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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:34 am
by Rojava Free State
Federal Republic Of America And The Cari wrote:
-Astoria- wrote:Bold of you to assume that that hasn't happened yet.The thing is; less allies may result in less support.

Which equals into less support from the common man, which might lead to the end of said movement the professor in question MIGHT be a part of


Ain't it funny how left wing movements went from being worker led in the year 1920 to being led by a bunch of goofy fake woke college professors and students in the year 2020? This woman would have you believe that she, a professor who probably makes about the equivalent of $200,000 a year for a class that ain't worth 2 cents, is oppressed. She could freely voice her toxic ideas but she's somehow oppressed. Oh people are actually being oppressed somewhere? Nah let's focus on her since she is that important allegedly.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:35 am
by Rojava Free State
Baltenstein wrote:I thought this crazy "White identity" nonsense was largely confined to the US and maybe Canada. I didn't know it was a thing in the UK too, having assumed that people there identify as British and/or English/Welsh/Scot/Asian/Jamaican/whatever.


People don't care as much about it in the UK but it exists there.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:35 am
by Rojava Free State
Britannia Maior wrote:
SD_Film Artists wrote:
This.

It could also be argued that her words are 'incitement to racial hatred' which is a crime.


It would give Cambridge more integrity if they threw her out like they ought to. Doing otherwise only shows their racial bias.


Imagine if a white studies major (this right here would never be allowed to happen) said this kind of stuff about people of color.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:56 am
by -Astoria-
Rojava Free State wrote:
Federal Republic Of America And The Cari wrote:Which equals into less support from the common man, which might lead to the end of said movement the professor in question MIGHT be a part of


Ain't it funny how left wing movements went from being worker led in the year 1920 to being led by a bunch of goofy fake woke college professors and students in the year 2020? This woman would have you believe that she, a professor who probably makes about the equivalent of $200,000 a year for a class that ain't worth 2 cents, is oppressed. She could freely voice her toxic ideas but she's somehow oppressed. Oh people are actually being oppressed somewhere? Nah let's focus on her since she is that important allegedly.

Great, now we're going straight to the "oh those SJWs" fallacy.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:17 am
by Rojava Free State
-Astoria- wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Ain't it funny how left wing movements went from being worker led in the year 1920 to being led by a bunch of goofy fake woke college professors and students in the year 2020? This woman would have you believe that she, a professor who probably makes about the equivalent of $200,000 a year for a class that ain't worth 2 cents, is oppressed. She could freely voice her toxic ideas but she's somehow oppressed. Oh people are actually being oppressed somewhere? Nah let's focus on her since she is that important allegedly.

Great, now we're going straight to the "oh those SJWs" fallacy.


Its not a fallacy when the SJWs just prove us right.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:49 am
by Bear Stearns
Baltenstein wrote:I thought this crazy "White identity" nonsense was largely confined to the US and maybe Canada. I didn't know it was a thing in the UK too, having assumed that people there identify as British and/or English/Welsh/Scot/Asian/Jamaican/whatever.


You can thank neoliberalism for the most toxic elements of American culture being exported around the world.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:04 am
by Mtwara
I don't know a lot about this subject but I have a few thoughts and questions.

Do readers have tenure?
Can anybody read what she wrote on Twitter? (I really don't know) Would her regular audience know what she "meant"?
What is/was the difference between her role, and Jordan Peterson's role?

I CBA looking what Noah Carl wrote so no comment.

I personally don't see anything wrong with what she said; I expect academics to come out and say unpopular or difficult things, especially if they have tenure? So I think the university did the right thing defending her. I don't agree with what she said, and like a lot of people I question what the value of a person like that at a university is.

I would expect equal treatment for anybody saying other equally controversial things, so I am guessing what whatever Noah Carl and Jordan Peterson said was much more extreme?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:44 am
by Rojava Free State
Bear Stearns wrote:
Baltenstein wrote:I thought this crazy "White identity" nonsense was largely confined to the US and maybe Canada. I didn't know it was a thing in the UK too, having assumed that people there identify as British and/or English/Welsh/Scot/Asian/Jamaican/whatever.


