2015 UK Politics Megathread

[Val Halla]

Congratulations Labour. You've destroyed Britain's political system. Enjoy perpetual Tory rule and don't blame them when things goes to shit. The one plus is that the Liberal Democrats should make some gains next election.

Huh. It seems like denial, really.

[Imperializt Russia]

For anybody curious, Sky News finally showed the breakdown of voting. I believe registered supporters is the category that contains the £3 voters. Sorry for quality.

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Discounting all registered supporters would have brought him back to 38% though.
What we need is the vote counts on the second and third preference.

[St Wilhelm]

Well atleast that means a few more Conservative Parliments into the future.

It seems to me like people are just saying that despite nothing proving that. Will another Miliband do them any good?

Well, the proof is in the fact that Labour was rejected by the electorate for being too left wing and then decided to be more left wing...

[Apollinis]

Congratulations Labour. You've destroyed Britain's political system.

Left-wing party returns to being left-wing. Unengaged voters and the young are interested and enfranchised.

And this is somehow "destroying Britain's political system".

Enjoy perpetual Tory rule and don't blame them when things goes to shit.

Any evidence for Tory rule being "perpetual", especially after a) the inevitable Europe bitterness and b) having to choose a new leader before 2020?
Also, it is absolutely valid to blame people who make and vote for policies for the negative consequences of those policies.

The one plus is that the Liberal Democrats should make some gains next election.

Debatable.

[The Heart of Hypatia]

Congratulations Labour. You've destroyed Britain's political system. Enjoy perpetual Tory rule and don't blame them when things goes to shit. The one plus is that the Liberal Democrats should make some gains next election.

I have not been a Labour supporter for many years, but how would that be their fault? For having a free and fair leadership election? Why give the Tories the benefit of not being blamed for their own policies, or the electorate for overwhelmingly supporting Jeremy Corbyn?

This is assuming things don't actually turn out really well.

[Val Halla]

It seems to me like people are just saying that despite nothing proving that. Will another Miliband do them any good?

Well, the proof is in the fact that Labour was rejected by the electorate for being too left wing and then decided to be more left wing...

Eh? They lost for being bland and being too much like the Tories.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

For anybody curious, Sky News finally showed the breakdown of voting. I believe registered supporters is the category that contains the £3 voters. Sorry for quality.

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Slightly clearer table here.

http://www.labour.org.uk/blog/entry/res ... p-election

Amongst just the full members Corbyn got 49.6% of the vote in the first round. He'd only have needed 1009 second and third preference votes from Kendall and Cooper/Burnham voters to win.

Add in the affiliated supporters and he'd have had a majority in the first round.

So no matter how you look at this Corbyn won. It won't stop people complaining about the £3 registration, but it will at least make them wrong.

[Eastfield Lodge]

For anybody curious, Sky News finally showed the breakdown of voting. I believe registered supporters is the category that contains the £3 voters. Sorry for quality.

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Removing the registered supporters = 317,066
Corbyn: 162,968 (51.4%)
Burnham: 74,302 (23.4%)
Cooper: 63,513 (20.0%)
Kendall: 16,283 (5.1%)

[United Kingdom of Kent]

Well atleast that means a few more Conservative Parliments into the future.

Not necessarily. Hell, we don't even know if Corbyn will be leader in 5 years' time.

But if Ed Miliband managed to increase Labour's vote-share with a confused, half-arsed message and all the conviction of a slightly damp sponge, why does it follow that a straight-talking, charismatic man with a clear and (for many) inspiring message, who has the unambiguous support of all sections of the party grassroots, will do worse?

If he establishes the policies he's been promoting for the last few years into official party policy I believe he's simply too left wing for most British voters, and even a large majority of his own party. Just look at the labour parties general election results last time they had policies along Corbyns lines.

[St Wilhelm]

Congratulations Labour. You've destroyed Britain's political system. Enjoy perpetual Tory rule and don't blame them when things goes to shit. The one plus is that the Liberal Democrats should make some gains next election.

I honestly don't believe that the Lib Dem come back is certain as people are now making it out to be. Their old heartlands are the South West, and I can not see the northern, christian Tim Farron doing well there.

