Chelsea Manning Released from prison

[Alvecia]

And she already served her sentence and has been released. So she's gotten her punishment for her just and morally upstanding act, and now she is legally free to go and do whatever she wants as a free American.

"Just and morally act". The release of classified information that includes names and home state addresses of service members. Wohoo.

I mean, not being funny, but you can find most people's home addresses on their social media, or in the phone book.

[Uxupox]

"Reckless wannabe heroes" and treason individuals are synonymous and should be considered as such.

Soldier A is a deep cover ISIS spy who reveals troop locations, family trees and locations, codes, passwords, technical details of fighters, nuclear blueprints, the locations of nuclear devices, and all manner of other information, directly to ISIS and attempts to hide their activities from the government to as to keep doing them long term.

Soldier B screams and hollers about war crimes and government spying, in public, and throws down a sack full of documents related to them, and some of those documents may also contain information we don't want people knowing.

You line them up and say you see no difference.
Okay.

If you wish to tell us all you see no difference between the two, that you think their actions and mindsets are equally culpable, that's your business. I'd say it simply means you have shown you can't be trusted with classified information.

Meanwhile, the rest of us will be trying to differentiate between things and come to a rough consensus on how much punishment each actually warrants.

It's the same shit because at the end innocent service-member who are doing their duty are getting betrayed by a comrade of their own. The epitome of blue falconry.

[Nulla Bellum]

I predict she'll shoot herself in the back of her head with her arms tied.

[Charnea]

Oh, I assume you are pro kid murder then?
I assume you support killing first responders? Because that's the shit she was leaking. If you're against the leaks, then can I assume you approve of killing civilians?

Its either that or you haven't put any thought into your argument.

Don't put words I haven't spoken into my mouth. Assuming is bad distinction from reality.

I'm against any leak whatsoever which endangers our servicemen. Simple as that. If she actually exposed criminal behavior by the United States while at the same time NOT exposing our own then yea I would backed up completely 100 %. But she fucked up and released information that shouldn't have and endangered the lives of many.

So its the second one then. No thought in your argument. Cool, thanks for clearing that up.

Oh, I assume you are pro kid murder then?
I assume you support killing first responders? Because that's the shit she was leaking. If you're against the leaks, then can I assume you approve of killing civilians?

Its either that or you haven't put any thought into your argument.

What the fuck does any of that have to do with anything?

Uh, highlighting what was actually in the leak? Arguing that if you are against the Manning leaks you either don't care about the atrocities against civilians that were revealed, or you just didn't think about it? I'd say its pretty relevant.

[Uxupox]

"Just and morally act". The release of classified information that includes names and home state addresses of service members. Wohoo.

I mean, not being funny, but you can find most people's home addresses on their social media, or in the phone book.

Unit classification and whereabouts of their soldiers is confidential information and not available to the public. Unless the unit itself is conducting a photo operation.

[Ostroeuropa]

Soldier A is a deep cover ISIS spy who reveals troop locations, family trees and locations, codes, passwords, technical details of fighters, nuclear blueprints, the locations of nuclear devices, and all manner of other information, directly to ISIS and attempts to hide their activities from the government to as to keep doing them long term.

Soldier B screams and hollers about war crimes and government spying, in public, and throws down a sack full of documents related to them, and some of those documents may also contain information we don't want people knowing.

You line them up and say you see no difference.
Okay.

If you wish to tell us all you see no difference between the two, that you think their actions and mindsets are equally culpable, that's your business. I'd say it simply means you have shown you can't be trusted with classified information.

Meanwhile, the rest of us will be trying to differentiate between things and come to a rough consensus on how much punishment each actually warrants.

It's the same shit because at the end innocent service-member who are doing their duty are getting betrayed by a comrade of their own. The epitome of blue falconry.

Do you know the difference between manslaughter and murder, or more relevant;
Do you agree there is a difference, and why are you acting like there isn't?

[Imperializt Russia]

Soldier A is a deep cover ISIS spy who reveals troop locations, family trees and locations, codes, passwords, technical details of fighters, nuclear blueprints, the locations of nuclear devices, and all manner of other information, directly to ISIS and attempts to hide their activities from the government to as to keep doing them long term.

Soldier B screams and hollers about war crimes and government spying, in public, and throws down a sack full of documents related to them, and some of those documents may also contain information we don't want people knowing.

You line them up and say you see no difference.
Okay.

If you wish to tell us all you see no difference between the two, that you think their actions and mindsets are equally culpable, that's your business. I'd say it simply means you have shown you can't be trusted with classified information.

Meanwhile, the rest of us will be trying to differentiate between things and come to a rough consensus on how much punishment each actually warrants.

It's the same shit because at the end innocent service-member who are doing their duty are getting betrayed by a comrade of their own. The epitome of blue falconry.

Didn't the intent behind an act used to matter?

[Uxupox]

Don't put words I haven't spoken into my mouth. Assuming is bad distinction from reality.

I'm against any leak whatsoever which endangers our servicemen. Simple as that. If she actually exposed criminal behavior by the United States while at the same time NOT exposing our own then yea I would backed up completely 100 %. But she fucked up and released information that shouldn't have and endangered the lives of many.

So its the second one then. No thought in your argument. Cool, thanks for clearing that up.

What the fuck does any of that have to do with anything?

Uh, highlighting what was actually in the leak? Arguing that if you are against the Manning leaks you either don't care about the atrocities against civilians that were revealed, or you just didn't think about it? I'd say its pretty relevant.

Nice that you don't care that servicemen can get hurt because she fucked up. Very nice. Manning approves.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Jailtime is equally about punishment as much as it is about protection.

