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I'm okay with immigration, if the immigrants will be naturalized
And communist isn't inevitable

Immigration = Communism. That is why we must oppose immigration. Communism is the most deadly ideology in human history, killing around more than 94 million people worldwide, according to The Black Book of Communism. More people have died under Communism than any other ideology, including National Socialism.

Kustonia wrote:Immigration = Communism.

Nevermind the fact that some of the largest diaspora in the United States are actually immigrants that sought to escape communism.

Kustonia wrote:Immigration = Communism. That is why we must oppose immigration. Communism is the most deadly ideology in human history, killing around more than 94 million people worldwide, according to The Black Book of Communism. More people have died under Communism than any other ideology, including National Socialism.

That's... interesting...

Petrolheadia wrote:

Kustonia wrote:Immigration = Communism. That is why we must oppose immigration. Communism is the most deadly ideology in human history, killing around more than 94 million people worldwide, according to The Black Book of Communism. More people have died under Communism than any other ideology, including National Socialism.

That's... interesting...

It's hilarious how he claims that immigration is communism, and then gets distracted and goes on a rant about communism, instead of giving any proof whatsoever for his claim that immigration is communism.

The New California Republic wrote:

Petrolheadia wrote:That's... interesting...

It's hilarious how he claims that immigration is communism, and then gets distracted and goes on a rant about communism, instead of giving any proof whatsoever for his claim that immigration is communism.

All you have to do is look at The Communist Manifesto, and that's all the proof you need. Internationalism, globalism, and immigration are praised.

https://www.marxist.com/why-marxists-op ... ntrols.htm

Kustonia wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:It's hilarious how he claims that immigration is communism, and then gets distracted and goes on a rant about communism, instead of giving any proof whatsoever for his claim that immigration is communism.

All you have to do is look at The Communist Manifesto, and that's all the proof you need. Internationalism, globalism, and immigration are praised.

https://www.marxist.com/why-marxists-op ... ntrols.htm

A fallacious argument, "this ideology believes in this thing, therefore the ideology IS this thing". Ridiculous and quite frankly laughable reasoning.

The New California Republic wrote:

Kustonia wrote:
All you have to do is look at The Communist Manifesto, and that's all the proof you need. Internationalism, globalism, and immigration are praised.

https://www.marxist.com/why-marxists-op ... ntrols.htm

A fallacious argument, "this ideology believes in this thing, therefore the ideology IS this thing". Ridiculous and quite frankly laughable reasoning.

Besides that, the murderous dictatorships weren't big fans of open borders.

The New California Republic wrote:

Kustonia wrote:
All you have to do is look at The Communist Manifesto, and that's all the proof you need. Internationalism, globalism, and immigration are praised.

https://www.marxist.com/why-marxists-op ... ntrols.htm

A fallacious argument, "this ideology believes in this thing, therefore the ideology IS this thing". Ridiculous and quite frankly laughable reasoning.

The smoking ban in public places really IS fascism!

Kustonia wrote:Immigration = Communism. That is why we must oppose immigration. Communism is the most deadly ideology in human history, killing around more than 94 million people worldwide, according to The Black Book of Communism. More people have died under Communism than any other ideology, including National Socialism.

Oh, that book that was discredited by its own authors?

Kustonia wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:It's hilarious how he claims that immigration is communism, and then gets distracted and goes on a rant about communism, instead of giving any proof whatsoever for his claim that immigration is communism.

All you have to do is look at The Communist Manifesto, and that's all the proof you need. Internationalism, globalism, and immigration are praised.

https://www.marxist.com/why-marxists-op ... ntrols.htm

Fighting for immigration liberalisation has been, like, the number one project of corporation and industrialists (which makes intuitive sense, since companies and employers would always prefer to pick their workers from a larger and more competitive pool of labour). The European Economic Community which promoted the Four Freedoms (including freedom of movement for workers) was largely the brain-child of European companies and the business community, likewise the US Chamber of Commerce has been a pretty consistent supporter of immigration reform and amnesty in the US. Which is all bizarre if we start from your perspective that immigration leads to Marxism (something the business community obviously doesn't want).

