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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:09 pm
by Nanocyberia

PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 7:47 pm
by Hanafuridake
The New California Republic wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:There is much debate over whether the Buddha can be considered God, I think that it would be best to say that the Buddhas are their own class of religious being which overlaps in some areas with the Western notion of Godhood, but differs in others. A major difference between the Buddha and the Christian God (and why the two religions are incompatible) is that the Buddha is not a Creator God and specifically rejects the concept of a being creating this universe. Another major difference is that in Christian theology, God exists, while notions such as exists, doesn't exist, neither exists nor doesn't exist, don't apply to the Tathāgata.

Having attained nirvāṇa and before he ultimately attained parinirvāṇa, Buddha refers to himself as Tathāgata as you said, so "beyond the transitory"; but what that exactly means in relation to whether he continues to exist after parinirvāṇa, and the precise "form" of that existence, is unclear.


The state of Nirvana excludes both states of being and non-being, the implication being that the Buddha has gone beyond them.
Nibbana Sutta wrote:There is that dimension where there is neither earth, nor water, nor fire, nor wind; neither dimension of the infinitude of space, nor dimension of the infinitude of consciousness, nor dimension of nothingness, nor dimension of neither perception nor non-perception; neither this world, nor the next world, nor sun, nor moon. And there, I say, there is neither coming, nor going, nor stasis; neither passing away nor arising: without stance, without foundation, without support [mental object]. This, just this, is the end of stress.

PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 8:08 pm
by Hardholm
The primary separation of (an accurate) interpretation of Christianity from the rest of all religions is as follows.

Heaven/paradise/a good outcome in general is achieved not through ones own actions but by the grace of God. Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, and all other religions that I am aware of maintain a basic concept of earning your way to a good result of afterlife.

Christians are entirely incapable of earning heaven or even initiating the process of salvation. It is entirely up to God through the Holy Spirit to approach and convict us to lead us toward salvation.

In this way, Christianity is unlike any other religion.

PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:38 pm
by The Alma Mater
Hardholm wrote:The primary separation of (an accurate) interpretation of Christianity from the rest of all religions is as follows.

Heaven/paradise/a good outcome in general is achieved not through ones own actions but by the grace of God. Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, and all other religions that I am aware of maintain a basic concept of earning your way to a good result of afterlife.

Christians are entirely incapable of earning heaven or even initiating the process of salvation. It is entirely up to God through the Holy Spirit to approach and convict us to lead us toward salvation.

In this way, Christianity is unlike any other religion.


Nonsense. Quite a few pagan religions also base your fate after death purely on the whims of deities, regardless of your deeds. Your flavour of Christianity is not unique in that.
People do however tend to consider this "unfair" and therefor make up stories like "dying in glorious combat gives a better afterlife", "being a bad person sends you to hell" and so on. That is hubris, certainly, but human.

PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:46 pm
by Mystic Warriors
Hardholm wrote:The primary separation of (an accurate) interpretation of Christianity from the rest of all religions is as follows.

Heaven/paradise/a good outcome in general is achieved not through ones own actions but by the grace of God. Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, and all other religions that I am aware of maintain a basic concept of earning your way to a good result of afterlife.

Christians are entirely incapable of earning heaven or even initiating the process of salvation. It is entirely up to God through the Holy Spirit to approach and convict us to lead us toward salvation.

In this way, Christianity is unlike any other religion.




Nothing you said is true. In Christianity you can earn your way, and Islam worships the same GOD and has the same basic stories.

PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:47 pm
by Mystic Warriors
The Alma Mater wrote:
Hardholm wrote:The primary separation of (an accurate) interpretation of Christianity from the rest of all religions is as follows.

Heaven/paradise/a good outcome in general is achieved not through ones own actions but by the grace of God. Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, and all other religions that I am aware of maintain a basic concept of earning your way to a good result of afterlife.

Christians are entirely incapable of earning heaven or even initiating the process of salvation. It is entirely up to God through the Holy Spirit to approach and convict us to lead us toward salvation.

In this way, Christianity is unlike any other religion.


Nonsense. Quite a few pagan religions also base your fate after death purely on the whims of deities, regardless of your deeds. Your flavour of Christianity is not unique in that.
People do however tend to consider this "unfair" and therefor make up stories like "dying in glorious combat gives a better afterlife", "being a bad person sends you to hell" and so on. That is hubris, certainly, but human.



Being a bad person will send you to hell.

PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:57 pm
by Australian rePublic
Hardholm wrote:The primary separation of (an accurate) interpretation of Christianity from the rest of all religions is as follows.

Heaven/paradise/a good outcome in general is achieved not through ones own actions but by the grace of God. Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, and all other religions that I am aware of maintain a basic concept of earning your way to a good result of afterlife.

Christians are entirely incapable of earning heaven or even initiating the process of salvation. It is entirely up to God through the Holy Spirit to approach and convict us to lead us toward salvation.

In this way, Christianity is unlike any other religion.

Sure. If you disregard the two largest denominations- Catholicism and Orthodoxy

PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 12:59 am
by The Alma Mater
Australian rePublic wrote:
Hardholm wrote:The primary separation of (an accurate) interpretation of Christianity from the rest of all religions is as follows.

Heaven/paradise/a good outcome in general is achieved not through ones own actions but by the grace of God. Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, and all other religions that I am aware of maintain a basic concept of earning your way to a good result of afterlife.

Christians are entirely incapable of earning heaven or even initiating the process of salvation. It is entirely up to God through the Holy Spirit to approach and convict us to lead us toward salvation.

In this way, Christianity is unlike any other religion.

Sure. If you disregard the two largest denominations- Catholicism and Orthodoxy

Which he does not consider "correct" forms of christianity considering his belief in predestination.

PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 2:20 am
by Korhal IVV
Australian rePublic wrote:
Hardholm wrote:The primary separation of (an accurate) interpretation of Christianity from the rest of all religions is as follows.

Heaven/paradise/a good outcome in general is achieved not through ones own actions but by the grace of God. Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, and all other religions that I am aware of maintain a basic concept of earning your way to a good result of afterlife.

Christians are entirely incapable of earning heaven or even initiating the process of salvation. It is entirely up to God through the Holy Spirit to approach and convict us to lead us toward salvation.

In this way, Christianity is unlike any other religion.

Sure. If you disregard the two largest denominations- Catholicism and Orthodoxy

Some verses are extremely explicit in supporting th doctrines of grace though.