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Posted: **Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:22 am**

Mavorpen wrote:
Calisu wrote:So it's safe to assume this racist cop knew he wouldn't get into trouble, which he hasn't for murdering a black guy for jaywalking

Please demonstrate he was racist.

Then show us why that would make self defense void.

So you're saying that because he's racist he shouldn't be charged with murder?

Posted: **Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:23 am**

Calisu wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Please demonstrate he was racist.

Then show us why that would make self defense void.

So you're saying that because he's racist he shouldn't be charged with murder?

No, I'm saying that being racist doesn't magically make your rights as a citizen or a cop, void.

Posted: **Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:23 am**

Mavorpen wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:

As to the question, If the account that support defense were given earlier, then why has the media not bothered to report them as they were received? There are several possibilities: the media only recently received them (and reported them as they came in), or they sat on them for some reason.

Er, no. The news reports that there are eyewitness reports supporting Wilson's story came from this tweet. And the twitter...er got that information from police sources. Police sources had to have released this information, so even if the police sources had this information days earlier, news outlets couldn't report on them unless the police released them.

I find the timing of these reports to be highly suspicious. However, they must be taken into account.

Posted: **Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:24 am**

Mavorpen wrote:
Calisu wrote:So you're saying that because he's racist he shouldn't be charged with murder?

No, I'm saying that being racist doesn't magically make your rights as a citizen or a cop, void.

And you aren't saying he is racist.

Posted: **Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:25 am**

Calisu wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Please demonstrate he was racist.

Then show us why that would make self defense void.

So you're saying that because he's racist he shouldn't be charged with murder?

Proof that he is racist besides going off he killed a black guy.

Posted: **Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:25 am**

Big Jim P wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Er, no. The news reports that there are eyewitness reports supporting Wilson's story came from this tweet. And the twitter...er got that information from police sources. Police sources had to have released this information, so even if the police sources had this information days earlier, news outlets couldn't report on them unless the police released them.

I find the timing of these reports to be highly suspicious. However, they must be taken into account.

I don't find it suspicious per say. I see it as more of the police force fucking up once again and not being good at organizing and distributing information in coherent manners. I mean, the QuikTrip video thing was just embarrassing.

Posted: **Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:25 am**

Mavorpen wrote:
Calisu wrote:So you're saying that because he's racist he shouldn't be charged with murder?

No, I'm saying that being racist doesn't magically make your rights as a citizen or a cop, void.

Your words were clear. I don't see how anyone could have misunderstood them. Intentionally twisting them is another story.

Posted: **Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:25 am**

Mavorpen wrote:
Calisu wrote:So you're saying that because he's racist he shouldn't be charged with murder?

No, I'm saying that being racist doesn't magically make your rights as a citizen or a cop, void.

It should. If you murder someone based on their skin colour you don't deserve the same rights and freedoms as the rest of us.

Posted: **Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:26 am**

Neutraligon wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Personally, I think that we should put cams in each of the police cars and on each of the officers. That would do a helluva lot to prevent future Fergusons.

Where would the data be stored. I can see it for the cop cars, but that's a lot of data being stored per cop.

Data warehouses aren't a new thing.

Posted: **Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:26 am**

Neutraligon wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:No, I'm saying that being racist doesn't magically make your rights as a citizen or a cop, void.

And you aren't saying he is racist.

I don't think I've ever said he was racist.

Posted: **Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:27 am**

Mavorpen wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
I find the timing of these reports to be highly suspicious. However, they must be taken into account.

I don't find it suspicious per say. I see it as more of the police force fucking up once again and not being good at organizing and distributing information in coherent manners. I mean, the QuikTrip video thing was just embarrassing.

I will have to review the vid.

The timing of the reports could be incompetence/ a mistake, or it could be an attempted cover-up. Again, we do not have enough information.

Posted: **Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:27 am**

Calisu wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:No, I'm saying that being racist doesn't magically make your rights as a citizen or a cop, void.

It should. If you murder someone based on their skin colour you don't deserve the same rights and freedoms as the rest of us.

