Highschool band performs offensive halftime show

[Des-Bal]

So the way this should go is "oh that seems a bit tasteless because of recent events, oh well."

I think the problem is that we've been taught that we are entitled to have something bad happen when we're upset.

[Heloin]

So what is the evidence this was done specifically to offend?

There is none. Just a very bleak coincidence.

[Twilight Imperium]

Because they have eyes? It made the news.

I barely check the news as an *adult*. I doubt any teen would be inclined to on the off-chance that their show might offend someone.

Because all teenagers are lazy and don't pay attention to the world around them, especially not the ones who sign up to march down the street carrying forty pounds of brass.

[Lord Dominator]

I barely check the news as an *adult*. I doubt any teen would be inclined to on the off-chance that their show might offend someone.

Because all teenagers are lazy and don't pay attention to the world around them, especially not the ones who sign up to march down the street carrying forty pounds of brass.

How exactly does marching band correlate to watching the news? They're not even in the same area of interest

[Jebslund]

I barely check the news as an *adult*. I doubt any teen would be inclined to on the off-chance that their show might offend someone.

Because all teenagers are lazy and don't pay attention to the world around them, especially not the ones who sign up to march down the street carrying forty pounds of brass. :eyebrow:

I said nothing about laziness or lack of attention. I just have yet to meet a teen who actively watches the news for the simple reason that what makes the news in a town they don't live in has little impact on their life. Most teens do not devote attention to things they do not see value in, and scouring the news every day on the off-chance of offending someone is simply not something most teens would see value in, especially when they get up early enough for school as it is and have homework, practice, and possibly jobs competing for their attention and, more importantly, time. Teens have less time than the adults around them seem to think, and they use that time in accordance with perceived importance. The news, at that age, is simply not typically one of those things. When you were a teen, how often did you crack open a newspaper or check the news on the telly?

[Helenija]

I barely check the news as an *adult*. I doubt any teen would be inclined to on the off-chance that their show might offend someone.

Because all teenagers are lazy and don't pay attention to the world around them, especially not the ones who sign up to march down the street carrying forty pounds of brass.

I'm a teenager, i have a 8AM-5PM Monday-Saturday job and read the paper every day as well as watch the news.

[Jebslund]

Because all teenagers are lazy and don't pay attention to the world around them, especially not the ones who sign up to march down the street carrying forty pounds of brass. :eyebrow:

I'm a teenager, i have a 8AM-5PM Monday-Saturday job and read the paper every day as well as watch the news.

You're the first I've met.

[Helenija]

I'm a teenager, i have a 8AM-5PM Monday-Saturday job and read the paper every day as well as watch the news.

You're the first I've met.

Its not the first adult i've met who dismisses all teenagers as being lazy, ill-informed and such.

Though obviously i see why older people say that, and they aren't without reason. I am an anomaly.

[Jebslund]

You're the first I've met.

Its not the first adult i've met who dismisses all teenagers as being lazy, ill-informed and such.

Though obviously i see why older people say that, and they aren't without reason. I am an anomaly.

That comment you were replying to was a sarcastic mockery of my comment about doubting any teen would check the news on the off-chance that they might offend someone. Most wouldn't. Seems some people are incapable of understanding that lack of interest is not the same as laziness.

[Hatterleigh]

Politics have no place in schools? Cool. Get rid of the Pledge then.

The pledge isn't political. If you don't want to do the pledge, you don't have to.

[Jebslund]

Politics have no place in schools? Cool. Get rid of the Pledge then.

The pledge isn't political. If you don't want to do the pledge, you don't have to.

In theory. In practice, schools are very authoritarian and do not allow students to not do it. You recall there was a national controversy regarding the pledge a decade-ish back?

Regardless, the very fact that it is part of school routine at all means it is, in fact, political. Having the "option" to not participate does not negate the reason it was instituted in the first place. A daily pledge of fealty, particularly one altered to spite an enemy, cannot possibly be anything *except* political.

[The Liberated Territories]

Having a badge does not prevent you from being ridiculed.

[Helenija]

The pledge isn't political. If you don't want to do the pledge, you don't have to.

In theory. In practice, schools are very authoritarian and do not allow students to not do it. You recall there was a national controversy regarding the pledge a decade-ish back?

Regardless, the very fact that it is part of school routine at all means it is, in fact, political. Having the "option" to not participate does not negate the reason it was instituted in the first place. A daily pledge of fealty, particularly one altered to spite an enemy, cannot possibly be anything *except* political.