Purgatio wrote:

Kustonia wrote:
All you have to do is look at The Communist Manifesto, and that's all the proof you need. Internationalism, globalism, and immigration are praised.

https://www.marxist.com/why-marxists-op ... ntrols.htm

Fighting for immigration liberalisation has been, like, the number one project of corporation and industrialists (which makes intuitive sense, since companies and employers would always prefer to pick their workers from a larger and more competitive pool of labour). The European Economic Community which promoted the Four Freedoms (including freedom of movement for workers) was largely the brain-child of European companies and the business community, likewise the US Chamber of Commerce has been a pretty consistent supporter of immigration reform and amnesty in the US. Which is all bizarre if we start from your perspective that immigration leads to Marxism (something the business community obviously doesn't want).

In the 1960s and 1970s some of the biggest German companies even had pernament recruitment offices in Turkey. They literally hired people in Asia Minor and sent them to work in Germany.

Belinka wrote:The Soviet Union also constantly violated human rights. Gulags, forced labor, no freedom of speech.

I understand the whole non-totalitarian idea, but it still won’t work. Unless you brainwash and violate human rights. We are a selfish, war monger in, vile species by nature. Even if the majority of people can band together to become a Communist-Utopia State, there will always be sects that decide to rise up and murder.

There is no way to get people to agree to Communism without any brainwashing.

Prisons, rehabilitative labor and hate speech laws. THE HORROR.

Never say never. Wait until you see all the other left right and center alternatives fuck up time and time again and material conditions truly worsen in our parts of the world.

Rothbrook wrote:Communism isn't inevitable. It's pretty much the only doctrine that is absolutely NOT inevitable. Look at the USSR, China, North Korea, Cuba, and (although socialist) Venezuela.
Communism is not viable do to human nature. It just simply won't work, it never has and never will.

Revolutionary socioeconomic upheaval is both ongoing and inevitable. Call it communist or socialist or whatever you like, because it's up to the organized masses what they call that and what changes they make. With revolutionary states come necessarily revolutionary terror, as it does with revolutions. A revolution is not a dinner party or other leisurely activity.

China, Cuba and North Korea are also actively aiding communist and national liberation struggles overseas. Cuba has eliminated illiteracy and child malnutrition, leads in cancer research and has a stable multiethnic society in place, whilst the United States are failing in all of the aforementioned areas, being rife with social disintegration and stratification. China along with the European Union of course are taking off in development of environmental technologies to combat climate change, a phenomenon whose existence is not up for debate with good faith.

South Koreans and Americans still can't come up with news stories based on fact about North Korea either, so maybe you're the one who should go and look at said socialist states instead of going to the wild, near supernatural conspiracy theorist claims about socialist states and communists the elite wants you to go back to.

Kustonia wrote:Immigration = Communism. That is why we must oppose immigration. Communism is the most deadly ideology in human history, killing around more than 94 million people worldwide, according to The Black Book of Communism. More people have died under Communism than any other ideology, including National Socialism.

Hilarious, my man. Keep on memeing.

Bezkoshtovnya wrote:

Kustonia wrote:Immigration = Communism.

Nevermind the fact that some of the largest diaspora in the United States are actually immigrants that sought to escape communism.

Won't someone please spare a tear for the victims of communism? :'(

Kustonia wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:It's hilarious how he claims that immigration is communism, and then gets distracted and goes on a rant about communism, instead of giving any proof whatsoever for his claim that immigration is communism.

All you have to do is look at The Communist Manifesto, and that's all the proof you need. Internationalism, globalism, and immigration are praised.

https://www.marxist.com/why-marxists-op ... ntrols.htm

Point to me where it says that, silly.

Petrolheadia wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:A fallacious argument, "this ideology believes in this thing, therefore the ideology IS this thing". Ridiculous and quite frankly laughable reasoning.

Besides that, the murderous """""dictatorships""""" weren't big fans of open borders.

Neither are the equally if not more murderous """""democracies""""". Emphasis mine.

