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Which Candidate do you support?

Bernie
102
33%
Beto
3
1%
Biden
15
5%
Buttigieg
27
9%
Harris
4
1%
Warren
17
6%
Yang
24
8%
Trump
88
29%
Weld
3
1%
Other
25
8%
 
Total votes : 308

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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:30 pm

New Cobastheia wrote:
US-SSR wrote:You who voted for Stein, who voted for Johnson, who were too butthurt over Bernie to bother to vote or who couldn't bring yourself to vote for the most qualified Presidential candidate in my long lifetime because she was a woman, remember that this is on you. The longest shutdown in history to feed a fragile narcissist's ego. A White House that most resembles a knife fight in a clown car towing a dumpster fire over a cliff. Supine submission in the Senate. A corrupt, venal, callous and feckless administration in cahoots with the nation's most formidable adversary. Drunken sycophants on the Supreme Court. Children torn from their parents' arms for seeking help from your country. The US hemorrhaging influence, prestige and power. Gangs of racist, xenophobic misogynists in red hats roaming the streets of the nation's capital. All this is on you. All this and more.

Choose more wisely next time.

Except you know, the part where if you live in a safe state your vote doesn't mean shit if it wasn't for the winner.

Except for the part where if you give all the Libertarian votes to Trump and all the Green votes to Clinton, Trump wins Minnesota, New Hampshire, Maine At-Large, Nevada, he almost would've won New Mexico (If we add in the votes for Evan McMullin), and the Popular Vote.

Thankfully the Libertarians and Greens were smart enough not to contribute to the mess that was 2016.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:47 pm

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The Democratic party provides better people for president than Trump.

Thing is, things that hurt others can end up hurting you.

The expense of others? With out them, there wouldn't be here.


If you lead the nation and it's military, then you need to honor those who served before.

You're aware it was the secret service that made the call that it was too dangerous to fly a helicopter to the memorial, right?

You are awhere that he could have taken the limo to the memoraial and that rain did not stop other leaders from paying respects?

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:48 pm

Telconi wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:

The Democratic party provides better people for president than Trump.

Thing is, things that hurt others can end up hurting you.

The expense of others? With out them, there wouldn't be here.


If you lead the nation and it's military, then you need to honor those who served before.


Not that I have seen.

Sure.

And nothing Trump does or doesn't do will change that.


Except provide them with the respect they earned.

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Postby Telconi » Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:03 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Not that I have seen.

Sure.

And nothing Trump does or doesn't do will change that.


Except provide them with the respect they earned.


Which doesn't invoke some time vortex in which we lost the war...
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Postby United States of Natan » Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:44 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
US-SSR wrote:You who voted for Stein, who voted for Johnson, who were too butthurt over Bernie to bother to vote or who couldn't bring yourself to vote for the most qualified Presidential candidate in my long lifetime because she was a woman, remember that this is on you. The longest shutdown in history to feed a fragile narcissist's ego. A White House that most resembles a knife fight in a clown car towing a dumpster fire over a cliff. Supine submission in the Senate. A corrupt, venal, callous and feckless administration in cahoots with the nation's most formidable adversary. Drunken sycophants on the Supreme Court. Children torn from their parents' arms for seeking help from your country. The US hemorrhaging influence, prestige and power. Gangs of racist, xenophobic misogynists in red hats roaming the streets of the nation's capital. All this is on you. All this and more.

Choose more wisely next time.


No. That is on Hillary for being a shity candate.

But that is in the past. 2020 is an easy win for the dems. You just need to stick together and avoid blameing it on people who voted 3rd party.

Also, nominate someone more sain then Trump.

As of rn, all the candidates are more sain so good job so far.

Shitty candidate my ass. She was the best damn candidate we've ever had. The "problem" was people on the far left who bought into russian & GOP propaganda hook, line, and sinker. Honestly it amazes me to this day how easily the far left is swayed by the GOP, almost like they themselves are secretly... Republicans.
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Postby Len Hyet » Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:47 pm

United States of Natan wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
No. That is on Hillary for being a shity candate.

But that is in the past. 2020 is an easy win for the dems. You just need to stick together and avoid blameing it on people who voted 3rd party.