You can thank neoliberalism for the most toxic elements of American culture being exported around the world.


The only black man in Moldova: I'm sick and tired of white supremacy! I'm a one man movement!

Moldovans: What's a white supremacy?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:45 am
by Greed and Death
At the end of the day she was just trying to be a gadfly/troll.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:52 pm
by -Astoria-
Rojava Free State wrote:Its not a fallacy when the SJWs just prove us right.
By "SJW", in actual fact there was just one.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:04 pm
by Baltenstein
Rojava Free State wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
You can thank neoliberalism for the most toxic elements of American culture being exported around the world.


The only black man in Moldova: I'm sick and tired of white supremacy! I'm a one man movement!

Moldovans: What's a white supremacy?


Also Moldovans: "Maybe he means those hated Whites, back from the Russian Civil War?"
Crowd: "Fuck Whites, Red Army STRONK"

PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:22 pm
by Baltenstein
Rojava Free State wrote:
Baltenstein wrote:I thought this crazy "White identity" nonsense was largely confined to the US and maybe Canada. I didn't know it was a thing in the UK too, having assumed that people there identify as British and/or English/Welsh/Scot/Asian/Jamaican/whatever.


People don't care as much about it in the UK but it exists there.


If you think about it, declaring people to have a white identity without them even realizing, much less agreeing with it, is as preposterous as the early 20th racialists who were categorizing people left and right into "Nordics", "Alpines", "Dinaric" etc regardless of wether or not the described peoples shared their view. Much lulz can be had when reading Nazi Germany's ideological drivel about how the English, Americans (only those of Anglo-Saxon stock though) and Swiss (only the German-speaking ones though) are ACTUALLY "lost" Germans in denial, regardless of their own sense of identity.

It's like me deciding that the nationality of one's ancestors when arriving on Ellis Island is the one category that trumps everything else in the identity of contemporary American society i.e., modern Americans are nothing but a carbon copy of their great-great-great-grandparents compatriots. Hence Trump is a German, thereby belonging to the same national peer group as Angela Merkel, Fauci is an Italian, Biden is an Irishman and so forth.
People reacting bewildered and/or negatively to these categorizations would just prove they are correct.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:24 pm
by Atheris
Someone said something dumb on Twitter. Shocking.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:41 pm
by Brinckerhoff
Atheris wrote:Someone said something dumb on Twitter. Shocking.


Quoting Atheris, but at the above exchange. Main problem here is the Twitter Effect twittifying what used to be considered respectable classes of people -- Pols, Profs, and wait until lawyers become judges and still can't kick the habit.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:53 pm
by Federal Republic Of America And The Cari
Rojava Free State wrote:I think it's funny how the same people who call you islamaphobic and racist for even pointing out that Islam has some serious theological issues often paint with a broad brush when white people are involved. I saw one girl who was like "in history white people are rarely the hero." Just for some reference so you can see how hypocritical these folks are, I'm gonna replace "white" with "Arab" and "racism" with "terrorism" in the sentences they say and you'll see what the issue is with their thought process.

•Whiteness needs to be abolished. It is a concept that killed millions.

•White people are responsible for most of the world's suffering.

•Racism exists to perpetuate white supremacy.

•Only white people can be racist.

•White people's ancestors were evil slave owners.

•White people are all inherently racist because of the system of power and privilege they live in.

•White culture is built around violence and oppression.

•You can't be racist to white people.

Alright, now to switch it up so you can see how bad this shit really sounds:

•Arab identity needs to be abolished. It's a concept that killed millions.

•Arabs are responsible for most of the world's suffering.

•Terrorism exists to perpetuate Arab supremacy.

•Only Arabs can be terrorists.

•Arab people's ancestors were violent jihadists.

•Arabs are inherently terrorists because of the system of power and privilege they live in.

•Arab culture is built around violence and oppression.