Purgatio wrote:

Kustonia wrote:
All you have to do is look at The Communist Manifesto, and that's all the proof you need. Internationalism, globalism, and immigration are praised.

https://www.marxist.com/why-marxists-op ... ntrols.htm

Fighting for immigration liberalisation has been, like, the number one project of corporation and industrialists (which makes intuitive sense, since companies and employers would always prefer to pick their workers from a larger and more competitive pool of labour). The European Economic Community which promoted the Four Freedoms (including freedom of movement for workers) was largely the brain-child of European companies and the business community, likewise the US Chamber of Commerce has been a pretty consistent supporter of immigration reform and amnesty in the US. Which is all bizarre if we start from your perspective that immigration leads to Marxism (something the business community obviously doesn't want).

MLs over here have pointed the detrimental effect to local labor markets the liberal open borders and European integration policies causes time and time again. It's not fascist to think that way or exclusively talked about by fascists, but anti-EU people anywhere on the political spectrum, because the problem is fucking apparent and still no one wants to admit it exists. Right-wing populist movements aren't appearing out of thin air or gain traction from nothing.

Tankmen wrote:Neither are the equally if not more murderous """""democracies""""". Emphasis mine.

Come on now, you can't just say that and not leave us any specific examples or evidence to read.

Petrolheadia wrote:

Purgatio wrote:
Fighting for immigration liberalisation has been, like, the number one project of corporation and industrialists (which makes intuitive sense, since companies and employers would always prefer to pick their workers from a larger and more competitive pool of labour). The European Economic Community which promoted the Four Freedoms (including freedom of movement for workers) was largely the brain-child of European companies and the business community, likewise the US Chamber of Commerce has been a pretty consistent supporter of immigration reform and amnesty in the US. Which is all bizarre if we start from your perspective that immigration leads to Marxism (something the business community obviously doesn't want).

In the 1960s and 1970s some of the biggest German companies even had pernament recruitment offices in Turkey. They literally hired people in Asia Minor and sent them to work in Germany.

Exactly, corporations and businesses generally don't like cross-border economic restrictions, whether it is restrictions on trade in goods and services, restrictions on establishment of new branches, restrictions on investment and capital-infusions, or restrictions on when they can bring in workers from other countries and nationalities into the local labour force.

Tankmen wrote:
MLs over here have pointed the detrimental effect to local labor markets the liberal open borders and European integration policies causes time and time again. It's not fascist to think that way or exclusively talked about by fascists, but anti-EU people anywhere on the political spectrum, because the problem is fucking apparent and still no one wants to admit it exists. Right-wing populist movements aren't appearing out of thin air or gain traction from nothing.

Right-wing populist movements are arising in response to the long-term demographic changes brought about my immigration where the workers in question end up having rights to settle in the country, bring over families, acquire permanent residency and even citizenship either for them or their future offspring, changing in a more long-term and permanent capacity the ethno-demographic face of the country, at the expense of members of the majority race who end up feeling like their place in society is at risk, endangered or threatened in some fashion.

In contrast, countries that have adopted policies of importing migrant labour from overseas, whilst excluding any right of such workers to settle or reside on a long-term basis, bring over family members, or acquire permanent residency (in particular, Taiwan and Singapore, Hong Kong does the same) have not seen the same rise of right-wing populism, because temporary migrant workers don't carry the same threat of changing the demographic face of the country because they cannot acquire long-term residence and are sent back home the moment short-term contracts expire.

The New California Republic wrote:

Kustonia wrote:
All you have to do is look at The Communist Manifesto, and that's all the proof you need. Internationalism, globalism, and immigration are praised.

https://www.marxist.com/why-marxists-op ... ntrols.htm

A fallacious argument, "this ideology believes in this thing, therefore the ideology IS this thing". Ridiculous and quite frankly laughable reasoning.

Nazis supported controlled access highways. Ergo the Interstate Highways and Eisenhower are literally Nazis!

We should have a thread about immigration.

We already have a thread about Communism.
This OP is a disaster unfortunately.
It barely discusses immigration.

tfw being a POW from a war, not being allowed to go home, and being forced to work like a slave in a gulag in the Arctic in hellish conditions

tfw after you die in gulag your death is covered up and your family never knows whether you’re dead or alive

“Rehabilitative labor”

Shanhwa wrote:

Tankmen wrote:Prisons, rehabilitative labor and hate speech laws. THE HORROR.

