Right Wing Discussion Thread IX: The Right Man's Burden

[Conserative Morality]

"But they had good intentions" isn't an argument. Communist regimes killed millions of their own people. Not due to war, or ethnic hatred, or anything, but because they disagreed with communism.

And Nazis killed millions of their own people. They did it because of war, ethnic hatred, and because they disagreed with Nazism. That Communists aren't angling for extermination isn't an excuse for their mass-murder - but if you're asking me "Which mass-murderer is worse", my answer is 'Nazis'. Every time. The only reason the commies have a higher kill count is because they were more widespread and longer-lived.

[Conserative Morality]

It's ok to kill/get million killed off as long as its not on racial grounds.

"Communists aren't worse than Nazis."

"I guess you think that KILLING MILLIONS is alright!"

Tell me when you're finished taking every opportunity, no matter how small, to play Nazi apologist.

[The East Marches II]

It's ok to kill/get million killed off as long as its not on racial grounds.

"Communists aren't worse than Nazis."

"I guess you think that KILLING MILLIONS is alright!"

Tell me when you're finished taking every opportunity, no matter how small, to play Nazi apologist.

>Liking the Reds over Hugo Boss

Just give it up. I saw your answers in the economic thread. You're a Communist.

[Conserative Morality]

>Liking the Reds over Hugo Boss

Just give it up. I saw your answers in the economic thread. You're a Communist.

I-I-I love Imperial Germany over the Reds I swear

[The East Marches II]

>Liking the Reds over Hugo Boss

Just give it up. I saw your answers in the economic thread. You're a Communist.

I-I-I love Imperial Germany over the Reds I swear

Sure, sure.

Finish the following sentence as a test

"Rosa Luxemburg [fill in the blank here]"

[Mexican Aztlan]

I wish the right-wing was more popular in Mexico. Mexican values go hand in hand with traditional right-wing values. We share common values of faith, family, and masculinity. Many Mexicans want to see the fall of the Anglo-American left. I support the PAN in Mexico. I hope they can win in 2018.

[The Liberated Territories]

"But they had good intentions" isn't an argument. Communist regimes killed millions of their own people. Not due to war, or ethnic hatred, or anything, but because they disagreed with communism.

And Nazis killed millions of their own people. They did it because of war, ethnic hatred, and because they disagreed with Nazism. That Communists aren't angling for extermination isn't an excuse for their mass-murder - but if you're asking me "Which mass-murderer is worse", my answer is 'Nazis'. Every time. The only reason the commies have a higher kill count is because they were more widespread and longer-lived.

From 1958 to 1962, the Chinese, under the leadership of Chairman Mao, initiated the Great Leap Forward, an economic program that resulted in the deaths of 55 million people. In comparison, the Nazis killed 11 million people in that same time frame. Though not to diminish the tragedy of the latter, one could quickly see who was worse quantitatively.

[The Liberated Territories]

I-I-I love Imperial Germany over the Reds I swear

Sure, sure.

Finish the following sentence as a test

"Rosa Luxemburg [fill in the blank here]"

You cannot argue with wanna be communists, TEM. They may wear pink, but their hearts are red.

[Conserative Morality]

Sure, sure.

Finish the following sentence as a test

"Rosa Luxemburg [fill in the blank here]"

... is an anarchist traitor?

[I actually know next to nothing about her except that she was some commie who got killed by some Freikorps]

[The East Marches II]

Sure, sure.

Finish the following sentence as a test

"Rosa Luxemburg [fill in the blank here]"

... is an anarchist traitor?

[I actually know next to nothing about her except that she was some commie who got killed by some Freikorps]

You passed. You aren't a red. I retract my accusation and owe you an apology.

[Conserative Morality]

From 1958 to 1962, the Chinese, under the leadership of Chairman Mao, initiated the Great Leap Forward, an economic program that resulted in the deaths of 55 million people. In comparison, the Nazis killed 11 million people in that same time frame. Though not to diminish the tragedy of the latter, one could quickly see who was worse quantitatively.

Some problems there.

1. Most deaths from the Great Leap Forward weren't systematic executions. If we're counting the full death toll of the Great Leap Forward, then we should also be counting the non-Holocaust death toll from the German war machine.

2. 55 million is the high estimate.

3. Proportionally speaking, the Nazis killed more. China's fucking huge if you'll remember.

[Conserative Morality]

You passed. You aren't a red. I retract my accusation and owe you an apology.

>> retracting accusations of pinkoism towards a SocDem

You fell for my trap

[The East Marches II]

You passed. You aren't a red. I retract my accusation and owe you an apology.

>> retracting accusations of pinkoism towards a SocDem

You fell for my trap

Brb helicoptering myself

[Improved werpland]

And Nazis killed millions of their own people. They did it because of war, ethnic hatred, and because they disagreed with Nazism. That Communists aren't angling for extermination isn't an excuse for their mass-murder - but if you're asking me "Which mass-murderer is worse", my answer is 'Nazis'. Every time. The only reason the commies have a higher kill count is because they were more widespread and longer-lived.