Also, nominate someone more sain then Trump.

As of rn, all the candidates are more sain so good job so far.

Shitty candidate my ass. She was the best damn candidate we've ever had. The "problem" was people on the far left who bought into russian & GOP propaganda hook, line, and sinker. Honestly it amazes me to this day how easily the far left is swayed by the GOP, almost like they themselves are secretly... Republicans.

Really? Hillary was "the best damn candidate we've ever had"? Really?

God the hyperbole around that woman is vomit-inducing. Nobody is willing to just say yeah she was a mediocre candidate. She wasn't the worst fucking option, and she sure as shit wasn't "THE MOST QUALIFIED CANDIDATE EVAR". Hell, she isn't even the most qualified candidate in recent memory. Any candidate with experience as Governor is more qualified than she is, so that puts George and her own husband out in front of her by a country mile.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:51 pm

Can OP include a "Days since last derail into 2016 election" sign? Please and thank you.
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Postby Aviskonia » Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:54 pm

19 other people in this thread picked Trump
That's 19 other people who love this country

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Postby Aviskonia » Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:01 pm

United States of Natan wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
No. That is on Hillary for being a shity candate.

But that is in the past. 2020 is an easy win for the dems. You just need to stick together and avoid blameing it on people who voted 3rd party.

Also, nominate someone more sain then Trump.

As of rn, all the candidates are more sain so good job so far.

Shitty candidate my ass. She was the best damn candidate we've ever had. The "problem" was people on the far left who bought into russian & GOP propaganda hook, line, and sinker. Honestly it amazes me to this day how easily the far left is swayed by the GOP, almost like they themselves are secretly... Republicans.

Hillary actually did suck. She promised little change to what Obama was doing (aka weakening this country). Donald Trump was the one promising change: the Wall, jobs, and a much greater and stronger United States. The only reason why some of his goals haven't been achieved yet is because the Democrats wanna throw a big hissy fit whenever Trump does his job. Maxine Waters was encouraging HARRASMENT of Trump supporters in public spaces. Obama was allowing Iran - a nation that hates the US, threatens our Israeli friends, and funds terrorists - to manufacture nuclear weapons.

Trump is the best president we've had in a long time. I don't know about you, but I'd love it if he stuck around for another four years. The Democrats want nothing more than to weaken and destroy this country by allowing illegal immigration, suppressing as many opposing political views as possible, and ruining the lives of the everyday American.
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Postby United States of Natan » Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:05 pm

Len Hyet wrote:
United States of Natan wrote:Shitty candidate my ass. She was the best damn candidate we've ever had. The "problem" was people on the far left who bought into russian & GOP propaganda hook, line, and sinker. Honestly it amazes me to this day how easily the far left is swayed by the GOP, almost like they themselves are secretly... Republicans.

Really? Hillary was "the best damn candidate we've ever had"? Really?

God the hyperbole around that woman is vomit-inducing. Nobody is willing to just say yeah she was a mediocre candidate. She wasn't the worst fucking option, and she sure as shit wasn't "THE MOST QUALIFIED CANDIDATE EVAR". Hell, she isn't even the most qualified candidate in recent memory. Any candidate with experience as Governor is more qualified than she is, so that puts George and her own husband out in front of her by a country mile.

Yes, she was the most qualified candidate. And Dubya's lack of intelligence probably makes him the second least qualified candidate ever (after Trump, of course).

The idea that Hillary was a "bad candidate" is vomit-inducing. Perhaps if the far left had actually looked at her policies and positions, instead of buying into the shit that Bernie, Russia, and the GOP (who, by the way, have been slandering her for decades because they knew she'd be a good president, so they made up a bunch of shit to discredit her) told them, we wouldn't be suffering under the worst president ever right now.

Honestly, it's vomit inducing how the far left, despite claiming to be progressive, will buy into whatever bullcrap the GOP tries to sell them. If the GOP tells them someone's bad, they turn on them faster than you can say "but her emails".
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Postby The South Falls » Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:06 pm

Aviskonia wrote:19 other people in this thread picked Trump
That's 19 other people who love this country

I mean, everyone here wants to see our country do better. Stop saying that Democrats are subversives, they are not.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:13 pm

United States of Natan wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
No. That is on Hillary for being a shity candate.