That's even more stupid. Punish someone by imprisoning them for the rest of their life because they physically can't commit the same crime again? Fucking why?

Because what they did was wrong and they deserve punishment for it.

[Ostroeuropa]

So its the second one then. No thought in your argument. Cool, thanks for clearing that up.


Uh, highlighting what was actually in the leak? Arguing that if you are against the Manning leaks you either don't care about the atrocities against civilians that were revealed, or you just didn't think about it? I'd say its pretty relevant.

Nice that you don't care that servicemen can get hurt because she fucked up. Very nice. Manning approves.

So you accept she fucked up rather than deliberately set out to injure soldiers.
Why shouldn't that be reflected in the sentence?

[Charnea]

Nice that you don't care that servicemen can get hurt because she fucked up. Very nice. Manning approves.

Not to be heartless, but if servicemen are killing innocent children and calling them "fun sized terrorists", killing first responders, killing all kinds of innocent civilians with wild abandon, not a care in the world, then no. I'm not entirely concerned for their welfare.

[Uxupox]

It's the same shit because at the end innocent service-member who are doing their duty are getting betrayed by a comrade of their own. The epitome of blue falconry.

Didn't the intent behind an act used to matter?

Not within UCMJ as there is information based upon the Yamashita doctrine.

[Uxupox]

Nice that you don't care that servicemen can get hurt because she fucked up. Very nice. Manning approves.

Not to be heartless, but if servicemen are killing innocent children and calling them "fun sized terrorists", killing firest responders, killing all kinds of innocent civilians with wild abandon, not a care in the world, then no. I'm not entirely concerned for their welfare.[/quote]

Definitely my sergeant in Tennessee is killing kids. He probably eats them too.

[The Grande Republic 0f Arcadia]

She should have life in prison for treason

[Ifreann]

That's even more stupid. Punish someone by imprisoning them for the rest of their life because they physically can't commit the same crime again? Fucking why?

Because what they did was wrong and they deserve punishment for it.

But why should they be punished more based on the fact that they cannot commit the crime again? That makes no sense.

[Thermodolia]

Don't put words I haven't spoken into my mouth. Assuming is bad distinction from reality.

I'm against any leak whatsoever which endangers our servicemen. Simple as that. If she actually exposed criminal behavior by the United States while at the same time NOT exposing our own then yea I would backed up completely 100 %. But she fucked up and released information that shouldn't have and endangered the lives of many.

So its the second one then. No thought in your argument. Cool, thanks for clearing that up.

What the fuck does any of that have to do with anything?

Uh, highlighting what was actually in the leak? Arguing that if you are against the Manning leaks you either don't care about the atrocities against civilians that were revealed, or you just didn't think about it? I'd say its pretty relevant.

Wow. That's some really bad debating.

[Uxupox]

Nice that you don't care that servicemen can get hurt because she fucked up. Very nice. Manning approves.

So you accept she fucked up rather than deliberately set out to injure soldiers.
Why shouldn't that be reflected in the sentence?

Because she released information that could have or has hurt other servicemen efforts in both the Middle East and back at home.

[Charnea]

Definitely my sergeant in Tennessee is killing kids. He probably eats them too.

Did you sergeant in Tennessee get his info leaked by Manning? No? Well, thank for the irrelevant information.

The people who were involved in the activities that Manning leaked about, the people who's info got leaked, literally committed war crimes. Manning should not be punished for accidentally putting them in danger.

[Uxupox]

Definitely my sergeant in Tennessee is killing kids. He probably eats them too.

Did you sergeant in Tennessee get his info leaked by Manning? No? Well, thank for the irrelevant information.

The people who were involved in the activities that Manning leaked about, the people who's info got leaked, literally committed war crimes. Manning should not be punished for accidentally putting them in danger.

Bullshit.

[Charnea]

Wow. That's some really bad debating.

Whatever you say bro. Thanks for your opinion.

[Ostroeuropa]

So you accept she fucked up rather than deliberately set out to injure soldiers.
Why shouldn't that be reflected in the sentence?

Because she released information that could have or has hurt other servicemen efforts in both the Middle East and back at home.

Are you opposed to distinctions between manslaughter and murder?

[United Muscovite Nations]

Because what they did was wrong and they deserve punishment for it.

But why should they be punished more based on the fact that they cannot commit the crime again? That makes no sense.

I never said they should, I said their punishment should continue regardless of whether they can commit the crime again.

[Thermodolia]

Nice that you don't care that servicemen can get hurt because she fucked up. Very nice. Manning approves.

Not to be heartless, but if servicemen are killing innocent children and calling them "fun sized terrorists", killing first responders, killing all kinds of innocent civilians with wild abandon, not a care in the world, then no. I'm not entirely concerned for their welfare.

Ya where done here. You have proven that you don't want to debate but throw hate on US Servicemembers

[Risottia]

POTUS can declassify anything at anytime, so he can tell anyone whatever he wants and be on the right side of the law. Even if it's stupid.

He didn't declassify anything though.

Him disseminating classified material to a person it is not supposed to be disseminated does not constitute "declassification", especially when the information remains classified to a level "too sensitive" to even share to NATO allies, let alone the god damn Russians.

Basically this.

[Charnea]

Did you sergeant in Tennessee get his info leaked by Manning? No? Well, thank for the irrelevant information.

The people who were involved in the activities that Manning leaked about, the people who's info got leaked, literally committed war crimes. Manning should not be punished for accidentally putting them in danger.

Bullshit.

So...what? Are you denying the contents of the leaks, or are you saying she actually released the personal information of every US service member in the world? Because both are equally baseless claims.