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The Huskar Social Union wrote:No but forcing residents to hoist a racialist flag 24 hours a day that would be threatening and hostile to them

People are allowed to hoist flags. If you can't deal with a swastika, you should move away.

The Huskar Social Union wrote:creating a no go area that includes the entire town for certain types of people (some of whom live there, thus forcing them to leave)

Not really. As long as they aren't physically harming them or otherwise violating their rights, I don't see a problem.

The Huskar Social Union wrote:and threatening to imprison and detain them due to their race, religion and politics is.

This is my only problem right now. I don't accept extrajudicial detention.

The Huskar Social Union wrote:But of course you dont care because it includes Left wingers and people you disagree with so you have no problem with it. Yet if it was a Communist enclave that was against Private property you would call it a violation of human rights and moan about it constantly as some evil commie plot to subvert freedom.

Not really. As I explained earlier, I have nothing against commie communes as long as their membership is completely voluntary.

The Huskar Social Union wrote:And you complain about us having double standards. Hypocrite.

More like you just pulled some statements out of your ass.

The Cosmos wrote:

Neo Arcad wrote:
I'd just like to note, in Hippo's defense, that if there WERE a leftist group doing the same thing, you would be saying exactly what he's saying right now.

I wouldn't be saying what he's saying right now. What they're doing is illegal, and if leftists did it, it would be just as illegal.

Just about to say this. If the banning of private property was enacted in a community that lived in a country where that was illegal then i would condemn it as well. Not as much as this, but i would.

The Cosmos wrote:"as long as it is not imposed on unwilling people"
That's exactly what's happening here. They're forcing people to either display public support for white racial supremacism, or to leave the town, or to be thrown in jail.

Not really, nobody is imposing anything on them. If they don't like their neighbours, they're more than free to leave. Once again I must say that the threat of extrajudicial detention seems rather worrying and I wouldn't accept that though.

Nevanmaa wrote:

The Huskar Social Union wrote:No but forcing residents to hoist a racialist flag 24 hours a day that would be threatening and hostile to them

People are allowed to hoist flags. If you can't deal with a swastika, you should move away.

The Huskar Social Union wrote:creating a no go area that includes the entire town for certain types of people (some of whom live there, thus forcing them to leave)

Not really. As long as they aren't physically harming them or otherwise violating their rights, I don't see a problem.

The Huskar Social Union wrote:and threatening to imprison and detain them due to their race, religion and politics is.

This is my only problem right now. I don't accept extrajudicial detention.

The Huskar Social Union wrote:But of course you dont care because it includes Left wingers and people you disagree with so you have no problem with it. Yet if it was a Communist enclave that was against Private property you would call it a violation of human rights and moan about it constantly as some evil commie plot to subvert freedom.

Not really. As I explained earlier, I have nothing against commie communes as long as their membership is completely voluntary.

The Huskar Social Union wrote:And you complain about us having double standards. Hypocrite.

More like you just pulled some statements out of your ass.

"As long as they aren't violating their rights, I don't see a problem."
In that case, you must see how big of a problem this is.
"I have nothing against communes as long as their membership is completely voluntary"
Again, you must see how big of a problem this is. They're forcing people to "convert," or to be thrown in jail or kicked out.

This is absolutely hilarious.

Send gay porn anonymously to his mail box, using made up names and return addresses. That should be fun.

Nevanmaa wrote:

The Cosmos wrote:"as long as it is not imposed on unwilling people"
That's exactly what's happening here. They're forcing people to either display public support for white racial supremacism, or to leave the town, or to be thrown in jail.

Not really, nobody is imposing anything on them. If they don't like their neighbours, they're more than free to leave. Once again I must say that the threat of extrajudicial detention seems rather worrying and I wouldn't accept that though.

"Nobody is imposing anything on them"
Oh, really? So, let's say that a group of communists came to your city and started buying all the property, and forcing people to either hoist communist flags and participate in communist events, or to leave (I'll leave out the jail part, since you say that's worrying).
You'd obviously be perfectly fine with this scenario. Nobody is imposing anything on you.

New Rogernomics wrote:Send gay porn anonymously to his mail box, using made up names and return addresses. That should be fun.