But that is in the past. 2020 is an easy win for the dems. You just need to stick together and avoid blameing it on people who voted 3rd party.

Also, nominate someone more sain then Trump.

As of rn, all the candidates are more sain so good job so far.

Shitty candidate my ass. She was the best damn candidate we've ever had. The "problem" was people on the far left who bought into russian & GOP propaganda hook, line, and sinker. Honestly it amazes me to this day how easily the far left is swayed by the GOP, almost like they themselves are secretly... Republicans.



Best damn candidate we've ever had? She was filled with problems, a constant controversy.

The only qualification that she had that made me support her over Trump was the fact that she is sain.

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:14 pm

Aviskonia wrote:19 other people in this thread picked Trump
That's 19 other people who love this country


>Trump
>Loving the US

He disrespected the fallen who served the US.

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Postby United States of Natan » Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:15 pm

Aviskonia wrote:19 other people in this thread picked Trump
That's 19 other people who love this country

Sure, if their country Russia.
Aviskonia wrote:
United States of Natan wrote:Shitty candidate my ass. She was the best damn candidate we've ever had. The "problem" was people on the far left who bought into russian & GOP propaganda hook, line, and sinker. Honestly it amazes me to this day how easily the far left is swayed by the GOP, almost like they themselves are secretly... Republicans.

Hillary actually did suck. She promised little change to what Obama was doing (aka weakening this country). Donald Trump was the one promising change: the Wall, jobs, and a much greater and stronger United States. The only reason why some of his goals haven't been achieved yet is because the Democrats wanna throw a big hissy fit whenever Trump does his job. Maxine Waters was encouraging HARRASMENT of Trump supporters in public spaces. Obama was allowing Iran - a nation that hates the US, threatens our Israeli friends, and funds terrorists - to manufacture nuclear weapons.

Trump is the best president we've had in a long time. I don't know about you, but I'd love it if he stuck around for another four years. The Democrats want nothing more than to weaken and destroy this country by allowing illegal immigration, suppressing as many opposing political views as possible, and ruining the lives of the everyday American.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Oh my god, this is the funniest thing I've read in a long time. Trump is making our country weaker by the day. He's attacking our institutions, leading us into a recession, and letting Russia have their way with western democracy. But SURE, a few undocumented immigrants (who, btw, aren't stopped by a wall, because the majority overstay their visas; they literally enter through checkpoints) who do the jobs americans don't want are the problem :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

And I'll remind you that there is NO LAW which states a person cannot apply for asylum if they entered illegally. To that end, applying for asylum itself is not illegal (and it certainly isn't at the legal checkpoint, and yet trump's detaining immigrants who enter legally for some reason) Further, the only reason people ARE entering illegally is because Trump has closed off all the checkpoints in an effort to force illegal immigration, thereby allowing him to claim that he needs the wall (which is a giant waste of money because it WON'T stop them).

Face it, dude. The GOP doesn't have a problem with illegal immigration. They have a problem with IMMIGRATION IN GENERAL. Or, I should be more specific. They have a problem with immigration from Mexico, because they hate brown people. They'd be more than happy to let in people from Europe. I'm sure the GOP would love nothing more than to close the southern border entirely and block any black or brown people from ever entering.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:16 pm

Telconi wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Except provide them with the respect they earned.


Which doesn't invoke some time vortex in which we lost the war...


Everyone else showed up to respect the fallen.

He had no excuse.

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Postby Telconi » Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:17 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Aviskonia wrote:19 other people in this thread picked Trump
That's 19 other people who love this country


>Trump
>Loving the US

He disrespected the fallen who served the US.


This is an issue that literally only you believe to be some horrible heinous offense
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Postby United States of Natan » Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:18 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
United States of Natan wrote:Shitty candidate my ass. She was the best damn candidate we've ever had. The "problem" was people on the far left who bought into russian & GOP propaganda hook, line, and sinker. Honestly it amazes me to this day how easily the far left is swayed by the GOP, almost like they themselves are secretly... Republicans.



Best damn candidate we've ever had? She was filled with problems, a constant controversy.

