A word on Hate...

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

OP, your NS name sounds familiar...

Anyway, it's my estimation that we all eventually transition out of the hate everything phase. Or at least, many people do. Sadly, some only go from that phase to the ''jaded'' phase but it seems to me like the older you get, the less willing you are to expend energy hating certain ideas. And that doesn't mean you accept them, or that you're ok with these. It just means you just focus on other issues. Of course, I may be wrong. Or rather, my outlook is not shared by everyone.

[Greater Cesnica]

Agree with much of this, for me it's partially an argument of uncertainty and partially of preference. Preference meaning that, if it comes down to a question between the right of an already independently living, thinking human, against an unborn, not yet fully formed or developed unborn one, I would argue the right of the human already here takes precedence. That's assuming you accept that most unborn fetuses are life already (which I mostly don't, but for the sake of argument let's assume I did in this case). In terms of utilitarianism, the greatest good for the greatest many, it seems the more sensible position.

I would disagree that by and large the 'pro-life' camp are not that. Most of the ones I've had the misfortune of encountering are, in addition to being extreme hypocrites by being pro-death penalty among other such things. There are a few exceptions I could name, but not many.

It is strange how many politicians push the death penalty while being against abortion. It's...very inconsistent. If one claims to support life, they should do so at every stage, in every situation. It's not meant to be something purely political. It is meant to be a way-of-life, being pro-life.

I push the death penalty, and for the right to abortion.

[Alizeria]

I don't know what to make of this thread.

Some of the things that have been said here have quite frankly nearly made me piss myself with laughter, because they're so ridiculous, although I'm not going to make fun of them directly when there are more serious issues at stake.

I don't usually bother discussing politics on NS because that's pretty much what consumes my life in the real world. Is there too much hate in politics? There's no more than there ever was.

The only difference is you've got different people coming out with hate and threats and violence than before. Now that my side of politics, the right, is starting to dominate in the US, UK, etc., instead of the old nutjobs who would say "Impeach Obama!", "He's a Muslim!", "He's a Communist" now we have new nutjobs saying "Impeach Trump!", "He's a Russian spy!", "He's Literally Hitler^TM!"

Nothing has really changed. Now the fact is that NSG, is dominated by a younger generation and by an overwhelmingly left-leaning audience, and a lot of these are young leftists who haven't really lost before, and don't know how to handle it.

It probably doesn't help that these people have been mollycoddled by society, they talk about being "triggered", they claim that losing elections gave them PTSD, and it is absolutely laughable. I mean my god, harden the fuck up. Of course no one has any sympathy for you, and yes you do your cause your movement a huge disservice by throwing public tantrums no matter how righteous you think you are.

In saying that, it's perfectly okay to hate. If you hate an ideology, hate it. Fine. I hate social and economic liberalism. I also hate socialism. The world hasn't ended because I hate some stuff.

And it's okay to hate people too. There are some people on the left who I find perfectly tolerable, but the vast majority are deeply unpleasant people and I have no problem hating them.

And if you're on the left, it's perfectly reasonable and perfectly human to hate the right if you want.

I don't care. No one cares. That's the crux of it: Hate people or don't. It doesn't matter. Nothing you do matters and the world will eventually be consumed when the sun expands.

I'm still not sure what the point of this thread was. I don't know what the point of what I just wrote was.

Oh wait, I am: There is no point.

[The States of Balloon]

Unfortunately it's becoming slowly clear(er) that the American one wasn't, as the Russians are being uncovered as the ones who hacked our elections.

Except they actually didn't change the election results and Trump won fairly.

[Petrolheadia]

Unfortunately it's becoming slowly clear(er) that the American one wasn't, as the Russians are being uncovered as the ones who hacked our elections.

Except they actually didn't change the election results and Trump won fairly.

If what you said was true, there would be at least one report debunking the two "Trump has Russian support" ones, and DJT would have actually used arguments to prop up his "fake news" theory.

[The States of Balloon]

Except they actually didn't change the election results and Trump won fairly.

If what you said was true, there would be at least one report debunking the two "Trump has Russian support" ones, and DJT would have actually used arguments to prop up his "fake news" theory.

CNN made it up for ratings

[Petrolheadia]

If what you said was true, there would be at least one report debunking the two "Trump has Russian support" ones, and DJT would have actually used arguments to prop up his "fake news" theory.

CNN made it up for ratings

Source?

[The Feylands]

If Trump really had Russia to thank for his victory, he wouldn't have such a sensible policy on Syria. Huge disappointment for many rightist isolationists.