I would seriously give money to somebody who did that

This town is a potential thriving black (ha!) market for black-on-white porn.

The Cosmos wrote:

Nevanmaa wrote:Not really, nobody is imposing anything on them. If they don't like their neighbours, they're more than free to leave. Once again I must say that the threat of extrajudicial detention seems rather worrying and I wouldn't accept that though.

"Nobody is imposing anything on them"
Oh, really? So, let's say that a group of communists came to your city and started buying all the property, and forcing people to either hoist communist flags and participate in communist events, or to leave (I'll leave out the jail part, since you say that's worrying).
You'd obviously be perfectly fine with this scenario. Nobody is imposing anything on you.

Well, no, the guy said the flag requirement was only for people living on his property. If you own your own property, you're exempt.

The Cosmos wrote:

New Rogernomics wrote:Send gay porn anonymously to his mail box, using made up names and return addresses. That should be fun.

I would seriously give money to somebody who did that

better yet, falsify the return address to one from inside the town and watch as the entire place tears itself apart

The Cosmos wrote:

New Rogernomics wrote:Send gay porn anonymously to his mail box, using made up names and return addresses. That should be fun.

I would seriously give money to somebody who did that

Isn't that idea illegal, sort of like the town?

Napkiraly wrote:

Lordieth wrote:Somehow I can't imagine people with those sorts of attitudes forming a functional and cohesive community somehow.

Well, at least we know what color all the houses will be.

Black...for fascism. *nod*

The actual Fascist take offence at that comment.

The Truth and Light wrote:

The Cosmos wrote:
I would seriously give money to somebody who did that

Isn't that idea illegal, sort of like the town?

The porn idea is questionable at best. The town is not illegal. So far he hasn't broken any laws.

Farnhamia wrote:

The Cosmos wrote:"Nobody is imposing anything on them"
Oh, really? So, let's say that a group of communists came to your city and started buying all the property, and forcing people to either hoist communist flags and participate in communist events, or to leave (I'll leave out the jail part, since you say that's worrying).
You'd obviously be perfectly fine with this scenario. Nobody is imposing anything on you.

Well, no, the guy said the flag requirement was only for people living on his property. If you own your own property, you're exempt.

Yes, that is true.
However, the town is extremely small, and he' practically buying everything.
So, change the scenario. The communists have bought practically the entire city, and they're trying to buy your house. You are now surrounded by communists who are trying to kick you out.
Would you be fine with that?

The Cosmos wrote:Again, you must see how big of a problem this is. They're forcing people to "convert," or to be thrown in jail or kicked out.

If they're threatening people to convert or thrown in jail, that's illegal and should be dealt with. But right now, they're just talking about it and buying property, thus no crime has been committed. If they start committing criminal acts then they should be punished, but so far they haven't done anything wrong.

The Cosmos wrote:

Farnhamia wrote:Well, no, the guy said the flag requirement was only for people living on his property. If you own your own property, you're exempt.

Yes, that is true.
However, the town is extremely small, and he' practically buying everything.
So, change the scenario. The communists have bought practically the entire city, and they're trying to buy your house. You are now surrounded by communists who are trying to kick you out.
Would you be fine with that?

No, but I would make the bastards pay through the nose. As long as they aren't actually harassing you, there's nothing illegal about it. It would suck but money cures a multitude of ills.

Farnhamia wrote:

The Truth and Light wrote:Isn't that idea illegal, sort of like the town?

The porn idea is questionable at best. The town is not illegal. So far he hasn't broken any laws.

He's pretty much making a homeowners association that requires everyone in it to be white supremacist. At the very best, it would make the others in the town extremely uncomfortable and alienated.

The Cosmos wrote:

Farnhamia wrote:Well, no, the guy said the flag requirement was only for people living on his property. If you own your own property, you're exempt.

Yes, that is true.
However, the town is extremely small, and he' practically buying everything.
So, change the scenario. The communists have bought practically the entire city, and they're trying to buy your house. You are now surrounded by communists who are trying to kick you out.
Would you be fine with that?

Yes, I am. As long as they do not violate my property rights or otherwise attempt to physically force me out, I have no problem with that.

