbates in to prevent yeast from reproducing.

[Floofybit]

See, this is the problem. You seem addicted. You'll risk your health and take a taste of crap just so you can get a kick.

I was 19 and in undergrad. I was absolutely desperate for a buzz since I didn't have a fake ID good enough to pass at a liquor store, but I wasn't addicted. Just a teenager.

People drink shitty booze because they like to be buzzed. It's fun to be impaired. That's not an addiction.

And getting buzzed by booze gets you close to death. How is something important enough that you'll break the law just so you can get a swig of poison? That seems like a bigger problem than you realize.

[Eahland]

What many people don't seem to realise is that addiction is the realm of medicine, not law. If you want to control addiction, treatment centers is the way to go. The War on Drugs failed because they tried to imprison addicts into sobriety instead of treating it like any other ailment. That's just not how it works - in fact, addictions are more common leaving prison (in the US) than entering it.

The War on Drugs was a complete success.

Oh, not at getting rid of drugs, but that was never the point. The point was to criminalize and disenfranchise the black and hippie communities, and it's been very effective at that.

IT can also be made accidentally. I know I did.

Hard to do unless you have fresh fruit juice. Most places put sorbates in to prevent yeast from reproducing.

I've made hard cider by accident. It wasn't good hard cider, but I hadn't intended it to be hard at all, so.

I think I mentioned earlier in the thread that for a while a friend of mine was using my cellar to brew mead, because he didn't have a suitable place in the apartment he was living in at the time. Water, honey, and a packet of ordinary Fleischmann's bread yeast. It was by all accounts quite good.

All you need to make alcohol is water, sugars, and yeast, and you can't ban any of those things. Even if you're willing to give up bread to get rid of the yeast, there's wild yeast just floating around in the air that can be captured and cultured. Early alcohols were made with environmental yeast. Your precious fruit juices are all booze waiting to happen. You can make alcohol out of milk... the Mongols did it. The fermentation had the effect of reducing the amount of lactose in mare's milk, which was useful because they were mostly lactose-intolerant.

[Portzania]

hippie communities, and it's been very effective at that.

Not sure hippie communities had a very good reputation before it

[Arval Va]

What many people don't seem to realise is that addiction is the realm of medicine, not law. If you want to control addiction, treatment centers is the way to go. The War on Drugs failed because they tried to imprison addicts into sobriety instead of treating it like any other ailment. That's just not how it works - in fact, addictions are more common leaving prison (in the US) than entering it.

The War on Drugs was a complete success.

Oh, not at getting rid of drugs, but that was never the point. The point was to criminalize and disenfranchise the black and hippie communities, and it's been very effective at that.

Well, yeah, but my point is that criminalising any sort of addictive substance will never accomplish anything because addiction is a medical issue at heart.

[Elwher]

I do not drink alcohol. Alcohol has several negative effects on the body including retraining water.When you drink alcohol, it affects your body's balance of fluids and electrolytes, which can lead to dehydration. In response, your body may hold onto water in an attempt to reestablish the balance, leading to water retention. Additionally, alcohol can also impair your liver's ability to function properly, which can further contribute to water retention. It is important to drink alcohol in moderation and to stay hydrated with water to prevent water retention and other negative health effects. So thank u but no!

And I fully support your right to decline to drink it. What I cannot support is your right to force me to not drink it, if that is your goal.

[Kernen]

I was 19 and in undergrad. I was absolutely desperate for a buzz since I didn't have a fake ID good enough to pass at a liquor store, but I wasn't addicted. Just a teenager.

People drink shitty booze because they like to be buzzed. It's fun to be impaired. That's not an addiction.

And getting buzzed by booze gets you close to death. How is something important enough that you'll break the law just so you can get a swig of poison? That seems like a bigger problem than you realize.

Lmao close to death? Hilarious.

Bud I was a firefighter around that time of my life. Being close to death was a normal occurance for me, even assuming being buzzed is a genuine risk. It wasn't a concern.

Booze is a poison, sure. It's a pretty mild poison as they go, and the buzz is fun. If it's a problem, it's been a problem for thousands of years across almost all cultures, who have seen recreational value in getting drunk with the bros.

You're making something mild into a big deal, which suggests to me you don't understand the social value of alcohol in modern society.

[Kernen]

What many people don't seem to realise is that addiction is the realm of medicine, not law. If you want to control addiction, treatment centers is the way to go. The War on Drugs failed because they tried to imprison addicts into sobriety instead of treating it like any other ailment. That's just not how it works - in fact, addictions are more common leaving prison (in the US) than entering it.

The War on Drugs was a complete success.

Oh, not at getting rid of drugs, but that was never the point. The point was to criminalize and disenfranchise the black and hippie communities, and it's been very effective at that.

Hard to do unless you have fresh fruit juice. Most places put sorbates in to prevent yeast from reproducing.