The only qualification that she had that made me support her over Trump was the fact that she is sain.

Problems and controversy created by the GOP to take her down. Most if it was complete lies. Next time do your own research, instead of taking your info from her opponents. I initially wasn't a huge fan of her, either. Then I did actual research and learned why almost everything bad they said about her was bullshit.
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Postby Hediacrana » Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:20 pm

Telconi wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
>Trump
>Loving the US

He disrespected the fallen who served the US.


This is an issue that literally only you believe to be some horrible heinous offense

It's definitely not his worst offense in my book, but "I can't attend this memorial because it rains" is a bit hard to square with his whole posturing as a though male nationalist tough male man.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:22 pm

Hediacrana wrote:
Telconi wrote:
This is an issue that literally only you believe to be some horrible heinous offense

It's not his worst offense in my book, but "I can't attend this memorial because it rains" is a bit hard to square with his whole posturing as a though male nationalist tough male man.


That's because he's not a tough male man. He's a wimp who happens to have a lot of money...
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Postby Len Hyet » Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:32 pm

United States of Natan wrote:
Len Hyet wrote:Really? Hillary was "the best damn candidate we've ever had"? Really?

God the hyperbole around that woman is vomit-inducing. Nobody is willing to just say yeah she was a mediocre candidate. She wasn't the worst fucking option, and she sure as shit wasn't "THE MOST QUALIFIED CANDIDATE EVAR". Hell, she isn't even the most qualified candidate in recent memory. Any candidate with experience as Governor is more qualified than she is, so that puts George and her own husband out in front of her by a country mile.

Yes, she was the most qualified candidate. And Dubya's lack of intelligence probably makes him the second least qualified candidate ever (after Trump, of course).

The idea that Hillary was a "bad candidate" is vomit-inducing. Perhaps if the far left had actually looked at her policies and positions, instead of buying into the shit that Bernie, Russia, and the GOP (who, by the way, have been slandering her for decades because they knew she'd be a good president, so they made up a bunch of shit to discredit her) told them, we wouldn't be suffering under the worst president ever right now.

Honestly, it's vomit inducing how the far left, despite claiming to be progressive, will buy into whatever bullcrap the GOP tries to sell them. If the GOP tells them someone's bad, they turn on them faster than you can say "but her emails".

If she was a good candidate she would have won.

inb4 "BUT RUSSIA"

"The Russians" all told spent peanuts in comparison to the two campaigns, and it is "highly unlikely that actions by the Russian government contributed in any decisive way to Trump's win over Clinton."

But more important than any of this, it's 2019. It's been two and a half years, we're gearing up for the 2020 election, and Clinton. Lost. She is no longer an acceptable boogeyman for the right or rallying cry for the left.
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Telconi wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
>Trump
>Loving the US

He disrespected the fallen who served the US.


This is an issue that literally only you believe to be some horrible heinous offense


Hmmmm? Bella Wood is one those ohhhh important events to the Marine Corp.
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Postby Hediacrana » Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:43 pm

Len Hyet wrote:"The Russians" all told spent peanuts in comparison to the two campaigns

The article you're quoting literally calls the amount, while indeed a lot less than spent by the campaigns, "non-trivial" and "fairly significant," so terms that basically mean "not peanuts."
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Postby Len Hyet » Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:44 pm

Hediacrana wrote:
Len Hyet wrote:"The Russians" all told spent peanuts in comparison to the two campaigns

The article you're quoting literally calls the amount, while indeed a lot less than spent by the campaigns, "non-trivial" and "fairly significant," so terms that basically mean "not peanuts."

You'll forgive me the hyperbole.
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Postby Ism » Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:44 pm

Haven't seen any talk about him, but apparently this guy joined the race at some point. He's, interesting.

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Postby Enjuku » Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:24 pm

Ism wrote:Haven't seen any talk about him, but apparently this guy joined the race at some point. He's, interesting.


Y’all made me waste a free article for the month just to verify what I already knew lolol

But anyway Andrew Yang is superb and he deserves more publicity. UBI is the future and the direction this country needs to go if we keep automating jobs with more and more people unable to find gainful employment.

Plus having the first Asian president would be nice
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