Fake geek girls-male insecurity or icky fandom ruiners?

[Neo Art]

You know, let's think about that. "KirK" as a character appeared in 80 Original Series episodes, 22 Animated Series Episodes, and 9 of the 12 movies (first 6 was a TOS cast set of movies, Generations was a crossover, and the last 2 are continuity reboots featuring a non Shatner Kirk)

All total, 108 pieces of media.

Star Trek also is composed of 178 episodes of the Next Generation, 172 episodes of Voyager, 176 Deep Space 9, and 98 Enterprise, along with 3 movies that do not feature Kirk.

627 pieces of media

In fact, of all total, of the 726 episodes and 9 movies of star trek, only a total of 108 of them ACTUALLY feature Kirk.

A total of 85% of the television media produced under "star trek" doesn't feature Kirk at all.

Kirk was also in one episode of DS9. FAKE FAN. YOU'RE RUINING THE FANDOM! STOP BEING SUCH A POSER!

You accuse me of not being nerd enough.

I posit that the fact that I indeed remembered Trials and Tribble-ations, but realized that a single episode varient would not statistically skew my math and thus decided that it was sufficiently statistically important to factor into the calculations and laid it as an acceptable addition within the margin of error makes me the TRUE nerd here.

[Lillitania]

As a High School student I see these people, a lot. "Wearing my Spider-Man book bag! L-O-L, I'm such a nerd!" or,

"Oh, hey! You're reading a comic book!? I love those!"

"Cool. What series are you reading?"

"Oh, I just pick them out in shops."

Supposedly, being a nerd is considered 'mainstream'. But real geek culture goes beyond liking something that is associated with nerds. I should say right now that I don't hate these people, I just want this fad to end.

[Ifreann]

One of my "favorite" rants I've seen (on another forum) about this phenomenon was about a female gamer who does videos on Youtube of herself playing games - roughly 90% of the screen is the game, and 10% is her on a webcam talking about the game. The honest-to-god argument someone made for how she is a horrible evil attention whore was "in one of her videos, she is wearing a tank top, and you can see a little bit of her cleavage." That was literally it. That was his entire proof that she was an evil, attention-whoring, "fake geek girl" out to torment men. She was playing a video game while not actively hiding the fact that she had breasts. THAT BITCH.

I remember on NSG, one female game critic came up, and a certain group of people were so doggedly insistant that she couldn't ACTUALLY be a real gamer, constantly upping the anti when presented with real evidence that yes, she's a woman, yes, she plays video games, yes, she then talks about them that in the end they were INSISTING that she actually just rented all those video games, posed for the pictures of her in front of stacks of video games, and then just watched youtube videos about the games that she discusses in thorough detail of her reviews.

People were more willing to believe that this woman had constructed an elaborate ruse, fabricated tons of evidence, and elicited people in this grand conspiracy to trick 13 year old boys that there may be women out there who actually play games. This was, to them, more probable than the idea that someone can play videogames and have tits at the same time.

Surely their tits would get in the way of the controller...

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Kirk was also in one episode of DS9. FAKE FAN. YOU'RE RUINING THE FANDOM! STOP BEING SUCH A POSER!

You accuse me of not being nerd enough.

I posit that the fact that I indeed remembered Trials and Tribble-ations, but realized that a single episode varient would not statistically skew my math and thus decided that it was sufficiently statistically important to factor into the calculations and laid it as an acceptable addition within the margin of error makes me the TRUE nerd here.

You're just pretending to be a nerd to seduce me.

[Nailed to the Perch]

As demonstrated by every single letter of Tony Harris' wanksock caked rant, they seem to think that real are there for their entertainment, they can't understand that maybe she's doing something for her pleasure.

This problem arises when men assume that women only do things to attract the attention of men. Or rather, that this is the only reason that women hang out in spaces that are traditionally full of men.

Yuuuup. This is why I laugh my ass off at the idiots who will claim that sexy female cosplayers are taunting, victimizing, or "preying on" men by being all sexy and yet unavailable to them. It requires incredibly profound narcissism to believe that someone you find attractive is actively trying to attract YOU and is thus somehow being mean or unfair to you when they don't want to take a picture with you or let you grab them or listen to you talk. They simply can't wrap their brains around "I'm dressing up as Emma Frost because I like Emma Frost and I feel awesome dressed as her, not because I desperately want YOU, Mr. Random Male Geek, to stare at my tits."