I've made hard cider by accident. It wasn't good hard cider, but I hadn't intended it to be hard at all, so.

I think I mentioned earlier in the thread that for a while a friend of mine was using my cellar to brew mead, because he didn't have a suitable place in the apartment he was living in at the time. Water, honey, and a packet of ordinary Fleischmann's bread yeast. It was by all accounts quite good.

All you need to make alcohol is water, sugars, and yeast, and you can't ban any of those things. Even if you're willing to give up bread to get rid of the yeast, there's wild yeast just floating around in the air that can be captured and cultured. Early alcohols were made with environmental yeast. Your precious fruit juices are all booze waiting to happen. You can make alcohol out of milk... the Mongols did it. The fermentation had the effect of reducing the amount of lactose in mare's milk, which was useful because they were mostly lactose-intolerant.

I'm well aware. I brew recreationally.

Fruit juices can ferment on their own, but sorbates are added to stunt yeast growth. Which is why when you make cider from Apple juice you need potassium sorbate free juice or you'll stall fermentation. Not all juice uses potassium sorbate, but those that do need to be seriously over pitched to have any hope.

You also don't want to use bread yeast because it doesn't take up the diacetyl released during active fermentation very well. You can do it, but it'll taste bready.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I do not drink alcohol. Alcohol has several negative effects on the body including retraining water.When you drink alcohol, it affects your body's balance of fluids and electrolytes, which can lead to dehydration. In response, your body may hold onto water in an attempt to reestablish the balance, leading to water retention. Additionally, alcohol can also impair your liver's ability to function properly, which can further contribute to water retention. It is important to drink alcohol in moderation and to stay hydrated with water to prevent water retention and other negative health effects. So thank u but no!

And I fully support your right to decline to drink it. What I cannot support is your right to force me to not drink it, if that is your goal.

Indeed.

The booze is never the issue, really. The issue is that some people lack self control, or have addictive personalities and are more prone to fall into vices. But that’s not your problem, or that of society at large. If you (General you) can’t drink, don’t want to drink, whatever, it’s fine. But that’s a you problem and not reason to ban everyone from drinking.

I’m allergic to lobster. I can’t eat it. I’ll go into severe anaphylactic shock. I would never call for a lobster ban. You should be able to eat it if you want. My allergy is a me issue.

[Floofybit]

And I fully support your right to decline to drink it. What I cannot support is your right to force me to not drink it, if that is your goal.

Indeed.

The booze is never the issue, really. The issue is that some people lack self control, or have addictive personalities and are more prone to fall into vices. But that’s not your problem, or that of society at large. If you (General you) can’t drink, don’t want to drink, whatever, it’s fine. But that’s a you problem and not reason to ban everyone from drinking.

I’m allergic to lobster. I can’t eat it. I’ll go into severe anaphylactic shock. I would never call for a lobster ban. You should be able to eat it if you want. My allergy is a me issue.

Alcohol is the issue. It's harmful even in small amounts. Lobster isn't harmful too most people. Alcohol is.

[Floofybit]

And getting buzzed by booze gets you close to death. How is something important enough that you'll break the law just so you can get a swig of poison? That seems like a bigger problem than you realize.

Lmao close to death? Hilarious.

Bud I was a firefighter around that time of my life. Being close to death was a normal occurance for me, even assuming being buzzed is a genuine risk. It wasn't a concern.

Booze is a poison, sure. It's a pretty mild poison as they go, and the buzz is fun. If it's a problem, it's been a problem for thousands of years across almost all cultures, who have seen recreational value in getting drunk with the bros.

You're making something mild into a big deal, which suggests to me you don't understand the social value of alcohol in modern society.

Sorry, typo, I meant closer, not close...
The thing is, when you were a firefighter, you were helping people. Drinking alcohol does nothing but harm.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Indeed.

The booze is never the issue, really. The issue is that some people lack self control, or have addictive personalities and are more prone to fall into vices. But that’s not your problem, or that of society at large. If you (General you) can’t drink, don’t want to drink, whatever, it’s fine. But that’s a you problem and not reason to ban everyone from drinking.

I’m allergic to lobster. I can’t eat it. I’ll go into severe anaphylactic shock. I would never call for a lobster ban. You should be able to eat it if you want. My allergy is a me issue.

Alcohol is the issue. It's harmful even in small amounts. Lobster isn't harmful too most people. Alcohol is.

Lobster can kill someone who is allergic. In minutes. Even a little bit. Lobster is not the issue. My reaction to it is the problem.

Stop trying to make ppl live in a nanny state. You don’t like booze, don’t consume it. Live and let live.

[Arval Va]

Drinking alcohol does nothing but harm.

Mostly harm to yourself. When your drinking puts others at risk, legal action is reasonable. Otherwise, it's your own business. THE HARM PRINCIPLE, dear Yod.