So how do the school faculty force a student to make the pledge?

[Jebslund]

In theory. In practice, schools are very authoritarian and do not allow students to not do it. You recall there was a national controversy regarding the pledge a decade-ish back?

Regardless, the very fact that it is part of school routine at all means it is, in fact, political. Having the "option" to not participate does not negate the reason it was instituted in the first place. A daily pledge of fealty, particularly one altered to spite an enemy, cannot possibly be anything *except* political.

So how do the school faculty force a student to make the pledge?

By making not saying it as unpalatable as possible. Use of a weapon or main force are not the only means to force someone one has authority over to do something.

[Helenija]

So how do the school faculty force a student to make the pledge?

By making not saying it as unpalatable as possible. Use of a weapon or main force are not the only means to force someone one has authority over to do something.

Yeah, ok.

But what actions do they actually take in order to force a student to make the pledge?

[Kaggeceria]

They were playing against Brookhaven High School. Brookhaven being where the shootings too place.

And why would they know the shootings had ever occurred?

Because they can read the news same as anybody else and because they were literally playing against the town where it occurred.

I mean, sure. If they're a team of idiots maybe they wouldn't know it happened.

[Ifreann]

And why would they know the shootings had ever occurred?

Because they can read the news same as anybody else and because they were literally playing against the town where it occurred.

I mean, sure. If they're a team of idiots maybe they wouldn't know it happened.

Is it normal in America for people to check the local news of a place before travelling there? I suppose this would have to be a pretty new practice, local news wouldn't really have travelled far beyond the locality in the pre-internet era.

[Sovaal]

It seems the world gets more and more stupid every day.

As for high school many students will already be set in their beliefs.

[Vassenor]

By making not saying it as unpalatable as possible. Use of a weapon or main force are not the only means to force someone one has authority over to do something.

Yeah, ok.

But what actions do they actually take in order to force a student to make the pledge?

Well last year a child in Texas was expelled for not standing during the pledge.

[Jebslund]

By making not saying it as unpalatable as possible. Use of a weapon or main force are not the only means to force someone one has authority over to do something.

Yeah, ok.

But what actions do they actually take in order to force a student to make the pledge?

Detention, restriction of privileges, denial of credit for participation, use your fucking imagination. Were you never in school that I have to spell out everything the school can do?

[Twilight Imperium]

Its not the first adult i've met who dismisses all teenagers as being lazy, ill-informed and such.

Though obviously i see why older people say that, and they aren't without reason. I am an anomaly.

That comment you were replying to was a sarcastic mockery of my comment about doubting any teen would check the news on the off-chance that they might offend someone. Most wouldn't. Seems some people are incapable of understanding that lack of interest is not the same as laziness.

I actually agree it's unlikely they would have seen it, I just thought your reasoning for it was weirdly dismissive.

[Helenija]

Yeah, ok.

But what actions do they actually take in order to force a student to make the pledge?

Detention, restriction of privileges, denial of credit for participation, use your fucking imagination. Were you never in school that I have to spell out everything the school can do?

I wasn't in a school where we had to swear allegiance to the United States.

[Sovaal]

I barely check the news as an *adult*. I doubt any teen would be inclined to on the off-chance that their show might offend someone.

Because all teenagers are lazy and don't pay attention to the world around them, especially not the ones who sign up to march down the street carrying forty pounds of brass.

Just because they take part in marching band doesn't mean they are any more or less driven about anything that isn't marching band.

[Jebslund]

Detention, restriction of privileges, denial of credit for participation, use your fucking imagination. Were you never in school that I have to spell out everything the school can do?

I wasn't in a school where we had to swear allegiance to the United States.

And I suppose said school had no means to keep students in line or people willing to abuse said mechanisms?

I am not stupid enough to presume schools in other countries pledge allegiance to the US, but I presume the two fundamental aspects of human society, desire to maintain order/conformity and the corruption power functionally nigh-inevitably brings, are present in other countries as well?

[Imperializt Russia]

By making not saying it as unpalatable as possible. Use of a weapon or main force are not the only means to force someone one has authority over to do something.

Yeah, ok.

But what actions do they actually take in order to force a student to make the pledge?

In the sense that they cannot literally force your vocal chords to vibrate in a manner such as to suitably approximate the lyrics of the pledge, no, they do not "force you to make the pledge".
They coerce you, to make you decide to make the pledge.

Constant disciplinary action. No pledge? Detention forever until you do. Send them home. Any of a million punishments.