From 1958 to 1962, the Chinese, under the leadership of Chairman Mao, initiated the Great Leap Forward, an economic program that resulted in the deaths of 55 million people. In comparison, the Nazis killed 11 million people in that same time frame. Though not to diminish the tragedy of the latter, one could quickly see who was worse quantitatively.

Categorical imperative. Mao was trying to modernize China and makes things better. The means he used to get there were not particularly immoral, only the end result was.

[The Liberated Territories]

From 1958 to 1962, the Chinese, under the leadership of Chairman Mao, initiated the Great Leap Forward, an economic program that resulted in the deaths of 55 million people. In comparison, the Nazis killed 11 million people in that same time frame. Though not to diminish the tragedy of the latter, one could quickly see who was worse quantitatively.

Some problems there.

1. Most deaths from the Great Leap Forward weren't systematic executions. If we're counting the full death toll of the Great Leap Forward, then we should also be counting the non-Holocaust death toll from the German war machine.

2. 55 million is the high estimate.

3. Proportionally speaking, the Nazis killed more. China's fucking huge if you'll remember.

1. Which would still be less, even if including liberal estimates for both.

2. It's been accepted as the actual number. One official statistic (the Public Security Bureau of Szechuan) shows that in one province alone, 10 million people had died.

3. The Germans were not just killing in Germany, you know.

[Conserative Morality]

Categorical imperative. Mao was trying to modernize China and makes things better. The means he used to get there were not particularly immoral, only the end result was.

Utilitarians and Deontologists out

[The East Marches II]

Categorical imperative. Mao was trying to modernize China and makes things better. The means he used to get there were not particularly immoral, only the end result was.

Utilitarians and Deontologists out

^ This

[Conserative Morality]

1. Which would still be less, even if including liberal estimates for both.

Low-end estimate for the Great Leap Forward is ~18 million deaths. (that being said, I'm in agreement that the actual number is higher than the minimum estimate)

The Holocaust alone is generally accepted to have caused ~11 million deaths. Add in ~15 million from Generalplan Ost and we don't even need to touch other German atrocities for this sick equivalence.

2. It's been accepted as the actual number. One official statistic (the Public Security Bureau of Szechuan) shows that in one province alone, 10 million people had died.

Why is it that official statistics in Communist regimes are unreliable until they support your narrative?

3. The Germans were not just killing in Germany, you know.

I do know that. And I mentioned China's scale in comparison with Germany's atrocities fully cognizant of that fact.

[United Muscovite Nations]

"But they had good intentions" isn't an argument. Communist regimes killed millions of their own people. Not due to war, or ethnic hatred, or anything, but because they disagreed with communism.

And Nazis killed millions of their own people. They did it because of war, ethnic hatred, and because they disagreed with Nazism. That Communists aren't angling for extermination isn't an excuse for their mass-murder - but if you're asking me "Which mass-murderer is worse", my answer is 'Nazis'. Every time. The only reason the commies have a higher kill count is because they were more widespread and longer-lived.

The Commies don't actually have a high kill count, we have just been pretending that the Nazis shouldn't have all of the civilians and prisoners of war they murdered counted for no reason. In the Soviet Union alone, the Nazis were responsible for 28 million deaths, far in-excess of the Stalinist regime.

[Torsiedelle]

3. Proportionally speaking, the Nazis killed more. China's fucking huge if you'll remember.

So 11 million is worse than 55 million because "well, proportionally speaking..."?

I mean, both are bad, but 55 mil is still worse.

[Kekonistan]

3. Proportionally speaking, the Nazis killed more. China's fucking huge if you'll remember.

So 11 million is worse than 55 million because "well, proportionally speaking..."?

I mean, both are bad, but 55 mil is still worse.

Well, technically speaking, Hitler killed mostly those whom he did not consider Germans.

And Mao/Stalin on the other hand...they did see their ''replacables'' as Soviet/Chinese nationals.

[United Muscovite Nations]

3. Proportionally speaking, the Nazis killed more. China's fucking huge if you'll remember.

So 11 million is worse than 55 million because "well, proportionally speaking..."?

I mean, both are bad, but 55 mil is still worse.

For the Nazis, it's closer to 30+ million, overall, all acheived in the span of less than ten years with control of a single country. The communists are still in power over the largest country in the world. Yes, I would say the Nazis are the worse evil, since, given their success, they would have killed many more.

[Torsiedelle]

So 11 million is worse than 55 million because "well, proportionally speaking..."?

I mean, both are bad, but 55 mil is still worse.

Well, technically speaking, Hitler killed mostly those whom he did not consider Germans.

And Mao/Stalin on the other hand...they did see their ''replacables'' as Soviet/Chinese nationals.

So one killed non-Germans, and the other killed their own people.

Which I'd say are both still bad, but killing your own people seems worse still.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

I'm alive.

[The East Marches II]

I'm alive.

How was being dead?