•You can't commit acts of terror against an Arab.

See why this kind of thought process is problematic? It paints certain evil acts as being unique to one group, demonizes the culture of said group and basically portrays that group as the root of all evil. So how about we cut the one sided unnuanced crap. "White culture" is no more based around violence than any other culture. Racism is not unique to white people. Most white people are not racists at all and you won't make them side with you by screaming "RACIST" at them repeatedly. And the cultures of Europe need to be preserved like all others and not violently abolished cause "white culture bad." A true anti racist would not demonize a particular race, yet that's what alot of these 1619 types sure seem to do alot.

Thanks for the explanation their buddy

No but seriously this mentality is already dangerous by itself,and it already managed to fuck up Sweden

PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:46 pm
by -Astoria-
Federal Republic Of America And The Cari wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:I think it's funny how the same people who call you islamaphobic and racist for even pointing out that Islam has some serious theological issues often paint with a broad brush when white people are involved. I saw one girl who was like "in history white people are rarely the hero." Just for some reference so you can see how hypocritical these folks are, I'm gonna replace "white" with "Arab" and "racism" with "terrorism" in the sentences they say and you'll see what the issue is with their thought process.

•Whiteness needs to be abolished. It is a concept that killed millions.

•White people are responsible for most of the world's suffering.

•Racism exists to perpetuate white supremacy.

•Only white people can be racist.

•White people's ancestors were evil slave owners.

•White people are all inherently racist because of the system of power and privilege they live in.

•White culture is built around violence and oppression.

•You can't be racist to white people.

Alright, now to switch it up so you can see how bad this shit really sounds:

•Arab identity needs to be abolished. It's a concept that killed millions.

•Arabs are responsible for most of the world's suffering.

•Terrorism exists to perpetuate Arab supremacy.

•Only Arabs can be terrorists.

•Arab people's ancestors were violent jihadists.

•Arabs are inherently terrorists because of the system of power and privilege they live in.

•Arab culture is built around violence and oppression.

•You can't commit acts of terror against an Arab.

See why this kind of thought process is problematic? It paints certain evil acts as being unique to one group, demonizes the culture of said group and basically portrays that group as the root of all evil. So how about we cut the one sided unnuanced crap. "White culture" is no more based around violence than any other culture. Racism is not unique to white people. Most white people are not racists at all and you won't make them side with you by screaming "RACIST" at them repeatedly. And the cultures of Europe need to be preserved like all others and not violently abolished cause "white culture bad." A true anti racist would not demonize a particular race, yet that's what alot of these 1619 types sure seem to do alot.

Thanks for the explanation their buddy

No but seriously this mentality is already dangerous by itself,and it already managed to fuck up Sweden

That's a bit left-field; Sweden?

PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:21 am
by Jello Biafra
Kassaran wrote:The statements were illegal. Mark Meechan made his joke purely to spite his girlfriend and got fined for it. The professor should be fined similarly.

Nazi Pug joke was," My girlfriend has been going on nonstop about how cute her pug is. It's gotten a bit annoying, so I decided to make her pug something un-cute. A Nazi."

He then showed the pug reacting to various Nazi phrases by lifting its paw in a roman salute. Altogether, it's a funny joke, but the joke was lost on the courts because of the specific requirement that,' the statement be examined irrelevant to context'.

Regardless of how she meant it, if anyone were to say 'Black Lives Don't Matter', it would be quite obvious that they were a racist and would be saying so to stir up controversy and offense which is expressly forbidden, ergo illegal.

It's a little bit disingenuous to portray it as merely "various Nazi phrases". There is a large difference between "Seig Heil" and "gas the Jews"; both were used in the video.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:27 am
by Jello Biafra
Merther wrote:Edit : I wouldn't be surprised if, through systematic degradation and humiliation, the "black live matters" folk and "f*ck white people" folk would end up causing the very thing they are afraid of : A society in which the white man hates anyone that is not white

How did you come to the conclusion that we don't already have a society in which the white man hates anyone that is not white?

PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:18 am
by New Bremerton
Compare Cambridge U's tepid defense of a woke, openly and shamelessly racist professor to how quickly the university condemned and disowned David Starkey's remarks on slavery and his criticism of BLM and woke, cancel culture and how quickly the BBC and Twitter descended on him like a ton of bricks. He is being "struggled against" and crucified by a woke, middle-class proletariat for far less than the much more overtly racist tweets made by Priyamvada Gopal, who has opted to double down on her disgusting, anti-white views and pretend she's some kind of victim of harassment. Free speech for me but not for thee.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:51 am
by Nobel Hobos 2
New Bremerton wrote:Compare Cambridge U's tepid defense of a woke, openly and shamelessly racist professor to how quickly the university condemned and disowned David Starkey's remarks on slavery and his criticism of BLM and woke, cancel culture and how quickly the BBC and Twitter descended on him like a ton of bricks. He is being "struggled against" and crucified by a woke, middle-class proletariat for far less than the much more overtly racist tweets made by Priyamvada Gopal, who has opted to double down on her disgusting, anti-white views and pretend she's some kind of victim of harassment. Free speech for me but not for thee.


You should quote David Starkey's remarks, if you really mean to make a fair comparison. All of them if you please.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:05 am
by Hrythingland
Well, BLM and its consequences has been a better recruiting sergeant for ethno-nationalist movements than many of our own lowkey efforts over recent years have been. Purely anecdotal, but I can tell you that a lot of people who I knew as lukewarm conservatives or even liberal sorts are starting to say things along the lines of Enoch Powell was right, or this won't end until we live separately etc.

Mostly because it is the attitude of many activists that: 'you must apologise and also accept that even with apologies and reparations it won't be enough'.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:20 am
by Diarcesia
Hrythingland wrote:Well, BLM and its consequences has been a better recruiting sergeant for ethno-nationalist movements than many of our own lowkey efforts over recent years have been. Purely anecdotal, but I can tell you that a lot of people who I knew as lukewarm conservatives or even liberal sorts are starting to say things along the lines of Enoch Powell was right, or this won't end until we live separately etc.

Mostly because it is the attitude of many activists that: 'you must apologise and also accept that even with apologies and reparations it won't be enough'.

Clippety-clop clippety-clop I hear the horseshoes on the ground.

The people who think 'you must apologise and also accept that even with apologies and reparations it won't be enough' seem to have this view that the closer to the polar opposite of ethnonationalism, the better.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 2:31 pm
by The Reformed American Republic
Hrythingland wrote:Well, BLM and its consequences has been a better recruiting sergeant for ethno-nationalist movements than many of our own lowkey efforts over recent years have been. Purely anecdotal, but I can tell you that a lot of people who I knew as lukewarm conservatives or even liberal sorts are starting to say things along the lines of Enoch Powell was right, or this won't end until we live separately etc.

Mostly because it is the attitude of many activists that: 'you must apologise and also accept that even with apologies and reparations it won't be enough'.

With academics like this and the constant racial tention, I think I'm moving towards ethno-nationalism myself.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 2:35 pm
by Cekoviu
The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Hrythingland wrote:Well, BLM and its consequences has been a better recruiting sergeant for ethno-nationalist movements than many of our own lowkey efforts over recent years have been. Purely anecdotal, but I can tell you that a lot of people who I knew as lukewarm conservatives or even liberal sorts are starting to say things along the lines of Enoch Powell was right, or this won't end until we live separately etc.

Mostly because it is the attitude of many activists that: 'you must apologise and also accept that even with apologies and reparations it won't be enough'.

With academics like this and the constant racial tention, I think I'm moving towards ethno-nationalism.

i can't believe i'm saying this, but i wish you were still a rightlib

PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 2:36 pm
by The Reformed American Republic
Cekoviu wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:With academics like this and the constant racial tention, I think I'm moving towards ethno-nationalism.

i can't believe i'm saying this, but i wish you were still a rightlib

Why? Are my new views more of a threat?