[Dakini]

All the girls who claim to be geeks always call me a gay nerd because I'm smart. lol irony

I totally believe you.



FYI: anecdotes are not evidence.

[Neo Art]

As a High School student

There's your problem right there. "highschool" is not reflective of broader social norms.

[Ifreann]

As a High School student I see these people, a lot. "Wearing my Spider-Man book bag! L-O-L, I'm such a nerd!" or,

"Oh, hey! You're reading a comic book!? I love those!"

"Cool. What series are you reading?"

"Oh, I just pick them out in shops."

Yeah man, those fucking casuals are disgusting. Where do they get off thinking they can read comic books in isolation instead of buying the entire series? There ought to be a law against liking things less than I do.

[Neo Art]

This problem arises when men assume that women only do things to attract the attention of men. Or rather, that this is the only reason that women hang out in spaces that are traditionally full of men.

Yuuuup. This is why I laugh my ass off at the idiots who will claim that sexy female cosplayers are taunting, victimizing, or "preying on" men by being all sexy and yet unavailable to them. It requires incredibly profound narcissism to believe that someone you find attractive is actively trying to attract YOU and is thus somehow being mean or unfair to you when they don't want to take a picture with you or let you grab them or listen to you talk. They simply can't wrap their brains around "I'm dressing up as Emma Frost because I like Emma Frost and I feel awesome dressed as her, not because I desperately want YOU, Mr. Random Male Geek, to stare at my tits."

Or, ya know, maybe she IS trying tantalize and tease and turn on someone. Just not, you know...you.

[Lillitania]

As a High School student

There's your problem right there. "highschool" is not reflective of broader social norms.

So you're saying I cannot share my experiences because I'm in high school? I've never heard of a grown woman in her 30's jumping on the fake-nerd bandwagon. In fact, the most I hear about is teenage girls.

[Dakini]

This problem arises when men assume that women only do things to attract the attention of men. Or rather, that this is the only reason that women hang out in spaces that are traditionally full of men.

Yuuuup. This is why I laugh my ass off at the idiots who will claim that sexy female cosplayers are taunting, victimizing, or "preying on" men by being all sexy and yet unavailable to them. It requires incredibly profound narcissism to believe that someone you find attractive is actively trying to attract YOU and is thus somehow being mean or unfair to you when they don't want to take a picture with you or let you grab them or listen to you talk. They simply can't wrap their brains around "I'm dressing up as Emma Frost because I like Emma Frost and I feel awesome dressed as her, not because I desperately want YOU, Mr. Random Male Geek, to stare at my tits."

It's also funny because these are often the same people who will go on at length about how there's nothing wrong with comic book characters being drawn wearing next-to-nothing. About how these characters choose to wear these things and about how it makes sense for their personalities (even in cases where it really doesn't).

The second a woman dresses in one of these outfits, however, she's only doing it for male attention. She couldn't possibly like the character's personality or think that the character is awesome.

[Trotskylvania]

This problem arises when men assume that women only do things to attract the attention of men. Or rather, that this is the only reason that women hang out in spaces that are traditionally full of men.

Yuuuup. This is why I laugh my ass off at the idiots who will claim that sexy female cosplayers are taunting, victimizing, or "preying on" men by being all sexy and yet unavailable to them. It requires incredibly profound narcissism to believe that someone you find attractive is actively trying to attract YOU and is thus somehow being mean or unfair to you when they don't want to take a picture with you or let you grab them or listen to you talk. They simply can't wrap their brains around "I'm dressing up as Emma Frost because I like Emma Frost and I feel awesome dressed as her, not because I desperately want YOU, Mr. Random Male Geek, to stare at my tits."

Rather reminds me of this.

[Lillitania]

Yeah man, those fucking casuals are disgusting. Where do they get off thinking they can read comic books in isolation instead of buying the entire series? There ought to be a law against liking things less than I do.

Not disgusting, just annoying.

[Neo Art]

As a High School student I see these people, a lot. "Wearing my Spider-Man book bag! L-O-L, I'm such a nerd!" or,

"Oh, hey! You're reading a comic book!? I love those!"

"Cool. What series are you reading?"

