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Maurepas wrote:

Sibirsky wrote:I prefer competition. If Goldman Sachs is afraid that Morgan Stanley will come out with new, and better financial products, they will strive to do the same.

Yeah, the trick with that though is, if both of those guys are in it together, or one is bigger than the other and buys it out, also known as creating a monopoly, heh, it's that sort of thing that needs to be prevented.

There are many others.

The Laborcratic Union wrote:

Sibirsky wrote:No, we do not.

A mass transport system is inconvenient in certain cases. It will not go directly from my house, to my sister's house, to my grandmother's house, and then to my parents' house. It will not play the music I want.

No, it wouldn't go directly to your sisters house. It would go near it, and then you could walk. It can't be that hard, can it?

I am going to my sisters house with a bunch of presents for her birthday. You going to carry them? You going to sit in some packed train with all of them? Cars are very convenient.

Sibirsky wrote:

Maurepas wrote:Yeah, the trick with that though is, if both of those guys are in it together, or one is bigger than the other and buys it out, also known as creating a monopoly, heh, it's that sort of thing that needs to be prevented.

There are many others.

Yeah, there's many other grocery stores too, but there's no question which one controls the market: Walmart.

Sibirsky wrote:

The Laborcratic Union wrote:
No, it wouldn't go directly to your sisters house. It would go near it, and then you could walk. It can't be that hard, can it?

I am going to my sisters house with a bunch of presents for her birthday. You going to carry them? You going to sit in some packed train with all of them? Cars are very convenient.

Yes, but for people who, for whatever reason, do not drive, public transportation is very useful.

I'd say Norway has a good economy, they have good income equality - good welfare system. I personally like a mixed economy, with some socialist leanings. Basically centre-left.

Caelestius wrote:

Lackadaisical2 wrote:Our economy is still better than Germany's, imo. We just have shitty employment numbers.

When you say "we", I assume you mean the U.S.

I agree that U.S. has a better economy, we are the number one wealthiest country in the world so we must be doing something right.

Isn't it the UAE now?

Sibirsky wrote:

The Laborcratic Union wrote:
No, it wouldn't go directly to your sisters house. It would go near it, and then you could walk. It can't be that hard, can it?

I am going to my sisters house with a bunch of presents for her birthday. You going to carry them? You going to sit in some packed train with all of them? Cars are very convenient.

Use bags and a backbag to carry them? And yes, cars are convenient, but they are costly too. And besides, i am fairly sure that the people who want a car already have one, and there plenty of more for the people who yet do not, so even if we halted the production of cars completely, the cars we already have wouldn't go anywhere.

Concordeia wrote:

Sibirsky wrote:I am going to my sisters house with a bunch of presents for her birthday. You going to carry them? You going to sit in some packed train with all of them? Cars are very convenient.

Yes, but for people who, for whatever reason, do not drive, public transportation is very useful.

You see me advocating against public transportation?

People, people, people! I am Socialist and I am sick of Commie-Capi wars and threads! Why don't we attack the real enemy here, FASCISM!!! <_<

Maurepas wrote:

Sibirsky wrote:There are many others.

Yeah, there's many other grocery stores too, but there's no question which one controls the market: Walmart.

Not really. There are 2 Wal-Marts within an hour from me. Tens of grocery stores.

Sibirsky wrote:

Concordeia wrote:
Yes, but for people who, for whatever reason, do not drive, public transportation is very useful.

You see me advocating against public transportation?

Sibersky, you seem to advocate against public everything, except maybe defense and law enforcement.

Cerod wrote:People, people, people! I am Socialist and I am sick of Commie-Capi wars and threads! Why don't we attack the real enemy here, FASCISM!!! <_<

Fascism's basically dead though.

The Laborcratic Union wrote:

Sibirsky wrote:I am going to my sisters house with a bunch of presents for her birthday. You going to carry them? You going to sit in some packed train with all of them? Cars are very convenient.

Use bags and a backbag to carry them? And yes, cars are convenient, but they are costly too. And besides, i am fairly sure that the people who want a car already have one, and there plenty of more for the people who yet do not, so even if we halted the production of cars completely, the cars we already have wouldn't go anywhere.

A backpack? So you consider me some cheapskate? Imagine lots of bags.

Cars get old, and need replacing. If we halted the production of cars completely, used car prices would be far higher, causing problems for those that need a car, and are not as well of financially.

Maurepas wrote:

Sibirsky wrote:There are many others.

Yeah, there's many other grocery stores too, but there's no question which one controls the market: Walmart.

Even if Wal-Mart is a monopoly (for now lets assume it is regardless of the facts because I don't want to look shit up), so what? Monopolies aren't inherently bad.

Cerod wrote:People, people, people! I am Socialist and I am sick of Commie-Capi wars and threads! Why don't we attack the real enemy here, FASCISM!!! <_<

I won't argue with that.