Of course, I wouldn't want to live surrounded by communists and would voluntarily move out at that point.

Floribbea wrote:What's he gonna do with those who don't agree? Kill them? Kick them out?

Apparently he's built a concrete prison for them. And there's nothing wrong with that because PRIVATE PROPERTY!

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Nevanmaa wrote:

Ifreann wrote:He wants to build a community where dissenting opinion or uncooperative journalism means jail. That's evil.

Yes, and he doesn't want to force anyone to live there. If he was kidnapping blacks and forcing them to work in cotton fields, that would be evil.

So, if I follow, it's not evil to imprison journalists and political dissenters?

Ifreann wrote:And as matter of fact we do.

Can't handle differing opinions? I'm not surprised.

I'm not sure what part of contradicting you when you're wrong involves not being able to handle differing opinion.

Ifreann wrote:And that community, should he be able to successfully found it, would be pretty evil. And grossly criminal.

As I said, it wouldn't be evil at all.

So you agree it would be criminal?

Like-minded individuals have a right to found their own private commune and there's nothing you can do about it.

I'm not trying to do anything about it. I'm just posting online.

Deal with it.

Having trouble handling a different opinion?

Ifreann wrote:And if it were a communist commune you'd support nuking the site from orbit. Man, it's fun to tell other people what they think.

As a matter of fact I wouldn't. I have no quarrel with people who live in such communes as long as they're there voluntarily.

Nope, sorry, I've decided that you'd want to bomb the place, and per your own posts, other people dictate one's opinion on hypothetical situations.

Ifreann wrote:Again, this pretty accurately describes your attitude towards liberalism and communism.

I have nothing against liberalism, communism, white nationalism or [insert any ideology here] as long as it is not imposed on unwilling people, meaning that there's nothing wrong with private communes.

Apart from that whole bit where he wants to jail dissenters and journalists.

Ifreann wrote:Yeah, pretty much. We're using our freedom of speech to criticise actions we disagree with. Perfectly tolerant.

More like hoping they're getting arrested or killed, it seems.

What's wrong with hoping criminals get arrested? Would you rather let him off with suppressing the freedom of the press, if he were ever able to actually take over this town?

The Truth and Light wrote:

The Cosmos wrote:
I would seriously give money to somebody who did that

Isn't that idea illegal, sort of like the town?

Nope, only harrasment/libel claims are possible, and only if they can trace the letters to you.

Sdaeriji wrote:I think he has some hilarious misguided ideas about how well the state and federal governments will take to the idea of him basically carving out his own little fiefdom.

^ This.

The Cosmos wrote:

Farnhamia wrote:The porn idea is questionable at best. The town is not illegal. So far he hasn't broken any laws.

He's pretty much making a homeowners association that requires everyone in it to be white supremacist. At the very best, it would make the others in the town extremely uncomfortable and alienated.

He's buying property and - my impression - renting it to like-minded people. The people in his HOA would not be upset. Yes, it creates an uncomfortable atmosphere but unfortunately, that's not illegal the way it's being done.

And stop making me agree with Hippo.

Farnhamia wrote:

The Cosmos wrote:Yes, that is true.
However, the town is extremely small, and he' practically buying everything.
So, change the scenario. The communists have bought practically the entire city, and they're trying to buy your house. You are now surrounded by communists who are trying to kick you out.
Would you be fine with that?

No, but I would make the bastards pay through the nose. As long as they aren't actually harassing you, there's nothing illegal about it. It would suck but money cures a multitude of ills.

"If leftist journalists or antis come and try to make trouble, they just might break one of our local ordinances and would have to be arrested by our town constable. See?” he wrote.
Cobb has even built a concrete prison, where he plans to “lock up recalcitrant journalists and lefty commies who violate the codes or peace of the community.

He's not just requiring the people on his property to do that. He publicly stated here than if journalists, liberals, or other non-white-supremacists try to come into the community, he'll tag them on a "local ordinance" and arrest them.

Ifreann wrote:Apparently he's built a concrete prison for them. And there's nothing wrong with that because PRIVATE PROPERTY!

And if he forces anyone in that jail, that would be false imprisonment and I wouldn't agree with that, as I've said several times already.