The warmongering against Russia ("they hate gays and undermine our democracy... let's ask Saudi Arabia for help" ) is puerile and dumb but Russia is also not our friend, but an incredibly corrupt oligarchy that oppresses Russian democratic nationalists like Alexey Navalny and is only socially conservative when it suits them (hint: they still have the highest abortion rates in the world). Everyone should watch his movie about corruption in Russia. Leaders of free-world countries don't act like this - and remember the creator of this has been jailed for this, several times in fact.

[Calladan]

If Trump really had Russia to thank for his victory, he wouldn't have such a sensible policy on Syria. Huge disappointment for many rightist isolationists.

The warmongering against Russia ("they hate gays and undermine our democracy... let's ask Saudi Arabia for help" ) is puerile and dumb but Russia is also not our friend, but an incredibly corrupt oligarchy that oppresses Russian democratic nationalists like Alexey Navalny and is only socially conservative when it suits them (hint: they still have the highest abortion rates in the world). Everyone should watch his movie about corruption in Russia. Leaders of free-world countries don't act like this - and remember the creator of this has been jailed for this, several times in fact.

By all means, lets watch a random video on youtube. That will DEFINITELY prove it one way or the other. While you are there, watch all the YouTube videos about 9/11 truth, because they DEFINITELY prove it was an inside job. Or possibly the work of the people who made Back To The Future. Or maybe Elvis. Either way - they DEFINITELY prove something, even if I am not sure what it is they DEFINITELY prove.

[Quintipoli]

I understand and empathize with the pro-life position on abortion. The sanctity of life; the belief that every life is of intrinsic value in the eyes of God [whether one believes in one or not, this is where the concept stems from] is an immutable pillar of Western civilization. Since the child [and in a religious context, the purpose of sex is to conceive the child, it is a sin of the flesh otherwise], has not been corrupted by the vices of the world, the sanctity of a child's life holds an emphasized importance. Christianity in particular is rife with symbolism that emphatically states and restates these fundamental and axiomatic concepts.

The Pro-Life movement is not exclusively religious. I've met a good few agnostic and atheist pro-lifers in my time.

Exactly! All it takes is being anti-murder! Since killing people is only acceptable in cases of extreme self defense, abortion should also only be accepted when the life of the mother is directly threatened by the pregnancy and there's no way to save her other than killing the baby.

[The States of Balloon]

CNN made it up for ratings

Source?

http://www.haaretz.com/us-news/1.798105 ... CA77ED64C1

[Petrolheadia]

Source?

http://www.haaretz.com/us-news/1.798105 ... CA77ED64C1

I never got any piece of info about the scandal off CNN. I got it mostly off The Independent, Wikipedia and TVP.

[The States of Balloon]

http://www.haaretz.com/us-news/1.798105 ... CA77ED64C1

I never got any piece of info about the scandal off CNN. I got it mostly off The Independent, Wikipedia and TVP.

It was created by CNN and picked up by other networks.
However, we should probably take this conversation elsewhere, lest we become threadjackers.

[Kennlind]

Unfortunately it's becoming slowly clear(er) that the American one wasn't, as the Russians are being uncovered as the ones who hacked our elections.

!!!
NOBODY!!!HACKED!!!YOUR!!!ELECTION!!!
44 said it was impossible so why dont you listen to him? There is ZERO evidence the Russian government hacked it let alone ANYONE hacked it in the first place. Putin openly supported Trump yes, if that's interference, why don't you probe Obama for supporting the No side in the Scottish Independence Referendum, or for supporting the Remain said in the UK EU Membership Referendum?

[Vassenor]

Unfortunately it's becoming slowly clear(er) that the American one wasn't, as the Russians are being uncovered as the ones who hacked our elections.

!!!
NOBODY!!!HACKED!!!YOUR!!!ELECTION!!!
44 said it was impossible so why dont you listen to him? There is ZERO evidence the Russian government hacked it let alone ANYONE hacked it in the first place. Putin openly supported Trump yes, if that's interference, why don't you probe Obama for supporting the No side in the Scottish Independence Referendum, or for supporting the Remain said in the UK EU Membership Referendum?

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

Apart from all the evidence.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Since you mention abortion, I don't know how you expect Christians to stop hating something we consider to be literal murder. We might not hate the murderer, but rather feel sorry for them, but it's still murder.

[Kennlind]

!!!
NOBODY!!!HACKED!!!YOUR!!!ELECTION!!!
44 said it was impossible so why dont you listen to him? There is ZERO evidence the Russian government hacked it let alone ANYONE hacked it in the first place. Putin openly supported Trump yes, if that's interference, why don't you probe Obama for supporting the No side in the Scottish Independence Referendum, or for supporting the Remain said in the UK EU Membership Referendum?

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

Apart from all the evidence.

lets trust the same great intelligence agencies that said Saddam had WMDs
"Putin Ordered Campaign To Influence US Election"
im not gonna read the whole thing because I doubt you have, but influencing =/= hacking
Good on Putin, shows those Americans for trying to influence every other fucking election in the world.