Never say never. Wait until you see all the other left right and center alternatives fuck up time and time again and material conditions truly worsen in our parts of the world.


Revolutionary socioeconomic upheaval is both ongoing and inevitable. Call it communist or socialist or whatever you like, because it's up to the organized masses what they call that and what changes they make. With revolutionary states come necessarily revolutionary terror, as it does with revolutions. A revolution is not a dinner party or other leisurely activity.

China, Cuba and North Korea are also actively aiding communist and national liberation struggles overseas. Cuba has eliminated illiteracy and child malnutrition, leads in cancer research and has a stable multiethnic society in place, whilst the United States are failing in all of the aforementioned areas, being rife with social disintegration and stratification. China along with the European Union of course are taking off in development of environmental technologies to combat climate change, a phenomenon whose existence is not up for debate with good faith.

South Koreans and Americans still can't come up with news stories based on fact about North Korea either, so maybe you're the one who should go and look at said socialist states instead of going to the wild, near supernatural conspiracy theorist claims about socialist states and communists the elite wants you to go back to.


Hilarious, my man. Keep on memeing.


Won't someone please spare a tear for the victims of communism? :'(


Point to me where it says that, silly.


Neither are the equally if not more murderous """""democracies""""". Emphasis mine.


MLs over here have pointed the detrimental effect to local labor markets the liberal open borders and European integration policies causes time and time again. It's not fascist to think that way or exclusively talked about by fascists, but anti-EU people anywhere on the political spectrum, because the problem is fucking apparent and still no one wants to admit it exists. Right-wing populist movements aren't appearing out of thin air or gain traction from nothing.

tfw being a POW from a war, not being allowed to go home, and being forced to work like a slave in a gulag in the Arctic in hellish conditions

tfw after you die in gulag your death is covered up and your family never knows whether you’re dead or alive

“Rehabilitative labor”

Don't bother bringing up facts to a tankie. It will go in one ear and out the other.

Tankmen wrote:Prisons, rehabilitative labor and hate speech laws. THE HORROR.

They did a hell of a lot more than this. It seems you are incapable of not lying.

Shanhwa wrote:

Tankmen wrote:Prisons, rehabilitative labor and hate speech laws. THE HORROR.

Never say never. Wait until you see all the other left right and center alternatives fuck up time and time again and material conditions truly worsen in our parts of the world.


Revolutionary socioeconomic upheaval is both ongoing and inevitable. Call it communist or socialist or whatever you like, because it's up to the organized masses what they call that and what changes they make. With revolutionary states come necessarily revolutionary terror, as it does with revolutions. A revolution is not a dinner party or other leisurely activity.

China, Cuba and North Korea are also actively aiding communist and national liberation struggles overseas. Cuba has eliminated illiteracy and child malnutrition, leads in cancer research and has a stable multiethnic society in place, whilst the United States are failing in all of the aforementioned areas, being rife with social disintegration and stratification. China along with the European Union of course are taking off in development of environmental technologies to combat climate change, a phenomenon whose existence is not up for debate with good faith.

South Koreans and Americans still can't come up with news stories based on fact about North Korea either, so maybe you're the one who should go and look at said socialist states instead of going to the wild, near supernatural conspiracy theorist claims about socialist states and communists the elite wants you to go back to.


Hilarious, my man. Keep on memeing.


Won't someone please spare a tear for the victims of communism? :'(


Point to me where it says that, silly.


Neither are the equally if not more murderous """""democracies""""". Emphasis mine.


MLs over here have pointed the detrimental effect to local labor markets the liberal open borders and European integration policies causes time and time again. It's not fascist to think that way or exclusively talked about by fascists, but anti-EU people anywhere on the political spectrum, because the problem is fucking apparent and still no one wants to admit it exists. Right-wing populist movements aren't appearing out of thin air or gain traction from nothing.

tfw being a POW from a war, not being allowed to go home, and being forced to work like a slave in a gulag in the Arctic in hellish conditions

tfw after you die in gulag your death is covered up and your family never knows whether you’re dead or alive

“Rehabilitative labor”

>prisoner of war in the USSR
Gee I wonder what kind of POWs existed in the USSR from major wars
>WWI
>Russian civil war
>WWII

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:

Tankmen wrote:Prisons, rehabilitative labor and hate speech laws. THE HORROR.