[St Wilhelm]

Well, the proof is in the fact that Labour was rejected by the electorate for being too left wing and then decided to be more left wing...

Eh? They lost for being bland and being too much like the Tories.

[citation needed]

[Imperializt Russia]

It seems to me like people are just saying that despite nothing proving that. Will another Miliband do them any good?

Well, the proof is in the fact that Labour was rejected by the electorate for being too left wing and then decided to be more left wing...

No it wasn't.

[Val Halla]

Eh? They lost for being bland and being too much like the Tories.

[citation needed]

You made the original claim...

[Imperializt Russia]

Eh? They lost for being bland and being too much like the Tories.

[citation needed]

Said the kettle.

[Apollinis]

Eh? They lost for being bland and being too much like the Tories.

[citation needed]

Going [citation needed] after offering up your own completely unsupported theory is a bit rich, mate.

[Taruda]

What is the Labour Party's job? To defeat the Conservative Party.
Mentioning them is entirely relevant.

No, The Labour party job is to bring social justice, equality and progress in society, protecting minorities. Beating the Torries is less relevant.

[The Heart of Hypatia]

Not necessarily. Hell, we don't even know if Corbyn will be leader in 5 years' time.

But if Ed Miliband managed to increase Labour's vote-share with a confused, half-arsed message and all the conviction of a slightly damp sponge, why does it follow that a straight-talking, charismatic man with a clear and (for many) inspiring message, who has the unambiguous support of all sections of the party grassroots, will do worse?

If he establishes the policies he's been promoting for the last few years into official party policy I believe he's simply too left wing for most British voters, and even a large majority of his own party. Just look at the labour parties general election results last time they had policies along Corbyns lines.

His policies are not even that far left from what I have seen. I am a working class person living in the north west, and I can only speak anecdotally but there are a lot of people around here in favour of things like renationalising the railways and trying an alternative to austerity. All the people I spoke to in the last election decided to abandon the Labour party due to being "Tory-lite" and instead voted for Greens or UKIP depending on who caught their attention the most.

[Imperializt Russia]

Not necessarily. Hell, we don't even know if Corbyn will be leader in 5 years' time.

But if Ed Miliband managed to increase Labour's vote-share with a confused, half-arsed message and all the conviction of a slightly damp sponge, why does it follow that a straight-talking, charismatic man with a clear and (for many) inspiring message, who has the unambiguous support of all sections of the party grassroots, will do worse?

If he establishes the policies he's been promoting for the last few years into official party policy I believe he's simply too left wing for most British voters, and even a large majority of his own party. Just look at the labour parties general election results last time they had policies along Corbyns lines.

He's not too left, because many of his "too left" policies are widely supported.
Where he stands to struggle is his stance on international relations and defence.

[Imperializt Russia]

What is the Labour Party's job? To defeat the Conservative Party.
Mentioning them is entirely relevant.

No, The Labour party job is to bring social justice, equality and progress in society, protecting minorities. Beating the Torries is less relevant.

It can't do those things until and unless it defeats the Tories.
It is wholly relevant and in fact arguably more relevant.

[Apollinis]

He's not too left, because many of his "too left" policies are widely supported.
Where he stands to struggle is his stance on international relations and defence.

This sums up my view on Corbyn (whom I support) pretty much perfectly, really.

[St Wilhelm]

[citation needed]

You made the original claim...

If this isn't Jeremy Corbyn being too left wing for the British electorate, then I don't know what is.

EDIT- Spoiled for size

[Val Halla]

I got an ad for the Guardian saying "News from every side"

[Eastfield Lodge]

You made the original claim...

If this isn't Jeremy Corbyn being too left wing for the British electorate, then I don't know what is.

Your claim was that the Labour Party was too left wing in the election.

[Apollinis]

You made the original claim...

If this isn't Jeremy Corbyn being too left wing for the British electorate, then I don't know what is.

You are aware that Jeremy Corbyn and Jeremy Corbyn's supporters are different things, right?

[Val Halla]

You made the original claim...

If this isn't Jeremy Corbyn being too left wing for the British electorate, then I don't know what is.

What? Make some sense dude.