[Cedoria]

It is strange how many politicians push the death penalty while being against abortion. It's...very inconsistent. If one claims to support life, they should do so at every stage, in every situation. It's not meant to be something purely political. It is meant to be a way-of-life, being pro-life.

I push the death penalty, and for the right to abortion.

Fine, do it if you wish, but don't go around calling yourself 'pro-life' in doing so.

[Cedoria]

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

Apart from all the evidence.

lets trust the same great intelligence agencies that said Saddam had WMDs
"Putin Ordered Campaign To Influence US Election"
im not gonna read the whole thing because I doubt you have, but influencing =/= hacking
Good on Putin, shows those Americans for trying to influence every other fucking election in the world.

It's not just on Putin, the collusion, or attempts to collude by the Trump Campaign is at least AS much of an issue, if not far more serious. We should expect this nonsense from Putin, but democracies are supposed to have higher standards.

[Vassenor]

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

Apart from all the evidence.

lets trust the same great intelligence agencies that said Saddam had WMDs
"Putin Ordered Campaign To Influence US Election"
im not gonna read the whole thing because I doubt you have, but influencing =/= hacking
Good on Putin, shows those Americans for trying to influence every other fucking election in the world.

Funny how the BUT IRAQ defence comes up every single time. Get some new arguments pls.

[The Plutonian Empire]

OP, your NS name sounds familiar...

Well, I remember you too, so...

Anyway, it's my estimation that we all eventually transition out of the hate everything phase. Or at least, many people do. Sadly, some only go from that phase to the ''jaded'' phase but it seems to me like the older you get, the less willing you are to expend energy hating certain ideas. And that doesn't mean you accept them, or that you're ok with these. It just means you just focus on other issues. Of course, I may be wrong. Or rather, my outlook is not shared by everyone.

Not gonna lie, there are some things I have become jaded about in recent years, but I have no idea what to do about that. But yeah, I do agree with you, since I've found myself less willing to spend so much energy on hating certain things in life.

[Aleckandor]

*Snip*.

Not only do we share some core views, I pretty much share the same sentiment as you do on how to approach those views. We may try our hardest to shape the world according to our ideals or belief systems, but at the end of the day, pretty much the only thing we have viable control over is our attitude — specifically speaking, our attitude to both what we witness and/or directly experience in life. The few times that people find that they can cause any long-term tangible change in the world is often the product of chance, meaning absolutely being in the right place at the right time with the right tools or attributes at your disposal — which, for many of us, is not an opportunity that comes often, if ever at all.

However, with that said, even if all greater human action and social abstraction seems akin to screaming defiantly into the dark and empty night, it is important for all people to realize that although one may not or cannot reach their ideal goal, one can and should always undertake the journey whenever they can because it is still infinitely better than resigning oneself to utter despair. We're both the stagers and actors of our own dramatic production, and along the way, we will either come to love or hate certain things and people because that just seems to be a supremely human way to exist in the world.

In short, though it is highly improbable that we can secure any meaningful victory in the battles we choose to fight, we must still fight nonetheless.

TL;DR, basically this meme:

[Luminesa]

It is strange how many politicians push the death penalty while being against abortion. It's...very inconsistent. If one claims to support life, they should do so at every stage, in every situation. It's not meant to be something purely political. It is meant to be a way-of-life, being pro-life.

I push the death penalty, and for the right to abortion.

...And?

[Luminesa]

Also, we have a thread for discussions of Trump and Russia. Literally right over there:

*Points to the Trump thread.*

[Luminesa]

If Trump really had Russia to thank for his victory, he wouldn't have such a sensible policy on Syria. Huge disappointment for many rightist isolationists.

The warmongering against Russia ("they hate gays and undermine our democracy... let's ask Saudi Arabia for help" ) is puerile and dumb but Russia is also not our friend, but an incredibly corrupt oligarchy that oppresses Russian democratic nationalists like Alexey Navalny and is only socially conservative when it suits them (hint: they still have the highest abortion rates in the world). Everyone should watch his movie about corruption in Russia. Leaders of free-world countries don't act like this - and remember the creator of this has been jailed for this, several times in fact.

By all means, lets watch a random video on youtube. That will DEFINITELY prove it one way or the other. While you are there, watch all the YouTube videos about 9/11 truth, because they DEFINITELY prove it was an inside job. Or possibly the work of the people who made Back To The Future. Or maybe Elvis. Either way - they DEFINITELY prove something, even if I am not sure what it is they DEFINITELY prove.

...I'm going to assume there was a point to this little rant, but it got lost with Elvis's ghost and headed back up to Memphis. Or to Serbia with Tupac. Who knows.