They did a hell of a lot more than this. It seems you are incapable of not lying.

Yeah, we communists sure get a lot done. If supporters of capitalism would spend half their time doing shit as much as they do crying about their opponents, they might as well get a job and rake in all the gold they get from selling away their labor at unfair prices instead

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Don't bother bringing up facts to a tankie. It will go in one ear and out the other.

Don't bother presenting fictions as fact to a tankie. It will go in one ear and out the other.

Tankmen wrote:

Shanhwa wrote:

tfw being a POW from a war, not being allowed to go home, and being forced to work like a slave in a gulag in the Arctic in hellish conditions

tfw after you die in gulag your death is covered up and your family never knows whether you’re dead or alive

“Rehabilitative labor”

>prisoner of war in the USSR
Gee I wonder what kind of POWs existed in the USSR from major wars
>WWI
>Russian civil war
>WWII

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:They did a hell of a lot more than this. It seems you are incapable of not lying.

Yeah, we communists sure get a lot done. If supporters of capitalism would spend half their time doing shit as much as they do crying about their opponents, they might as well get a job and rake in all the gold they get from selling away their labor at unfair prices instead

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Don't bother bringing up facts to a tankie. It will go in one ear and out the other.

Don't bother presenting fictions as fact to a tankie. It will go in one ear and out the other.

Hi, torroca.

Chernoslavia wrote:

Tankmen wrote:>prisoner of war in the USSR
Gee I wonder what kind of POWs existed in the USSR from major wars
>WWI
>Russian civil war
>WWII

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Yeah, we communists sure get a lot done. If supporters of capitalism would spend half their time doing shit as much as they do crying about their opponents, they might as well get a job and rake in all the gold they get from selling away their labor at unfair prices instead


Don't bother presenting fictions as fact to a tankie. It will go in one ear and out the other.

Hi, torroca.

Hi, dude. Not the dude you think I am but do try guessing again. I'm not Asherahan either in case you wanted to retry guessing.

Tankmen wrote:

Shanhwa wrote:

tfw being a POW from a war, not being allowed to go home, and being forced to work like a slave in a gulag in the Arctic in hellish conditions

tfw after you die in gulag your death is covered up and your family never knows whether you’re dead or alive

“Rehabilitative labor”

1. >prisoner of war in the USSR
Gee I wonder what kind of POWs existed in the USSR from major wars
>WWI
>Russian civil war
>WWII

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:They did a hell of a lot more than this. It seems you are incapable of not lying.

2. Yeah, we communists sure get a lot done. If supporters of capitalism would spend half their time doing shit as much as they do crying about their opponents, they might as well get a job and rake in all the gold they get from selling away their labor at unfair prices instead

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Don't bother bringing up facts to a tankie. It will go in one ear and out the other.

3. Don't bother presenting fictions as fact to a tankie. It will go in one ear and out the other.

1. So war crimes are acceptable, because "OH duh face-ists and nahtzees"? Since, at this point, you are basically dehumanizing the actual military personnel, and treating their torture and death like a joke. Honestly, this sort of logic is why the Soviets were really no better than Nazi Germany.

2. Apparently, torturing and killing millions, and forcing an inefficient and authoritarian system upon people is "getting a lot done".

By "getting a lot done", we Capitalists actually have technological advances in mind, including the information age, not crimes against humanity and thinly-veiled imperialism.

3. Sure, because the Holocaust is "fiction" to some people, too.

Petrolheadia wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:A fallacious argument, "this ideology believes in this thing, therefore the ideology IS this thing". Ridiculous and quite frankly laughable reasoning.

Besides that, the murderous dictatorships weren't big fans of open borders.

I mean the soviet union didn't even have open internal borders.