See, that's the thing. Being a racist also doesn't mean that he murdered the guy because of his skin color. That's the entire point.

Posted: **Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:28 am**

Neutraligon wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:No, I'm saying that being racist doesn't magically make your rights as a citizen or a cop, void.

And you aren't saying he is racist.

We don't know.

Posted: **Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:28 am**

Mavorpen wrote:
Calisu wrote:It should. If you murder someone based on their skin colour you don't deserve the same rights and freedoms as the rest of us.

See, that's the thing. Being a racist also doesn't mean that he murdered the guy because of his skin color. That's the entire point.

Provide proof he didn't murder Brown

Posted: **Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:28 am**

Calisu wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:No, I'm saying that being racist doesn't magically make your rights as a citizen or a cop, void.

It should. If you murder someone based on their skin colour you don't deserve the same rights and freedoms as the rest of us.

First prove he murdered someone. Second prove he did so based on that person's skin color. Third explain exactly what rights and freedoms should be removed for said act and explain why.

Posted: **Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:28 am**

Big Jim P wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:I don't find it suspicious per say. I see it as more of the police force fucking up once again and not being good at organizing and distributing information in coherent manners. I mean, the QuikTrip video thing was just embarrassing.

I will have to review the vid.

The timing of the reports could be incompetence/ a mistake, or it could be an attempted cover-up. Again, we do not have enough information.

Personally I'm significantly more interested in the FBI investigation at this point.

Posted: **Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:29 am**

Calisu wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:See, that's the thing. Being a racist also doesn't mean that he murdered the guy because of his skin color. That's the entire point.

Provide proof he didn't murder Brown

I.... I'm not even arguing that he didn't murder Brown.

Posted: **Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:29 am**

Calisu wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:No, I'm saying that being racist doesn't magically make your rights as a citizen or a cop, void.

It should. If you murder someone based on their skin colour you don't deserve the same rights and freedoms as the rest of us.

If you murder period you do not deserve the same rights, That is why we have courts to determine if it was murder, and why we incarcerate (thus depriving the guilty of their rights) the guilty.

Posted: **Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:29 am**

Mavorpen wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
I will have to review the vid.

The timing of the reports could be incompetence/ a mistake, or it could be an attempted cover-up. Again, we do not have enough information.

Personally I'm significantly more interested in the FBI investigation at this point.

It is a dangerous thing for a police department to lose the trust of the public. They will have to work very hard to regain it.

Posted: **Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:29 am**

Calisu wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:See, that's the thing. Being a racist also doesn't mean that he murdered the guy because of his skin color. That's the entire point.

Provide proof he didn't murder Brown

That's not how it works. "Presumed innocent until proven guilty" is how trials work.

Posted: **Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:30 am**

Mavorpen wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
I will have to review the vid.

The timing of the reports could be incompetence/ a mistake, or it could be an attempted cover-up. Again, we do not have enough information.

Personally I'm significantly more interested in the FBI investigation at this point.

The further the investigation can be removed for suspicion of bias, the better. Agreed.

Posted: **Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:30 am**

Neutraligon wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Personally I'm significantly more interested in the FBI investigation at this point.

It is a dangerous thing for a police department to lose the trust of the public. They will have to work very hard to regain it.

Thing is though, they seem to have lost that trust a long time ago, and this event is the one that broke the camels back and made the community's collective anger and frustration be released at once.

Posted: **Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:31 am**

Neutraligon wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Personally I'm significantly more interested in the FBI investigation at this point.

It is a dangerous thing for a police department to lose the trust of the public. They will have to work very hard to regain it.

Getting dashboard cameras installed would help.

Posted: **Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:31 am**

Big Jim P wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Personally I'm significantly more interested in the FBI investigation at this point.

The further the investigation can be removed for suspicion of bias, the better. Agreed.

Stop agreeing, we're going to break space-time.

Posted: **Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:31 am**

Neutraligon wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Personally I'm significantly more interested in the FBI investigation at this point.

It is a dangerous thing for a police department to lose the trust of the public. They will have to work very hard to regain it.

If they ever can regain it, or had it in the first place.

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