Concordeia wrote:

Sibirsky wrote:You see me advocating against public transportation?

Sibersky, you seem to advocate against public everything, except maybe defense and law enforcement.

If the transportation system is funded by selling tickets to ride and not taxpayer funds, I have no issues with it.

Sibirsky wrote:

Maurepas wrote:Yeah, there's many other grocery stores too, but there's no question which one controls the market: Walmart.

Not really. There are 2 Wal-Marts within an hour from me. Tens of grocery stores.

There's 4 within an hour of me, but that's not the point. How many of those grocery stores rival Walmart in numbers, profit, and global coverage? My point is that Walmart is large enough that it can influence the price, and quality of the goods it sells. It is of a size that if it fell thousands of people would be unemployed. It's anti-competition, when a business gets to be that size, it needs to fear anti-trust suits, and occasionally have one brought against it and have itself broken up. When something gets to be that size, it is anti-Capitalist, anti-free trade, which is why one needs a properly run mixed economy to keep them from getting to be that size.

Georgism wrote:

Cerod wrote:People, people, people! I am Socialist and I am sick of Commie-Capi wars and threads! Why don't we attack the real enemy here, FASCISM!!! <_<

Fascism's basically dead though.

Oh yeah, Well! I obviously didn't think that statement through *facepalm*

Georgism wrote:

Cerod wrote:People, people, people! I am Socialist and I am sick of Commie-Capi wars and threads! Why don't we attack the real enemy here, FASCISM!!! <_<

Fascism's basically dead though.

Good. Now we need to move on to killing socialism.

Sibirsky wrote:

Georgism wrote:Fascism's basically dead though.

Good. Now we need to move on to killing socialism.

If you end Hyper-capitalism, it will make the job easier.....

Maurepas wrote:

Sibirsky wrote:Not really. There are 2 Wal-Marts within an hour from me. Tens of grocery stores.

There's 4 within an hour of me, but that's not the point. How many of those grocery stores rival Walmart in numbers, profit, and global coverage? My point is that Walmart is large enough that it can influence the price, and quality of the goods it sells. It is of a size that if it fell thousands of people would be unemployed. It's anti-competition, when a business gets to be that size, it needs to fear anti-trust suits, and occasionally have one brought against it and have itself broken up. When something gets to be that size, it is anti-Capitalist, anti-free trade, which is why one needs a properly run mixed economy to keep them from getting to be that size.

It got to be that big because it sells cheap stuff. I don't see a problem. If it fails, someone will take it's place.

Sibirsky wrote:

The Laborcratic Union wrote:
Use bags and a backbag to carry them? And yes, cars are convenient, but they are costly too. And besides, i am fairly sure that the people who want a car already have one, and there plenty of more for the people who yet do not, so even if we halted the production of cars completely, the cars we already have wouldn't go anywhere.

A backpack? So you consider me some cheapskate? Imagine lots of bags.

Cars get old, and need replacing. If we halted the production of cars completely, used car prices would be far higher, causing problems for those that need a car, and are not as well of financially.

...Or you could ask a friend or someone you know to help you carry the presents with you.

And by the time all cars run out, we would have already learned to live without them.

Sibirsky wrote:Good. Now we need to move on to killing socialism.

Depends how you mean it really, I mean I like some parts of it (public education, the NHS, to name two examples).

Other parts, I can entirely agree with you on.

Sibirsky wrote:

Maurepas wrote:There's 4 within an hour of me, but that's not the point. How many of those grocery stores rival Walmart in numbers, profit, and global coverage? My point is that Walmart is large enough that it can influence the price, and quality of the goods it sells. It is of a size that if it fell thousands of people would be unemployed. It's anti-competition, when a business gets to be that size, it needs to fear anti-trust suits, and occasionally have one brought against it and have itself broken up. When something gets to be that size, it is anti-Capitalist, anti-free trade, which is why one needs a properly run mixed economy to keep them from getting to be that size.

It got to be that big because it sells cheap stuff. I don't see a problem. If it fails, someone will take it's place.

It sells cheap stuff that puts people outta work, that prevents other stores from competing with it on an equal footing, what I'm saying is that it has gotten to a size where it can't fail.

The Laborcratic Union wrote:

Sibirsky wrote:A backpack? So you consider me some cheapskate? Imagine lots of bags.

Cars get old, and need replacing. If we halted the production of cars completely, used car prices would be far higher, causing problems for those that need a car, and are not as well of financially.

...Or you could ask a friend or someone you know to help you carry the presents with you.

And by the time all cars run out, we would have already learned to live without them.

Cars break down, and change their style, and bring out more innovative features.

You want someone who is not invited to my sisters house, to travel by bus or train with a bunch of bags and then go home? What is your issue with cars? Cars continue to be produced because people continue to buy them. If you stop production, there will be problems within months.