"Oh, I just pick them out in shops."

Yeah man, those fucking casuals are disgusting. Where do they get off thinking they can read comic books in isolation instead of buying the entire series? There ought to be a law against liking things less than I do.

Spending their fucking money on that. How fucking dare they.

Ya know, honestly, I sorta have the same response to people who endlessly criticize people who read Twighlight or 50 Shades of Gray. Those books are AWFUL, truly AWFUL. And I have no problems criticizing the books, or the authors.

But I'm not quite so egotistical that I have to make myself feel better by acting superior to others due to their personal choices in what they read.

They're shit books, but there's a difference between thinking something's shit, and actively mocking people who read it.

"having opinions on the internet" does not make you King of What I Should Read. You're just not that cool.

[Trotskylvania]

Yuuuup. This is why I laugh my ass off at the idiots who will claim that sexy female cosplayers are taunting, victimizing, or "preying on" men by being all sexy and yet unavailable to them. It requires incredibly profound narcissism to believe that someone you find attractive is actively trying to attract YOU and is thus somehow being mean or unfair to you when they don't want to take a picture with you or let you grab them or listen to you talk. They simply can't wrap their brains around "I'm dressing up as Emma Frost because I like Emma Frost and I feel awesome dressed as her, not because I desperately want YOU, Mr. Random Male Geek, to stare at my tits."

Or, ya know, maybe she IS trying tantalize and tease and turn on someone. Just not, you know...you.

Is look, don't touch, that hard of a concept for some people?

[Dakini]

There's your problem right there. "highschool" is not reflective of broader social norms.

So you're saying I cannot share my experiences because I'm in high school? I've never heard of a grown woman in her 30's jumping on the fake-nerd bandwagon. In fact, the most I hear about is teenage girls.

...

You're in high school. How many women in their 30s do you know, exactly?

Also, considering that the "fake geek/nerd girl" accusation is being leveled at women in their 20s and 30s as well, you're just demonstrating that your experience isn't relevant to most of the conversation.

[Neo Art]

There's your problem right there. "highschool" is not reflective of broader social norms.

So you're saying I cannot share my experiences because I'm in high school? I've never heard of a grown woman in her 30's jumping on the fake-nerd bandwagon. In fact, the most I hear about is teenage girls.

Probably because the only grown women in their 30s you'll find in highschool are your teachers, and they probably don't discuss their personal lives with 14 year old boys.

[Leningrad Union]

All the girls who claim to be geeks always call me a gay nerd because I'm smart. lol irony

I totally believe you.



FYI: anecdotes are not evidence.

There is no evidence, just personal experience.

[Neo Art]

Yeah man, those fucking casuals are disgusting. Where do they get off thinking they can read comic books in isolation instead of buying the entire series? There ought to be a law against liking things less than I do.

Not disgusting, just annoying.

You're annoyed by the decisions people make in their personal lives that don't impact you in any way at all?

Boy are you in for a world of hurt when you get out of gradeshool and out in the real world to discover the universe doesn't revolve around your personal preferences. There's billions and billions of people out there living their lives without giving much of a fuck about how you feel about them.

Better to learn that lesson now.

[Nailed to the Perch]

Yuuuup. This is why I laugh my ass off at the idiots who will claim that sexy female cosplayers are taunting, victimizing, or "preying on" men by being all sexy and yet unavailable to them. It requires incredibly profound narcissism to believe that someone you find attractive is actively trying to attract YOU and is thus somehow being mean or unfair to you when they don't want to take a picture with you or let you grab them or listen to you talk. They simply can't wrap their brains around "I'm dressing up as Emma Frost because I like Emma Frost and I feel awesome dressed as her, not because I desperately want YOU, Mr. Random Male Geek, to stare at my tits."

Rather reminds me of this.

Ha.

(Also, that is some seriously badass cosplay.)

[Tahar Joblis]

Kirk was also in one episode of DS9. FAKE FAN. YOU'RE RUINING THE FANDOM! STOP BEING SUCH A POSER!

You accuse me of not being nerd enough.

I posit that the fact that I indeed remembered Trials and Tribble-ations, but realized that a single episode varient would not statistically skew my math and thus decided that it was sufficiently statistically important to factor into the calculations and laid it as an acceptable addition within the margin of error makes me the TRUE nerd here.

And talks in ENT: "These are the Voyages," and is referenced in, hence "features," in TNG: "The Naked Now," "Unification II,"
"Relics," DS9: "Crossover," VOY: "Flashback" and "Q2."

And then there's the magnitude difference. You're equating movies with television episodes, when the movies are 3-4 times as long as a TV episode. Even the corrected figure of 84% is still a significant misrepresentation.

NEO ART IS A FAKE GEEK GIRL! GET HIM!

... waitaminute ...

NEO ART IS NOT A REAL GEEK AND ALSO NOT A GIRL! GET HIM!

[Trotskylvania]

So you're saying I cannot share my experiences because I'm in high school? I've never heard of a grown woman in her 30's jumping on the fake-nerd bandwagon. In fact, the most I hear about is teenage girls.

Probably because the only grown women in their 30s you'll find in highschool are your teachers, and they probably don't discuss their personal lives with 14 year old boys.

Well, i did have this one high school teacher who was like only eight years older than me. She was my debate coach, brilliant and sexy. And when she wasn't in coach mode she was quite personable. Still haven't settled our argument over which Metallica record is the best.

But I digress...probably not the norm.

[The Merchant Republics]

I've seen it at it's worst.

Essentially I believe it's mostly comprised of jaded "nice guy" geeks who have so internalized the idea that women hate them because they aren't jerky and jocky that the prospect of women being involved in their hobbies becomes perverse to them. So they lash out by calling them posers and whores.

Of course there are truly poser geeks, but that exists no matter the gender. People who claim they love "that Star Wars tv show with Captain Picard" and what not, but a lot of the maligned women are legitimately interested. Besides "poser" is such a ridiculous notion. We all fake it until we make it, on any subject we begin at zero, if they show an interest even if it's just for show, why discourage it?

[Dakini]

Probably because the only grown women in their 30s you'll find in highschool are your teachers, and they probably don't discuss their personal lives with 14 year old boys.

Well, i did have this one high school teacher who was like only eight years older than me. She was my debate coach, brilliant and sexy. And when she wasn't in coach mode she was quite personable. Still haven't settled our argument over which Metallica record is the best.

But I digress...probably not the norm.

My high school had a few younger teachers and you could guess that some of them were kinda nerdy (the young teachers were all recent hires and they were almost all science teachers). They never discussed whether anyone called them fake geeks though. They'd just occasionally make a casual reference to some sort of science fiction and move on with the lesson.

Well, except the one teacher who was in a barbershop quartet. He brought in a tape of his barbershop quartet singing the elements song on some really local talk show, then he performed his part for us live. It was relevant to class though so he could spend some time on it.

[Lillitania]

You're annoyed by the decisions people make in their personal lives that don't impact you in any way at all?

Boy are you in for a world of hurt when you get out of gradeshool and out in the real world to discover the universe doesn't revolve around your personal preferences. There's billions and billions of people out there living their lives without giving much of a fuck about how you feel about them.

Better to learn that lesson now.

I'm well aware that my personal beliefs aren't the most important things in the universe. I don't care if people don't share my ideas, because they don't care about my ideas. But I can still feel however I want, just because someone disagrees with me doesn't mean that I'm wrong or shouldn't feel the way I feel.

And don't give me that "it doesn't impact you in any way at all, so it shouldn't bother you". Like you've never gotten annoyed by something totally meaningless?

[Trotskylvania]

Not disgusting, just annoying.

You're annoyed by the decisions people make in their personal lives that don't impact you in any way at all?

Boy are you in for a world of hurt when you get out of gradeshool and out in the real world to discover the universe doesn't revolve around your personal preferences. There's billions and billions of people out there living their lives without giving much of a fuck about how you feel about them.

Better to learn that lesson now.

Can we take a minute to talk about how stupidly expensive most geek hobbies are?

No one, aside from the trust fund babies and the single nerds with successful careers, can really afford to keep up with an entire comic book series. That shit is expensive. And it gets worse when you realize that you've got to keep a breast of events in other comics, the potential crososvers, etc., to really be following either the DC or Marvel universes.

I work at a multimedia store. I have my regulars who come in just about every week and drop fifty bucks on comics.

And don't get me started on miniature wargames or Magic the Gathering...